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Crying...
    #5746803 - 06/13/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Is possibly the most beautiful thing people can do. I live to fucking cry about it, and its awesome.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Jon]
    #5746835 - 06/13/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

crying out of depression washes the sadness away. It can be very healing.

crying from joy uplifts the spirit and inspires new faith. It can be very enlightening.

I try to cry whenever I have to, let the barriers down and commune with my emotional nature, no matter how pleasant or unpleasant it may be.

To deny tears or laughter is to deny a part of oneself. Denial is repression, and repression can often lead to explosion at inopportune moments. Thus, a steady flow is necessary to prevent the dam from bursting.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Jon]
    #5746935 - 06/13/06 07:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:emocry:

:bitch:

:cryariver:


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Re: Crying... [Re: Gomp]
    #5747082 - 06/13/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i'm a total cry baby
my eyes run with bliss
like hard ice emotion pooling into streams under the pressure of considering how beautiful everything is
so that my vision blurs
these things are too beautiful sometimes to look upon them anymore

wiping the tears away does no good
stay blinded in this rapture of joy & laughter
just let the cup overflow
like blood from the brow of christ
like the wee little wailing voice of a newborn baby emerging
from her mother's pinnacle of hysteria
with the droplets of blood from her torn vagina

even now swell the billowing white clouds in my heart
brought to life by the warmth of my passion for Life & Love
this storm will soon crack the heavens open again
with it's Light & Music
to wash cool fresh waters into the fertile soil of the world
.O. my tears, they fall like rain
sometimes you have seen them yes?


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5748313 - 06/14/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Crying to get attention is not allowed.

go on


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Re: Crying... [Re: slaphappy]
    #5748392 - 06/14/06 02:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5748399 - 06/14/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Whats next? Crying fluffy bunnies?

OK, I get the point of crying now.

Its purpose is to get attention. Telepylus, yet again, you impress me immensly.


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Re: Crying... [Re: slaphappy]
    #5748682 - 06/14/06 05:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hehe..


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Re: Crying... [Re: slaphappy]
    #5749835 - 06/14/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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slaphappy said:
Whats next? Crying fluffy bunnies?
OK, I get the point of crying now.
Its purpose is to get attention.






i wouldn't say its purpose is to get attention, although that may be part of it's function. or symptomatic of its energy.

when i cry, it's not about attention, it's done in private(or in the presence of my lover)-
and it's actually quite disgusting to most people, to see a man exhibit feelings of tenderness & sensitivity toward beauty & graceful mercy.

it's not about sadness or attention.
it's about channelling the pure unfettered emotional force of the planet through your body. witnessing the truth of things, however awful or glorious.

i recall a south park episode
chef is talking to stan
telling him how god loves to see us cry
so that he can drink the sweet milk of our tears to feel better about himself, lol

something like that


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5749889 - 06/14/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't like crybabies, most crybabies are narcs, they go off cry to someone about their ill feeling, like their the only ones with problems in the world, then you go around holding their hand so they don't have another emotional episode at your expense.

But I guess if its something real then crying healthy, I don't really find much use for it.


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Re: Crying... [Re: capliberty]
    #5749966 - 06/14/06 03:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i love cry babies.
dramatic hissy fitters.
moody whiners.

something in me likes to sooth away other peoples problems and troubles.
to wipe away someone elses sadness is a way of taking my mind off my self.

and, i'd said that when a man cries it is disgusting.
but it's more disgusting when a man becomes totally insensitive and unable to facilitate his emotions.


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Re: Crying... [Re: capliberty]
    #5750106 - 06/14/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

so are you saying that those who feel pain should just lock that inside and bear that burden alone? Even if the pain that person feels is the result of unjust actions perpetrated against him by evil people?

there is a difference between crying and being a cry baby. If you can't see this, you are emotionally cripple, cold and distance, and completely without compassion.

I pity you.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5750113 - 06/14/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

did you make a typo tele or are you saying a man crying is disgusting? that's absurd.

crying is like vomiting.

it gets all the toxins and poisons out of you so they don't build up and destroy you later. it hurts at first but then it feels really good.

there is little such thing as "men" and "women" only gender roles for people of both sexes to fall into. in society women have become more masculine and assertive through access to careers and education.

men are becoming more femnine by getting in tune with things that actually matter (i.e. who cares about wrestling grizzly bears and lifting tons of weights? if you can do those things then that's cool but there's more to living then that)

if men weren't supposed to cry they wouldn't have feelings.


