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Lucid Dreaming
    #5744566 - 06/13/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sorry if this is in the wrong forum but i just read something about it and i remembered a few lucid dreams I have had.

-Is anyone here able to fully control when they have lucid dreams? Any suggestions on how to have them?
-What is the craziest lucid dream you have had?

Anything else about lucid dreaming is welcome


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5744578 - 06/13/06 12:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Lucid dreaming is something that fascinates me. I have never been able to do so(i have bad dream recall). It's intrigues me, your basically a god of this reality, depending on how much control you have.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5744593 - 06/13/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is serious stuff. Your life and well being may depend on this decision, think it over...


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5744604 - 06/13/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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This is serious stuff. Your life and well being may depend on this decision, think it over...




how so, is it really that big of a thing?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: Phishe]
    #5744611 - 06/13/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It can be. Your messing with perception. You could EASILY get lost forever if you go farther then you are ready for. Too many people treat this kind of shit like a "game" for "fun". Then they soon loose their grip...


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5744613 - 06/13/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Lucid dreaming is something I'm quite familiar with. I started learning about it roughly five years ago and since then I have lucid dreams roughly once a month. The degree to which I can control the dreams varies wildly. I've been able to fly before, but I have had many experiences where it seems I become trapped inside a game of my own mind.

My first lucid dream ever I found myself in the money pit of Scrooge McDuck from Ducktales. The robber people (can't remember their names) were robbing him blind, and some female duck was hitting on me. I realized I was dreaming and told the robbers that thievery was unnecessary; it's all a dream. They nodded and stacks of cash began appearing in front of them, much to their satisfaction. I tried the same and it wouldn't work, and then I woke up.

I've had several lucid dreams that are more akin to horror movies than fastastic experiences in manipulating my subconscious. On several occasions, I have become trapped somewhere and then realized I was dreaming. One time the walls were closing in on me, and I said, "I'm dreaming. Open up walls!" I then woke up into another dream, and the walls again started closing in on me. This repeated several times before I eventually accepted that my subconscious wanted me to have a bad dream, and so I just lay still and let it happen until I woke. These "layered dreams" happen a couple of times each year, and with these lucid dreams I have absolutely no control -- just the knowledge that I'm in a transient dream.

Lucid dreaming's really cool, but sometimes really frustrating. The best book on the web if you can find it is called "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" by Laberge or something similar.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5744622 - 06/13/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not saying you shouldn't get into it, God knows we need more dreamers. What I am saying is that this is a serious thing. Come at it with unbending intent or don't come at all.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: ultramarv]
    #5744624 - 06/13/06 12:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well, i never really heard of lucid dreaming as being anything harmful. Im pretty sure its safe but whatever.

Theres a really good movie about it called "waking life" crazy, crazy movie.

I suggest everyone to read about it or to check it out.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: ultramarv]
    #5744630 - 06/13/06 12:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Lucid dreaming is something I'm quite familiar with. I started learning about it roughly five years ago and since then I have lucid dreams roughly once a month. The degree to which I can control the dreams varies wildly. I've been able to fly before, but I have had many experiences where it seems I become trapped inside a game of my own mind.

My first lucid dream ever I found myself in the money pit of Scrooge McDuck from Ducktales. The robber people (can't remember their names) were robbing him blind, and some female duck was hitting on me. I realized I was dreaming and told the robbers that thievery was unnecessary; it's all a dream. They nodded and stacks of cash began appearing in front of them, much to their satisfaction. I tried the same and it wouldn't work, and then I woke up.

I've had several lucid dreams that are more akin to horror movies than fastastic experiences in manipulating my subconscious. On several occasions, I have become trapped somewhere and then realized I was dreaming. One time the walls were closing in on me, and I said, "I'm dreaming. Open up walls!" I then woke up into another dream, and the walls again started closing in on me. This repeated several times before I eventually accepted that my subconscious wanted me to have a bad dream, and so I just lay still and let it happen until I woke. These "layered dreams" happen a couple of times each year, and with these lucid dreams I have absolutely no control -- just the knowledge that I'm in a transient dream.

Lucid dreaming's really cool, but sometimes really frustrating. The best book on the web if you can find it is called "Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming" by Laberge or something similar.




Can you go into another dream at will? Can you choose where you want to go? (in other words, are there some familiar dream-places that you can go back to when shit gets out of control?)


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5744633 - 06/13/06 12:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html

theres a pretty good faq about it. ^


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: Phishe]
    #5744650 - 06/13/06 12:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Well, i never really heard of lucid dreaming as being anything harmful. Im pretty sure its safe but whatever.

Theres a really good movie about it called "waking life" crazy, crazy movie.

I suggest everyone to read about it or to check it out.




Yes, I know the movie well, its really good. Lucid dreaming is safe, inorganic beings are unsafe. These things all depend on your level of awareness. If you are not very aware, you don't have anything to worry about (other entities wont care about your existence). If you are ultra aware you will be able to avoid most potential problems easily. But if you are somewhere in the middle, you will have to rely on your impeccability to help you survive the dreaming worlds. No man is born a God.

