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Veritas

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and it's actually quite disgusting to most people, to see a man exhibit feelings of tenderness & sensitivity toward beauty & graceful mercy.
This is a baseless generalization. Few humans would find a man's tenderness and tears disgusting, unless they were embittered and devoid of empathy. I would never trust my heart and body to a man who cannot or will not cry.
I think the original poster was saying that tears are a sign of humanity, of heart, of soul. For a few minutes, we see through the crack in the facade, and glimpse the being. I see the same thing during genuine laughter, and when someone gazes upon their beloved.
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Re: Crying... [Re: Veritas]
#5751013 - 06/14/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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There can be dishonesty in crying, such as a little brat, who crys and sobs because his parents respond to that, and then comfort him with gift, toys or whatever. Crying is an often used method to get what you want. Or have people pity you. There are also people that are on emotional rollercoasters who have nervous breakdowns on every little whim, these people aren't being honest with themselves, maybe some people want to put on a show for whatever reason because it satisfies something but really down underneath they could care less. This is the type of crying that disgusts me, not genuine reasons like someone dies, or gets hurt, little kid loses a game. Crying can be viewed as a being weak, such as big kid beats up little kid, he starts crying his ass off, then everyone who knew about the fight looks at him as a whimp and teases him, to humiliate the other is bitter sweat, no one likes to be exposed, thats why wrestling was made, and the UFC, one on one, to satisfy that urge to fight without losing to much dignity if you lose. Plus its not bullying anybody when the match is even and theres implications involved other than humiliating the other kid. When you grow up all the fun is over, because someone can call the cops, people can only verbally bullie them into submission or until they start crying, but its still ingrained in every male. You can tell, people who envy each other, you can sense them just wanting to deck you and make you cry if they feel your weaker, that will never go away. The only thing is if you go into hostile environment, but now days its about not just getting jumped, but getting jacked, maybe also getting rapped if your female. Fighting is aggression, crying is submission, problems and humiliation, it will always be looked that way, in the male dominate world
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DoctorJ


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shouldn't you be in a cave beating monkeys with a bone right now?
duuuuhhhh duuuuhhhh duuuuuhhhh
DUHN DAH!!!
(boom boom boom boom boom)
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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
#5751107 - 06/14/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Shouldn't you go somewhere and do something about making your little fantasy world happen, instead burdening me with this crybaby fucking trip where try to be nice, wise, clever and whitty, but really underneath it all your just a bitter prick who resents women. Give it up dude, you don't baffle me with you word play, and self righteous bullshit
Edited by capliberty (06/14/06 08:43 PM)
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DoctorJ


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gee, the girl I'm with now doesn't seem to think I resent her...

by the invectiveness of your rant, I would say YOU are the spoiled brat who's bitchin too much.
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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
#5751491 - 06/14/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I wasn't refering to dogs on leash and stank boxes, and if she is hot good luck in keeping her with that fucking stupied game your spittin
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DoctorJ


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"game"?
I have no game, nor do I desire to have game.
"Love is not a game to be played."
if you don't understand that... I pity you.
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leery11
I Tell You What!