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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5750126 - 06/14/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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DoctorJ said:


there is a difference between crying and being a cry baby.




I would even assert that there is no such thing as a cry baby.

Just as one man's trash is another man's treasure, one mans papercut is another one's gaping wound.

Go up to 30 people and say "you're ugly" and one might cry. The insult has little to do with it, it is just that that person was already wounded to begin with, probably had an extremely low self-esteem from being abused by peers while growing up, and has a very fresh wound that is easy to penetrate.

If you say it to 30 different people many might laugh, some might get angry, some won't feel anything at all, some will give you love, some will have so much pain already existing in their systems that they don't know how to heal and fix, that it will tear open their newly dressed wounds.

This person is not a cry baby. This person is a human being that needs proper mending and attention. That needs emotional support to say "it is okay to be alive, and it is okay to be you, and there is nothing wrong with being you, so fuck what anyone else thinks. I love you"

cry babies wouldn't exist without bullies.

And the circumstances do NOT matter!
If you destroy a 3 year olds favorite stuffed animal he will cry and cry and be in so much more pain than a CEO ever would if he got his BMW stolen.

and if that CEO is brought to gut wrenching tears, his loss is just as great as the child losing his teddy bear.

of course, it's not entirely that absolute..... for a teddy is easier to replace, but the immediate pain is the same. the coping is different.


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Edited by leery11 (06/14/06 04:02 PM)


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Re: Crying... [Re: leery11]
    #5750310 - 06/14/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wow, impressive post. :thumbup:

Nice understanding you are developing there. :wink:

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Re: Crying... [Re: leery11]
    #5750371 - 06/14/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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leery11 said:
did you make a typo tele or are you saying a man crying is disgusting? that's absurd.

if men weren't supposed to cry they wouldn't have feelings.





what you are saying doesn't add up.
you are saying it's absurd for me to say a man crying is disgusting, as if you have experience with that.
but obviously you don't, because if you did you'd know that what i'm saying is totally true.

i've had many lovers in my life, and many friends, and sure, sometimes they will pretend that it's not disgusting for a man to cry.
but you can see it on their face, in their body language.

and more, most human beings care more about the dog crying in the street, than the human being crying.


men crying is sort of an attempt of breaking away from deep seated programming of gender roles. that's why i allow myself to do it.
i try to be as sterotypically feminine as possible, to balance out my brutish arrogant testosterone driven manhood.

i think it's disgusting when men cry too
kinda like when a baby's butt is smeared with stinky poop
that's not to say it's not a good thing
it is what it is


Edited by Telepylus (06/14/06 05:56 PM)


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5750425 - 06/14/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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and if you ever were in the presense of a crying man, you would vomit and run, just like everyone else does.



That's some wicked generalization... Why is it disguisting to see a man crying? Perhaps cuz he's showing his human side is of greater importance than some shitty stereotype given by "authorities" of how one should act?
They say real men don't cry, this is fear of emotions. I say only real men are capable of crying (don't confuse this with "only real men cry", for not everyone needs tears to experience the rainbow)

I do not "allow" myself to cry, nor do i push myself into crying, it happens spontaneously, when the need arises.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5750487 - 06/14/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Triplexiosis said:
They say real men don't cry, this is fear of emotions.




Why is this necessarily fear of emotions?

Perhaps the reason why "real men" do not exhibit emotional displays such as crying is due to the fact that they, simply, do not experience the emotions that would naturally trigger such displays?

