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Phred
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Re: Order in English [Re: quillini]
#5752547 - 06/15/06 07:11 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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What do you think about the Patriot Act then?
This thread is not about the Patriot Act. If you wish to discuss the Act, bump one of the several dozen existing threads in this forum which discuss it.
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The people who say that gov't ought not to intervene with business owners are the same people who say the gov't has every right to crawl up your ass looking for "national security threats".
Those people have a firmer grasp of what constitutes a legitimate function of government than the Philadelphia city government does.
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Vvellum
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Actually, when the governmentd coddles those who don't speak english, it's far worse. No taxpayer money should be spent on such foolishness. Learn english or stay the fuck home.
where in the US constitution does it say that citizens must know English?
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Re: Order in English [Re: Vvellum]
#5752855 - 06/15/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where in the US consitution does it say that taxpayers are obligated to support those that don't?
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Seuss
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Re: Order in English [Re: Vvellum]
#5752858 - 06/15/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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> where in the US constitution does it say that citizens must know English?
Where in the US constitution does it say that store owners must be able to cater to both English and non-English speakers? This isn't about forcing people to speak English, it is about forcing people to speak languages OTHER than English. More to the point, it is about big government sticking their fingers into places that they shouldn't. Save me from extermists that want to kill me, but let me run my business as I please.
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Re: Order in English [Re: quillini]
#5752860 - 06/15/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The people who say that gov't ought not to intervene with business owners are the same people who say the gov't has every right to crawl up your ass looking for "national security threats".
Not true. I feel that business owners should be free from regulation from the most part, but at the same time want the gov't to stay out of my business.
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Re: Order in English [Re: Redstorm]
#5752863 - 06/15/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah that struck me as an odd statement. Many people who say the government shouldn't intefere with business owners have well thought-out and consistent beliefs based on a desire to increase individual liberties.
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Vvellum
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Re: Order in English [Re: Seuss]
#5753330 - 06/15/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Where in the US constitution does it say that store owners must be able to cater to both English and non-English speakers? This isn't about forcing people to speak English, it is about forcing people to speak languages OTHER than English. More to the point, it is about big government sticking their fingers into places that they shouldn't. Save me from extermists that want to kill me, but let me run my business as I please.
no need to get all huffy on me. please re-read my posts more carefully. I never supported any of the such.
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Re: Order in English [Re: Seuss]
#5755290 - 06/15/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seuss said: ......It wasn't too long ago that immigration officials were handing out new surnames along with entry into the new country.......
I have a friend who's entire family was renamed when they got here. He told me that they just went down the line and gave them new first names. They had no say in what they would be called. They did keep their real names as middle names, though.
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Re: Order in English [Re: Vvellum]
#5756204 - 06/16/06 03:08 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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bi0 said:
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Actually, when the governmentd coddles those who don't speak english, it's far worse. No taxpayer money should be spent on such foolishness. Learn english or stay the fuck home.
where in the US constitution does it say that citizens must know English?
I don't recall saying anything about the Constitution, but seeing as you brought it up......
where in the US constitution does it say that that non english speakers should be coddeled and treated differently?
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Re: Order in English [Re: Vvellum]
#5756263 - 06/16/06 04:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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> No need to get all huffy on me. please re-read my posts more carefully. I never supported any of the such.
Huffy? Isn't that a bicycle? It was a misreply, intended for Ythan, not you, bi0.
> where in the US constitution does it say that that non english speakers should be coddeled and treated differently?
Thats what I said! What language was the constitution written in again... Spanglishbonincs, if I remember incorrectly...
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How are they being "coddled" and treated "differently"
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Re: Order in English [Re: Basilides]
#5756370 - 06/16/06 06:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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If someone came in that spoke Zimbabwean and couldn't order, would you be upset with the store owner for not speaking zimbabwean? Or would you understand that the guy can't speak EVERY language and he's doing what he can to operate his business. His lack of speaking Zimbabwean will only hurt his business, if their are sufficient people turned away because the employees couldn't understand their jibberjabber. How is this a matter for the government?
Do you think that, to open a business, you should have to speak, and have your employees trained to converse in, ever language known to man, or do you think that you can offer the service that oyu want as you see fit and if people don'tl ike it or can't communicate with you, you'll either learn new languages to keep your business going or you'll go out of business?
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Re: Order in English [Re: Basilides]
#5756371 - 06/16/06 06:23 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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> How are they being "coddled" and treated "differently"
Oh, I'm sorry... you cant read or speak the language the constitution was written in... thats ok, I don't mind spending tax money to rewrite all the government forms in to two languages... and I don't mind that we spend money on schools that teach in your native langauge rather than defacto language used by everybody else... but I uderstand, you came here illegally and have special needs that the "rich" tax payers should cover for you... oh, don't worry about paying taxes... you have family back in your home country that needs that money...
When it costs me money because people that legally immigrate to my country refuse to learn the language of their new home, I start to get upset. I don't mind paying for schooling to teach legal immigrants the language and culture of their new home, but I will be damned if I am going to pay extra so that they can maintain their own culture out of laziness. They made the choice to move here. I will warmly embrace with open arms those that wish to become Americans. At the same time, I will give the quick boot to the greedy pricks that come for the money, but are unwilling to accept a change in culture.
Getting back on topic, for Phred... look at how much money it has cost because somebody that couldn't speak English got offended that an American business owner put up a sign asking the patrons to speak English when conducting business. Think of how much food could be purchased for the American needy that is instead wasted because non-English speaking immigrants are too damn greedy to learn the language spoken by the majority of the people where they choose to live.
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Re: Order in English [Re: Seuss]
#5756373 - 06/16/06 06:27 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seuss said: Oh, I'm sorry... you cant read or speak the language the constitution was written in... thats ok, I don't mind spending tax money to rewrite all the government forms in to two languages...
Why just two? What about people that speak French and come to America? Surely you wouldn't demand that they learn English. Rewrite it in all five hundred human languages and demand that every American speak every one of those languages before we are allowed to be citizens here. Of course, immigrants would be exempt from this ruling... we wouldn't want to be racist imperalist jingoist Americans!!
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When it costs me money because people that legally immigrate to my country refuse to learn the language of their new home, I start to get upset.
I bet that most people who support mandatory reeducation camps for the store owner, or whatever they want to do to punish the guy, probably are in the lower income brackets. Taxes to them mean "Dude I got a whoppin check for $600 man, lets go buy some bud and pizza!". Taxes to me mean that I'm dropping the cost of a new car, each year, into bullshit programs.
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Yet another reason immigrants should learn English.
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There's no such thing as a language called "Zimbabwean". Most people in Zimbabwe speak English.
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Re: Order in English [Re: Seuss]
#5756460 - 06/16/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Seuss if you run for president can I be your running mate? We'd have this country whipped into shape in no time.
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Re: Order in English [Re: Seuss]
#5756463 - 06/16/06 07:45 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I don't mind spending tax money to rewrite all the government forms in to two languages
Your comment is less rhetorical than you think:
A few years ago, a law was passed requiring that the Florida driver's license rule booklet be printed in English AND Spanish. Additionally, the practical driving test has to be available with Spanish-speaking examiners.
I won't even be surprised when the Florida legislature passes a law requiring road signs be bilingual too. How do you say 'yield' in Spanish anyway?
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Re: Order in English [Re: Diploid]
#5756725 - 06/16/06 09:53 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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How do you say "Cheesesteak" in Cherokee?
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Baby_Hitler said: How do you say "Cheesesteak" in Cherokee?
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