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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5747233 - 06/13/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

In reality if most people knew how to get 2c-i it would be alot less costly. 10-15 mgs would be less than 5 dollars.
15 mgs is sort of intense in my opinion. Its just such weird stuff that higher doses wouldnt sit well with me, unlike lsd or mushrooms etc...


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: DoorsGirl]
    #5747243 - 06/13/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Dont trust my words, do your own research and dig deep.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Gratos]
    #5747266 - 06/13/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ive read after pickards conviction, he had 2 consecutive life sentences..never knew he "turned to the darkside"


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: DoorsGirl]
    #5747799 - 06/13/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If he was an informant, I suppose the gov. backed out on their end of the deal, eh? Not sure what motivation one would have to inform when one is going to get 2 life sentances.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5748663 - 06/14/06 05:15 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

He turned informant the first time he got busted. The famous bust that people like to speculate wiped out american LSD came later. But yeah, from what I've read, Pickard doesn't sound like the kind of guy that people ought to be idolizing. Wealth being the primary motivation in a person's decision to produce LSD just ends up causing problems.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Entropymancer]
    #5748977 - 06/14/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

While I'm sure he accounted for much of the nation's LSD, people often don't consider that everyone went into hiding after his bust (largely due to the informant fears). Also, I've heard it was feared that ET sources would be busted and so on, down the line.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: DoorsGirl]
    #5749184 - 06/14/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why do people swallow the government's cum from their self-congratulatory reach arounds?

http://www.slate.com/id/2114793/

When and where did the DEA seize the 91 pounds of LSD?

The DoJ/DEA press release attributes the number to U.S. Attorney Eric Melgren, and states that he got them from "court testimony." According to Agent Nichols, the prosecution testified at trial that 41.3 kilograms (approximately 91 pounds) of a substance containing a detectable amount of LSD were found in the silo during the search.

This is a far cry from seizing 91 pounds of LSD—or even detecting 91 pounds of LSD. What the government is really saying is that its forensic chemists detected LSD in samples taken from containers during the search, and that the contents of the containers weighed an estimated 91 pounds. How much LSD did the forensic chemists find? At Pickard's Nov. 20, 2003, sentencing hearing, DEA forensic chemist McKibben testified that "The actual amount of all the exhibits containing LSD was 198.9 grams of LSD," or about 7 ounces of LSD.

Yet the government doesn't seem to have actually seized 198.9 grams of LSD in the bust. From the wording of court documents and correspondence with Agent Nichols, the 198.9 gram figure appears to be a forensic estimate based on the concentrations of LSD found in the samples taken during searches. That is, 91 pounds of LSD-positive material were sampled and, working backward from the concentrations, the DEA calculated an actual 198.9 grams of LSD in the 91-pound lot...

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/12/19/MN150948.DTL

In 1988, Pickard was picked up as he left a Mountain View warehouse used as an LSD lab. He faced 20 years in prison if convicted, but the drug charge was dropped because he had been an informant, the affidavit says.

Pickard himself told the Kansas court he had been a DEA informant since 1973 and had had periodic contact with senior DEA officials on "international cases" since 1992.

If released on bail, Pickard promised, "I would immediately proceed to report to the federal building, (and) cooperate even aggressively with DEA in any matters that they wish."

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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5749193 - 06/14/06 10:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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While I'm sure he accounted for much of the nation's LSD, people often don't consider that everyone went into hiding after his bust (largely due to the informant fears). Also, I've heard it was feared that ET sources would be busted and so on, down the line.




The sources of ET were out of Russia which Pickard probably established during the early/mid 90's when he was a director for School of Public Policy and Social Research at UCLA. He was going to Russia to study the emeregence of new street drugs from the then impoverished chemists.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: DoorsGirl]
    #5749336 - 06/14/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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For awhile I believed LSD to be extinct in my area, until recently a fellow student in one of my classes informed me that he had some acid for sale.. I buy my hash and mescaline through him so i knew i could trust him. I bought 2 hits just to see how good they were. I came home, took both hits, waited....smoked some pot....waited....still waited...and nothing. I was so excited about being able to finally find LSD, to be let down tremendously from its weakness. The conviction of William Leonard Pickard (the man who kept the LSD business in this nation) has left the LSD ring battered and beaten and people like me, who seak enlightenment and thought through this wonderful drug, get affected.





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Re: Bad LSD [Re: RateLimitEnzyme]
    #5749556 - 06/14/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the quality posts.

So, the snitch got snitched on by a new (sex offender) snitch?

Was the ET source compromised then? And, has there been any followup busts because of it?