There are going to be a variety of reasons why people do cry or do not cry. :shrug:

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Re: Crying... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5750580 - 06/14/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps I should rephrase that  :grin:
I was refering to people who would refuse to cry even if their lives depended on it, people who, if caught crying by themselves all alone would put themselves down, finding it to be wrong or unnatural.
It's kinda hard to express myself properly in english (excuses, excuses :P)
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Re: Crying... [Re: Triplexiosis]
    #5750733 - 06/14/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When we cry, we are all the same. We are all weak and helpless, I beleive its gesture of pure honesty we cant seem to control. We could be liars our entire lives, but the only thing we cannot fool ourselves with is crying. I see beauty in it because it means we can all be honest at a point in our lives, and we dont really have to be pessimistic and beleive all people are evil, there are signs. I dont really know the words to say it, but I know some older smarter shroomer can reword what im trying to say.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5750806 - 06/14/06 07:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

and it's actually quite disgusting to most people, to see a man exhibit feelings of tenderness & sensitivity toward beauty & graceful mercy.




This is a baseless generalization.  Few humans would find a man's tenderness and tears disgusting, unless they were embittered and devoid of empathy.  I would never trust my heart and body to a man who cannot or will not cry.

I think the original poster was saying that tears are a sign of humanity, of heart, of soul.  For a few minutes, we see through the crack in the facade, and glimpse the being.  :heart:  I see the same thing during genuine laughter, and when someone gazes upon their beloved.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Veritas]
    #5751013 - 06/14/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

There can be dishonesty in crying, such as a little brat, who crys and sobs because his parents respond to that, and then comfort him with gift, toys or whatever. Crying is an often used method to get what you want. Or have people pity you. There are also people that are on emotional rollercoasters who have nervous breakdowns on every little whim, these people aren't being honest with themselves, maybe some people want to put on a show for whatever reason because it satisfies something but really down underneath they could care less. This is the type of crying that disgusts me, not genuine reasons like someone dies, or gets hurt, little kid loses a game. Crying can be viewed as a being weak, such as big kid beats up little kid, he starts crying his ass off, then everyone who knew about the fight looks at him as a whimp and teases him, to humiliate the other is bitter sweat, no one likes to be exposed, thats why wrestling was made, and the UFC, one on one, to satisfy that urge to fight without losing to much dignity if you lose. Plus its not bullying anybody when the match is even and theres implications involved other than humiliating the other kid. When you grow up all the fun is over, because someone can call the cops, people can only verbally bullie them into submission or until they start crying, but its still ingrained in every male. You can tell, people who envy each other, you can sense them just wanting to deck you and make you cry if they feel your weaker, that will never go away. The only thing is if you go into hostile environment, but now days its about not just getting jumped, but getting jacked, maybe also getting rapped if your female. Fighting is aggression, crying is submission, problems and humiliation, it will always be looked that way, in the male dominate world


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Re: Crying... [Re: capliberty]
    #5751024 - 06/14/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

shouldn't you be in a cave beating monkeys with a bone right now?

duuuuhhhh duuuuhhhh duuuuuhhhh

DUHN DAH!!!

(boom boom boom boom boom)


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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5751107 - 06/14/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Shouldn't you go somewhere and do something about making your little fantasy world happen, instead burdening me with this crybaby fucking trip where try to be nice, wise, clever and whitty, but really underneath it all your just a bitter prick who resents women. Give it up dude, you don't baffle me with you word play, and self righteous bullshit


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Re: Crying... [Re: capliberty]
    #5751338 - 06/14/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:rofl:

gee, the girl I'm with now doesn't seem to think I resent her...

:lol:

by the invectiveness of your rant, I would say YOU are the spoiled brat who's bitchin too much. 


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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5751491 - 06/14/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:lol: I wasn't refering to dogs on leash and stank boxes, and if she is hot good luck in keeping her with that fucking stupied game your spittin


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Re: Crying... [Re: capliberty]
    #5752173 - 06/15/06 01:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"game"?

I have no game, nor do I desire to have game.


"Love is not a game to be played."

if you don't understand that... I pity you.