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capliberty said: There can be dishonesty in crying, such as a little brat, who crys and sobs because his parents respond to that, and then comfort him with gift, toys or whatever. Crying is an often used method to get what you want. Or have people pity you. There are also people that are on emotional rollercoasters who have nervous breakdowns on every little whim, these people aren't being honest with themselves, maybe some people want to put on a show for whatever reason because it satisfies something but really down underneath they could care less. This is the type of crying that disgusts me, not genuine reasons like someone dies, or gets hurt, little kid loses a game. Crying can be viewed as a being weak, such as big kid beats up little kid, he starts crying his ass off, then everyone who knew about the fight looks at him as a whimp and teases him, to humiliate the other is bitter sweat, no one likes to be exposed, thats why wrestling was made, and the UFC, one on one, to satisfy that urge to fight without losing to much dignity if you lose. Plus its not bullying anybody when the match is even and theres implications involved other than humiliating the other kid. When you grow up all the fun is over, because someone can call the cops, people can only verbally bullie them into submission or until they start crying, but its still ingrained in every male. You can tell, people who envy each other, you can sense them just wanting to deck you and make you cry if they feel your weaker, that will never go away. The only thing is if you go into hostile environment, but now days its about not just getting jumped, but getting jacked, maybe also getting rapped if your female. Fighting is aggression, crying is submission, problems and humiliation, it will always be looked that way, in the male dominate world
I dunno dude this is pretty extreme> maybe your world is like that but the only dudes that go around decking each other out of jealousy are dudes that I generally never ever am exposed to, because that is not part of my path.
Furthermore you do not seem to be the person on an emotional roller coaster ride, how do you know it's not fake? Unless you gain control of your glands and can cry on cue and put fake emotions into it, crying is a sincere act that is never fake, it is the mending and releasing of emotions. As I said if you have wounds that are never healed, you can be prone to constant crying as you do not know how to heal them.
You can say to someone "I feel so terrible like I am a worthless human being and that no one loves me" but you can also just cry, and crying is the unviersal way of expressing such things.
Crying breaks down your walls, and it breaks down the walls of the other, too.
Recalling all of the times I could have cried and I should have cried then and as the walls come down and as i look in your eyes my fear begins to fade.........
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (06/15/06 08:03 AM)
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Telepylus
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Re: Crying... [Re: Veritas]
#5753473 - 06/15/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Few humans would find a man's tenderness and tears disgusting, unless they were embittered and devoid of empathy.
you must live in some wonderful foreign land far away from mine. because where i come from, human beings are more like monsters with no emotions, except hate, greed, lust.
lol
embittered and devoid of empathy, lol kinda like the way you think it's fun that the world is so perfect where you live. because you don't pay attention to human suffering.
god i wanna throw up right now
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gettinjiggywithit
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Perhaps you feel nauseated because that is classic experience of any being "where you come from, "when faced with one in recognition of the love and warmth in the beauty of honest human expression through tears.
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where i come from, human beings are more like monsters with no emotions, except hate, greed, lust.
If you come from that, that means, you come from out out of that. Indeed, you must then know the suffering that exists if you know human beings like that.
What i want to ask is WHY are using beings suffering to the extent of having become monstrous with only the ability to feel hate, greed and lust, as the measure and judge for the beauty of honest and healthy expression through tears?
That's is whats warped, not what veritas said or where she comes from. Where do you think you know her well enough to judge her like that. If she ignored the cruelty and suffering in the world, she wouldn't have spent days posting in Diploids thread on the ils of female circumcision in PAL.
To see my husband shedding tears of joy the first time he held our daughter was so beautiful it was breath taking. The love of a father for his daughter being honestly expressed through tears is enough to make me start crying tears of of being overwhelmed with warmth and beauty. 
I will give to agreeing with the ugliness of those who can turn on the water works at will using it as a means to manipulate others. That is a dishonest expression of tears and it's not beautiful. Sobbing from out of temper tantrums and guilt trips is pretty lame no matter if it comes from a man woman or child.
Haven't you all ever seen men shed tears while exchanging wedding vows. That is so beautiful to see someone so overwhelmed with love and joy and happiness.
What sort of soul would begrudge anyone of expressing that wealth of emotion or call it disgusting.
If a man had a close bond with his father and cried at the funeral, that too is an honest expression of the wealth of love he is feeling to have lost. Why is it so hard for some to allow others such honest expression?
Do we want for all men on this planet to get real and honest with themselves and others or do we want to encourage the behavior for all men to be fake with others and for what?
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i just wish somebody cared about me and had feelings
but they don't
i'm glad your lives are so rich and filled with love
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capliberty
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Love is not a game to be played.
really
Doc if this is such common knowledge why is people disagreeing
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Unless you gain control of your glands and can cry on cue and put fake emotions into it
this can be done
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leery11
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i just wish somebody cared about me and had feelings
but they don't
crying because of that is as powerful as crying out of love, too.
I cried out of feelings like that the other day, to some extent. I hope you find completion and love, friend, because you deserve it.
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Doc if this is such common knowledge why is people disagreeing
very few people reach unconditional love and are unable to have healthy relatoinships in this society.
if you want to get there it's best to not be cynical.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
Edited by leery11 (06/15/06 05:28 PM)
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Anyones can be. It starts with treating yourself the way you want to be by others. When you start to treat yourself well, it becomes very difficult to allow or let others treat you not well. And when others see you treating yourself well, its easier for them to follow suit.
Does it make sense to give an Armani Suit to some guy who likes to play in the mud or use eating utensils. Not really.
There is a psychology involved to how you treat yourself and how others will.
Something to think about to help you help yourself turn things around.
It's start with the self, that much I know. 
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Veritas