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5749693 - 06/14/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I was happy that fucker got life, fucking rat. I was pissed that he got busted though at the same time cause LSD practically fell off the map in many areas for years afterwards, its just now starting to make a comeback, and it still isn't even close to were it used to be. From what I've heard, the prices on grams have jumped, a lot, and a lot of LSD is now comming in from different countries. It isn't exactly easy to supply the whole US with LSD, it depends on too few people and it is too easy to disrupt the networks, it isn't like the dead is around anymore to aquire connects. Also, not as many people are going to goto jail for selling it, like they used to. (Up high) I think LSD will most likely start comming back from other countries even more so. The money in making LSD is shit compared to making fentanyl alalogues, and they both carry the same sentence. If you want to make money, LSD isn't the place for chemists, especially skilled chemists. Only time will tell, but for constant updates on what is going on around the US, microgram from the DEA is a really good source of information.www
.dea.gov/programs/forensicsci/microgram/bulletins_index.html
Oh and from what I've heard LSD jumped from 6 grand a gram to 20,000 a gram, this is from someone that knew people in Norcal, this is for fluff of course, but its still a fucking gip. Another thing he said when I asked him if the people did it to distribute the chemical more so than making money, he started laughing his ass off, saying they all were making shit loads of money, they always were at the best hotels, and that they were about the money just as much as every other dealer. Sounds about right, or else they woulda gave the shit away.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Herbus]
    #5749905 - 06/14/06 02:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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If you're cute I'd give you LSD HAH!


That's my goal in life, to get cute girls on LSD.




I hear that. Just got back from Waka and I made damn sure all the beautiful neighbors went for a magic carpet ride... Now off to Bonnaroo.

LSD has always been pretty easy for me to find, and I didn't do my first dose till after Pickard's sentencing and the overall reduction of the drug.. I also live in small-town Arkansas.... It's all just who you know. Hopefully who you know lives in the city and likes to send things in the mail.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: Edgekrusher]
    #5752513 - 06/15/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Halpern was the snitch. A DEA informant who brought the study of entheogens back to Harvard. Someone called him out for being a snitch during the middle of one of his lectures.

http://www.entheogenreview.com/Resources/Halperngate.pdf

I don't think any smaller fish fell because of the ET source, but I wasn't involved, so who knows.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: DoorsGirl]
    #5753469 - 06/15/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

this country needs to be soaked in LSD again...


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: nightkrawler]
    #5753595 - 06/15/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We've had some good mescaline around my area from time to time, but there's always loads of crap mescaline (fake), some of the stuff is awful for your body, still gets you tripping balls, but is very very bad for you. i no longer will buy mescaline in a powder except from one guy, but tahts because i know where its original source is and know for a fact that its mescaline. As for the advice "That sucks. Go pop some DXM... " thats awful advice.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #5753614 - 06/15/06 01:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've actually never heard of or seen mescaline before(other then from cacti)...never tried it either but I will someday for sure...and I agree that advice on dxm was terrible lol


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #5753995 - 06/15/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"We've had some good mescaline around my area from time to time, but there's always loads of crap mescaline (fake), some of the stuff is awful for your body, ..."

You don't even know what it is, how can you begin to make claims about how it is for your body? A body load for the duration of the trip perhaps, but that's not the same.

As for the mescaline, unless you're buying it from a guy who extracts it, you're probably being fooled. What did it look like, how much did it weigh?


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #5754035 - 06/15/06 03:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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We've had some good mescaline around my area from time to time, but there's always loads of crap mescaline (fake), some of the stuff is awful for your body, still gets you tripping balls, but is very very bad for you.




What "fake mescaline that makes you trip" do you speak of? If it makes you trip, its not fake mescaline, its something else, and that doesn't mean its "awful for your body".


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: RateLimitEnzyme]
    #5754152 - 06/15/06 04:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Fake mescaline is usually 2c-?

Ive been to enough rock/bluegrass/hippy/jazz shows as have a few other people on this thread to know that mescaline is a populare name for 2c-i and related Phenethylamines. Go figure, mescaline is a Phenethylamine.
Some of the dealers dont even know that what they have is not mescaline. SOme do, and when you call them on it they laugh and offer a discount.

Never been offerd a hardy mescaline extract unless I or a friend made it themselves.
Its terribly uncommon to find large amounts of mesc extract to the point where dealers get their hands on some. Synth mesc....Even less likely than an extract.

I have been offered mescaline around 30 times. It was never mescaline as I could tell once they showed it to me. No 15 mg pill is mescaline.


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Re: Bad LSD [Re: stemmer]
    #5754172 - 06/15/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ya I only have one source that I would trust to have the real deal(he takes pride in what he does and only deals with the best of the best) but hes never had mescaline(he'd tell me if he did) I'm sure I'll end up doing an extraction from a cactus when I try it


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