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Re: Crying... [Re: capliberty]
    #5752668 - 06/15/06 08:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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There can be dishonesty in crying, such as a little brat, who crys and sobs because his parents respond to that, and then comfort him with gift, toys or whatever. Crying is an often used method to get what you want. Or have people pity you. There are also people that are on emotional rollercoasters who have nervous breakdowns on every little whim, these people aren't being honest with themselves, maybe some people want to put on a show for whatever reason because it satisfies something but really down underneath they could care less. This is the type of crying that disgusts me, not genuine reasons like someone dies, or gets hurt, little kid loses a game. Crying can be viewed as a being weak, such as big kid beats up little kid, he starts crying his ass off, then everyone who knew about the fight looks at him as a whimp and teases him, to humiliate the other is bitter sweat, no one likes to be exposed, thats why wrestling was made, and the UFC, one on one, to satisfy that urge to fight without losing to much dignity if you lose. Plus its not bullying anybody when the match is even and theres implications involved other than humiliating the other kid. When you grow up all the fun is over, because someone can call the cops, people can only verbally bullie them into submission or until they start crying, but its still ingrained in every male. You can tell, people who envy each other, you can sense them just wanting to deck you and make you cry if they feel your weaker, that will never go away. The only thing is if you go into hostile environment, but now days its about not just getting jumped, but getting jacked, maybe also getting rapped if your female. Fighting is aggression, crying is submission, problems and humiliation, it will always be looked that way, in the male dominate world




I dunno dude this is pretty extreme> maybe your world is like that but the only dudes that go around decking each other out of jealousy are dudes that I generally never ever am exposed to, because that is not part of my path.

Furthermore you do not seem to be the person on an emotional roller coaster ride, how do you know it's not fake? Unless you gain control of your glands and can cry on cue and put fake emotions into it, crying is a sincere act that is never fake, it is the mending and releasing of emotions. As I said if you have wounds that are never healed, you can be prone to constant crying as you do not know how to heal them.

You can say to someone "I feel so terrible like I am a worthless human being and that no one loves me" but you can also just cry, and crying is the unviersal way of expressing such things.

Crying breaks down your walls, and it breaks down the walls of the other, too.

Recalling all of the times I could have cried and
I should have cried then
and as the walls come down
and as i look in your eyes
my fear begins to fade.........


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (06/15/06 08:03 AM)


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Re: Crying... [Re: Veritas]
    #5753473 - 06/15/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Few humans would find a man's tenderness and tears disgusting, unless they were embittered and devoid of empathy.




you must live in some wonderful foreign land far away from mine.
because where i come from, human beings are more like monsters with no emotions, except hate, greed, lust.

lol

embittered and devoid of empathy, lol
kinda like the way you think it's fun that the world is so perfect where you live. because you don't pay attention to human suffering.

god i wanna throw up right now


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5753906 - 06/15/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Perhaps you feel nauseated because that is classic experience of any being "where you come from, "when faced with one in recognition of the love and warmth in the beauty of honest human expression through tears.


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where i come from, human beings are more like monsters with no emotions, except hate, greed, lust.




If you come from that, that means, you come from out out of that. Indeed, you must then know the suffering that exists if you know human beings like that.

What i want to ask is WHY are using beings suffering to the extent of having become monstrous with only the ability to feel hate, greed and lust, as the measure and judge for the beauty of honest and healthy expression through tears?

That's is whats warped, not what veritas said or where she comes from. Where do you think you know her well enough to judge her like that. If she ignored the cruelty and suffering in the world, she wouldn't have spent days posting in Diploids thread on the ils of female circumcision in PAL.

To see my husband shedding tears of joy the first time he held our daughter was so beautiful it was breath taking. The love of a father for his daughter being honestly expressed through tears is enough to make me start crying tears of of being overwhelmed with warmth and beauty. :lol:

I will give to agreeing with the ugliness of those who can turn on the water works at will using it as a means to manipulate others. That is a dishonest expression of tears and it's not beautiful. Sobbing from out of temper tantrums and guilt trips is pretty lame no matter if it comes from a man woman or child.

Haven't you all ever seen men shed tears while exchanging wedding vows. That is so beautiful to see someone so overwhelmed with love and joy and happiness.

What sort of soul would begrudge anyone of expressing that wealth of emotion or call it disgusting. 

If a man had a close bond with his father and cried at the funeral, that too is an honest expression of the wealth of love he is feeling to have lost. Why is it so hard for some to allow others such honest expression?

Do we want for all men on this planet to get real and honest with themselves and others or do we want to encourage the behavior for all men to be fake with others and for what?