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Your honest post brought tears to my eyes.
If no one in your life cares about you, why are they still in your life? You are the standard-setter, and you can choose whether you settle for acquaintance with those who show you hatred and cynicism and greed, or heartful friendship with the True lovers of this world.
I'm in the Pacific Northwest, too, not on another planet. After too much experience with negativity and abuse, I realized that I would much rather be alone (and have been, at times for several years) than allow people into my life who don't care about me. Living with this choice means that I must love and cherish myself above all others, and cultivate a positive relationship with reality.
It is worth it. I wish the best for you.
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Re: Crying... [Re: Veritas]
#5754478 - 06/15/06 05:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm a person who believes in the power of goodness i've been living as miss goody two shoes for years now
the idea that if you are a "good man" you will find a "good woman" it's a lie
let me tell you about the last 3 girlfriends i had. they all claimed to be good christians, and into love, and all that stuff. a proper mate for a guy like me. beautiful, smart, sensitive, etc...
ok, the first one killed my daughter. the second and third one fucked my best friends, then married them.
so it appears to me that if you are good, you attract the opposite, evil. like we exist in some kind of polarity.
i don't really cry when i'm sad. i cry when things are beautiful, i've said that 10 times now.
the point i'm trying to make is- please, don't lie to yourself and act like this world is filled with nice good hearted people, because it ain't.
and even though women abuse me, and kill my children, and my heart and soul. i still love women. that's who i am, mister unconditional love, mr. sensitive, who is funny and charming, and smart, on and on and on
meanwhile, all these losers i know, who get drunk and beat their women, they got 5 mistress each.
what i really want to do is get angry and kill people but, sadly, that's not in me to do.
they say you have to love yourself before you can love others or be loved or whatever. that's a crock of shit too. i love myself just fine, what's not to love?
in lynnwood, where i live violence is what chicks lust for and tattoos, and dudes from prison who smoke meth, and dump their children in garbage cans stuff like that
maybe i should try to move to your town where everything is peace and joy and love and lollipops
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DoctorJ


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really
Doc if this is such common knowledge why is people disagreeing
did I say it was common knowledge? Stop putting words in my mouth and cram them up your ass instead. thank you.
Let me tell you a little story about a guy named Copernicus:
You see, he had this crazy idea that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, and that it revolved around the sun. A bunch of morons like you disagreed with him and persecuted and ridiculed him his entire life.
But guess what? They were wrong and he was right. 
So you see the truth is not always popular, especially when it conflicts with obsolete, old-world dogma.
If you think that what is popular is always right, then you are a moron. Prohibition laws are popular so I guess they must be right, too, huh? What are you doing here posting on an illegal drug forum? Don't you want to be with those popular people who are always right? Here, here's a forum for ya: http://www.freevibe.com/
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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
#5754720 - 06/15/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You see, he had this crazy idea that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe, and that it revolved around the sun. A bunch of morons like you disagreed with him and persecuted and ridiculed him his entire life.
But guess what? They were wrong and he was right.
and your point is...
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If you think that what is popular is always right, then you are a moron
who are you refering this too. Sounds like an assumption which is a popular trait for know it alls
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Re: Crying... [Re: DoctorJ]
#5754722 - 06/15/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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in the past few years i've seen one or two people crying. but they weren't real tears. they might have thought they were real, but they weren't. just actors in a bad low budget movie.
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gettinjiggywithit
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Looks like you missed the message and how the dynamic we are speaking of about treating yourself well works.
You answered your own question about why people don;t show you love and care. I will show you.
Take my example of , would you give an Armani suit (if you don;t know what they are, they are very expensive fine tailored designer suits with the finest of materialist) to someone who will play in the mud and not use utensils and napkins when they eat in it?
Nobody would. Why? Because the person has not shown the ability to appreciate or properly care for the gift. That person would just ruin it and treat it like garbage.
So now, Veritas expresses, human warmth and compassion towards you, care and the love of understanding and guidance.
What did you do with that valuable gift?
You pretty much treated it like shit, showed no appreciation for it and trampled on it.
The real life demonstration of my answer to your question of why people are not showing you love and care in your life is all right here. You answered it for yourself. Read through this and see what I am saying.
I didn;t say its about being a "good person" . you are right, many good people get treated like door mats. I said, it starts with treating yourself "well". A person who treats themselves well, affords themselves the finer things in life and takes great and meticulous care with them.
When that becomes the way you treat the things and people in your life, and the gifts they give to you, including love and care, by treating with meticulous care and appreciation, people will be more then happy to give you more of it.
Why? Because they will see how much you will take care of and value their love and care for you.
That is what I meant by treating yourself well in life. Act as if you are one who does and one who does, affords themselves the finer things, appreciates them and takes meticulous good care of them. They know they deserve no less and show their worthiness to have these things finer things in life through their appreciation and care of them.
This is what we must do with the gifts of love and kindness others give to us if we wish for them to keep flowing in. Trample on such gifts , ruin them, be careless with them and treat them like shit and you can be sure, people will stop giving you things that are valuable to them.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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