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Re: Crying... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5754305 - 06/15/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i just wish somebody cared about me
and had feelings

but they don't

i'm glad your lives are so rich and filled with love


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Re: Crying... [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5754375 - 06/15/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Love is not a game to be played.




really

Doc if this is such common knowledge why is people disagreeing

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Unless you gain control of your glands and can cry on cue and put fake emotions into it




this can be done


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5754381 - 06/15/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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i just wish somebody cared about me
and had feelings

but they don't




crying because of that is as powerful as crying out of love, too.

I cried out of feelings like that the other day, to some extent. I hope you find completion and love, friend, because you deserve it.
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capliberty said:

Doc if this is such common knowledge why is people disagreeing




very few people reach unconditional love and are unable to have healthy relatoinships in this society.

if you want to get there it's best to not be cynical.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5754423 - 06/15/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Anyones can be. It starts with treating yourself the way you want to be by others. When you start to treat yourself well, it becomes very difficult to allow or let others treat you not well. And when others see you treating yourself well, its easier for them to follow suit.

Does it make sense to give an Armani Suit to some guy who likes to play in the mud or use eating utensils. Not really.

There is a psychology involved to how you treat yourself and how others will.

Something to think about to help you help yourself turn things around.

It's start with the self, that much I know. :hug:

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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5754427 - 06/15/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your honest post brought tears to my eyes.

If no one in your life cares about you, why are they still in your life?  You are the standard-setter, and you can choose whether you settle for acquaintance with those who show you hatred and cynicism and greed, or heartful friendship with the True lovers of this world.

I'm in the Pacific Northwest, too, not on another planet. After too much experience with negativity and abuse, I realized that I would much rather be alone (and have been, at times for several years) than allow people into my life who don't care about me.  Living with this choice means that I must love and cherish myself above all others, and cultivate a positive relationship with reality.

It is worth it.  :sun:  I wish the best for you.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Veritas]
    #5754478 - 06/15/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i'm a person who believes in the power of goodness
i've been living as miss goody two shoes for years now

the idea that if you are a "good man" you will find a "good woman"
it's a lie

let me tell you about the last 3 girlfriends i had.
they all claimed to be good christians, and into love, and all that stuff.
a proper mate for a guy like me.
beautiful, smart, sensitive, etc...

ok, the first one killed my daughter.
the second and third one fucked my best friends, then married them.

so it appears to me that if you are good, you attract the opposite, evil.
like we exist in some kind of polarity.

i don't really cry when i'm sad.
i cry when things are beautiful, i've said that 10 times now.

the point i'm trying to make is-
please, don't lie to yourself and act like this world is filled with nice good hearted people, because it ain't.

and even though women abuse me, and kill my children, and my heart and soul.
i still love women.
that's who i am, mister unconditional love, mr. sensitive, who is funny and charming, and smart, on and on and on

meanwhile, all these losers i know, who get drunk and beat their women, they got 5 mistress each.

what i really want to do is get angry
and kill people
but, sadly, that's not in me to do.

they say you have to love yourself before you can love others or be loved or whatever.
that's a crock of shit too.
i love myself just fine, what's not to love?

in lynnwood, where i live
violence is what chicks lust for
and tattoos, and dudes from prison who smoke meth, and dump their children in garbage cans
stuff like that

maybe i should try to move to your town
where everything is peace and joy and love and lollipops


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Re: Crying... [Re: capliberty]
    #5754647 - 06/15/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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really

Doc if this is such common knowledge why is people disagreeing





did I say it was common knowledge?  Stop putting words in my mouth and cram them up your ass instead. thank you. 


Let me tell you a little story about a guy named Copernicus: 

You see, he had this crazy idea that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, and that it revolved around the sun.  A bunch of morons like you disagreed with him and persecuted and ridiculed him his entire life. 

But guess what?  They were wrong and he was right.  :tongue:

So you see the truth is not always popular, especially when it conflicts with obsolete, old-world dogma. 

If you think that what is popular is always right, then you are a moron.  Prohibition laws are popular so I guess they must be right, too, huh?  What are you doing here posting on an illegal drug forum?  Don't you want to be with those popular people who are always right?  Here, here's a forum for ya:  http://www.freevibe.com/


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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5754720 - 06/15/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You see, he had this crazy idea that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, and that it revolved around the sun. A bunch of morons like you disagreed with him and persecuted and ridiculed him his entire life.

But guess what? They were wrong and he was right.




and your point is...


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If you think that what is popular is always right, then you are a moron




who are you refering this too. Sounds like an assumption which is a popular trait for know it alls


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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5754722 - 06/15/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

in the past few years i've seen one or two people crying.
but they weren't real tears.
they might have thought they were real, but they weren't.
just actors in a bad low budget movie.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5754810 - 06/15/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like you missed the message and how the dynamic we are speaking of about treating yourself well works.

You answered your own question about why people don;t show you love and care. I will show you.

Take my example of , would you give an Armani suit (if you don;t know what they are, they are very expensive fine tailored designer suits with the finest of materialist) to someone who will play in the mud and not use utensils and napkins when they eat in it?

Nobody would. Why? Because the person has not shown the ability to appreciate or properly care for the gift. That person would just ruin it and treat it like garbage.

So now, Veritas expresses, human warmth and compassion towards you, care and the love of understanding and guidance.

What did you do with that valuable gift?

You pretty much treated it like shit, showed no appreciation for it and trampled on it.


The real life demonstration of my answer to your question of why people are not showing you love and care in your life is all right here. You answered it for yourself. Read through this and see what I am saying.

I didn;t say its about being a "good person" . you are right, many good people get treated like door mats. I said, it starts with treating yourself "well". A person who treats themselves well, affords themselves the finer things in life and takes great and meticulous care with them.

When that becomes the way you treat the things and people in your life, and the gifts they give to you, including love and care, by treating with meticulous care and appreciation, people will be more then happy to give you more of it.

Why? Because they will see how much you will take care of and value their love and care for you.

That is what I meant by treating yourself well in life. Act as if you are one who does and one who does, affords themselves the finer things, appreciates them and takes meticulous good care of them. They know they deserve no less and show their worthiness to have these things finer things in life through their appreciation and care of them.

This is what we must do with the gifts of love and kindness others give to us if we wish for them to keep flowing in.
Trample on such gifts , ruin them, be careless with them and treat them like shit and you can be sure, people will stop giving you things that are valuable to them.

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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5754814 - 06/15/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Naturally, there is a corncucopia of negative behavior and energy in the world, in fact, it is possible for it to completely surround us.

I think, however, that one's attitude and perspective on life will naturally direct one's life in a manner that will bring you into situations that reflect your perspective.

It is possible that an individual effectively sabotages one's preferences on how they wish to live and the type of emotional being that they wish to be centered in by concerning oneself with conflicting and dualistic thoughts and feelings.

Life isn't a series of random occurences. The path that unfolds for us in life is greatly influenced by the choices and decisions that one makes, which are, of course, the result of one's perspective and understanding of reality. If we dissolve aspects of our mind that obstruct our ability to directly perceive reality as it presents itself, then we more fully realize the nature of ourselves and the environment. Thus, we form a perspective that enables us to more effectively navigate reality.

A good practice for an individual is to simply bring awareness into one's mind, to observe its processes impartially, in order to realize what we may need to change within in order to produce change in our environment.

Maintaining perspectives that have absorbed and retained the negativity expressed in one's environment in the past (which only continues to exist as an abstract sense, an illusion) and within one's own mind effectively ruin any chance of producing change that will reduce the amount of negativity expressed in one's environment and within oneself.

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    #5755201 - 06/15/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Telepylus said:
i'm a person who believes in the power of goodness
i've been living as miss goody two shoes for years now

the idea that if you are a "good man" you will find a "good woman"
it's a lie




Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that if you are an independent, self-cherishing man, you will not choose a partner who is dependent and self-loathing.  Finding has little to do with it...you may find any number of damaged, angry, abusive, manipulative & dishonest people as you travel through this world.  The difference is in whom you allow into your life.

You said:
"they all claimed to be good christians, and into love, and all that stuff."
But what evidence did you have for their claims?  It is possible to fool someone with your words if they are willing to ignore your actions.  It is unlikely that the first signs of their dysfunction were the events you describe.

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please, don't lie to yourself and act like this world is filled with nice good hearted people, because it ain't.




It is not filled with nice people, but that doesn't mean it is filled with evil people.  There is a mix.  Everyone is trying to fulfill the same basic needs, but many of them don't understand how to get those needs met, or even what their needs actually are.  They may believe that others are trying to keep them from getting their needs met.  People who are mistrustful and afraid of being left out in the cold may be incapable of being nice.

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i love myself just fine, what's not to love?




Great attitude!  :smile:

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in lynnwood, where i live
violence is what chicks lust for
and tattoos, and dudes from prison who smoke meth, and dump their children in garbage cans
stuff like that

maybe i should try to move to your town
where everything is peace and joy and love and lollipops




Sounds like a bad neighborhood.  :sad:  Negativity does seem to love company, doesn't it?  If you don't start out that way, the miserable people around will give you a big push in that direction.  Perhaps it is not a good place for you.  Why are you still there?

Yes, my town is very peaceful and lovely.  I've made many sacrifices in order to stay here, but I love the fact that strangers smile and talk to me, that the air and water is clean, that I can hike in the woods a few blocks away, and that it is full of New Age hippy types.  :heart:


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Re: Crying... [Re: Veritas]
    #5755252 - 06/15/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i'm sorry for exaggerating.
i had a bad day.
i just miss my wife, and daughter.

i've talked alot of shit in this thread, and lied a couple times.
forgive me for that.
this thread will soon fade into oblivion anyways.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5755266 - 06/15/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ideed it will as will all the wins and losses in our lives.

Nothing lasts. :mushroom2:


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Re: Crying... [Re: Icelander]
    #5755352 - 06/15/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I haven't read the thread, but I thought I'd give my own take on crying, since I do it A LOT. It doesn't take much to make me cry, and I can't control it! I don't like this at all, you have no idea how embarressing it is to just start crying over something totally stupid and insignificant. The frustration/overwelming feeling just starts bubbling up inside of me and I don't have a choice, it just pours out. I always frantically try to stop it, but usually it's no use, out it comes and I feel silly and embarressed about it, the humiliation alone making me cry harder.

I used to feel like such a freak in high school. Someone across the room could look at me oddly and I would interpret this as my world ending and just start crying. I have such a vulnerable side, and I've had it my entire life.

Weirdly, I've been able to totally block the effects of psychedelics simply by holding back my tears. For hours I'll be sitting there, waiting to trip, feeling more and more like crying, but holding it back because I'm trying to stay positive. Then once I accept that I'm not going to trip, the tears flood out like crazy and then BAM, I'm tripping like crazy and my heart is throbbing in ecstasy from the glorious release. It's happened during half of my trips and ecstasy experiences, usually at the beginning. It's like I I cry, there is a switch in my brain, and then the drug gets through.

What explanation for this can there be?

I enjoy crying during a trip, but it's just embarressing to have no control over it when there's people around you.


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Re: Crying... [Re: Telepylus]
    #5755366 - 06/15/06 09:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No apology or forgiveness needed.  It was clear from your posts that you were hurting and angry.  This thread may fade into oblivion, but that does not mean that this discussion is insignificant.  :heart:


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    #5755429 - 06/15/06 09:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

GROUPHUG!


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    #5755623 - 06/15/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

just for the record I would like to say that I plan to visit the Jefferson Memorial someday, and I know that when I get there I will start crying like a baby.

I visit that place a lot in my mind and every time I do, I can't help but crying. He was just such a beautiful man, with such a beautiful dream that it literally chokes me up just thinking about it.


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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5756440 - 06/16/06 07:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You can't control crying. You can't control anything.

Control controls itself. And thats it.

You don't cry, you have never cried, you will never cry.

The tears are themselves, holy and horny at the same time, expunging themselves of the duality of being nothing.

You're stuck in the middle, with me.

And we are not nothing.


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Re: Crying... [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5756716 - 06/16/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:lol:

Don't you mean:

:dogpile:

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    #5756905 - 06/16/06 11:07 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, yeah:

I also cry just about every time the 'I Have a Dream' speech by Martin Luther King is played. Beautiful speech.


Once I was so deep in love with a girl that whenever she slept with someone else, I could feel it, and it felt like a dagger piercing my heart. I cried many tears of great sadness over her.


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