Its funny you say that your pretty sure its safe when you have no experience with it.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5744658 - 06/13/06 12:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Can you go into another dream at will? Can you choose where you want to go? (in other words, are there some familiar dream-places that you can go back to when shit gets out of control?)




If shit gets out of control I can just get really adamant that I want to wake and my accelerated heartrate and visceral functions will wake me up, but then a couple of moments later I'll realize that I'm in another dream. Repeating a couple of times will wake me up for real, but it's only gotten that bad a few times. When going from dream to dream, I have no control over where I'll find myself. There are certain environments though that I have been to in many dreams.

I no longer stress though if the dreams go bad. I sit down and submit to my subconscious, and I find it done and over with me awake quick enough. It seems that when this happens it's like my subconscious is looking for acknowledgement that indeed, it has control, lucidity or not. When I'm lucid and able to manipulate the dreams though (when, I suppose, the conscious and subconscious are one) it's extremely cool.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5744758 - 06/13/06 01:45 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Phishe said:
Well, i never really heard of lucid dreaming as being anything harmful. Im pretty sure its safe but whatever.

Theres a really good movie about it called "waking life" crazy, crazy movie.

I suggest everyone to read about it or to check it out.




Yes, I know the movie well, its really good. Lucid dreaming is safe, inorganic beings are unsafe. These things all depend on your level of awareness. If you are not very aware, you don't have anything to worry about (other entities wont care about your existence). If you are ultra aware you will be able to avoid most potential problems easily. But if you are somewhere in the middle, you will have to rely on your impeccability to help you survive the dreaming worlds. No man is born a God.

Its funny you say that your pretty sure its safe when you have no experience with it.




I have no experience, but i have read quite a bit about it and the dangers seem very harmless.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: Phishe]
    #5745111 - 06/13/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

craaaaaa- ze fool


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5745537 - 06/13/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Lucid dreaming is great, but can be hard. I have always been able to realize I am dreaming ever so often, but actually being able to do anything other than wake up at times when I am having a bad or frustrating dream was a bit hard at first. I would say read up on it a lot, decide what you want to use it for. Do you want to understand your dreams better? Just have fun in them? Find out things about yourself? etc. Once you have a goal it may be easier to notice, "oh there are a bunch a fish-birds coming out of the ground and going into the air....I must be dreaming." If you have a goal you might not just think you are dreaming, you may be able to also think I want to wake up and write this down, or I should follow them and watch carefully this might mean something, or better yet, I'm going to talk to these fish-birds before the dream is over.
I've heard a lot of people just try and do thinks they can't do in normal life, sort of trying out super powers they can think of. I prefer just realizing I'm dreaming and trying to interact or think about the imagery and where I want the dream to end up.
Good luck and maybe keep a journal to be aware of consistencies in dreams you might be able to notice while your sleeping(characters, setting s, themes).


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: clepto4peace]
    #5745558 - 06/13/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Also that last part might really help. Just finding something you know you always dream about...for example in dreams when I'm driving it is never good. Either my legs don't work or the break isn't there. A dozen different things can be wrong and I just cant slow down or steer. At first this was scary, but now it is always just a tip off that I am definitely dreaming. So I can happily relax and figure out what I want to do about it or wake up. Hope you have something like this to tip you off. If you watch Waking Life the main character has something to this effect (light switches).


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: clepto4peace]
    #5748825 - 06/14/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

EquilibriuM is spreading a load of FUD.  Lucid dreaming is totally natural and safe, and to believe otherwise is simple delusion.

I found out about lucid dreaming almost exactly one year ago, had my first only 4 days after and have since been having lucid dreams once every 4 or 5 days on average.  My personal method of induction is nothing more than hypnosis every now and then, but I do also keep a dream journal.

My first lucid dream was definitely a very powerful experience; being aware that the world that I am seeing clearly around me is nothing more than a creation of my mind, and appreciating the realness of the senses experienced within the dream.  I was also lucky, in that my first lucid dream lasted a good few minutes and I was able to successfully practice flying. :smile:

The experience left me with an afterglow that lasted several days.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: TurricaN]
    #5748963 - 06/14/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah OK.... Its not like your awareness can get stuck in a dream world or anything.  :rolleyes:


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5750087 - 06/14/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly. It cannot. Anyone who say's otherwise is a delusional retard who is talking a load of bollocks.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: TurricaN]
    #5750424 - 06/14/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Exactly. It cannot. Anyone who say's otherwise is a delusional retard who is talking a load of bollocks.




I say otherwise. I am not delusional or a retard. (Quite intelligent actually) It's all about your level of awareness. If you are not aware of the inorganic beings, then you have nothing to worry about. They are only interested in those who are aware. You have a mind to open and much to learn, better start getting to it chap.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5750694 - 06/14/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

maybe you can only get stuck if you believe you can. do people just get stuck in a dream and then there body never wakes up? until it dies in a couple weeks or something?


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: guitarman]
    #5751712 - 06/14/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

NO, just parts of your awareness. People that have fallen victim loose much of their awareness. Sure, they still "live" but not like they did before... More like drones lost in thought - less like people who live in the moment.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5751866 - 06/14/06 11:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Inorganic Beings we coexist with, that move energetically at a much lower speed than we do. Only through dreaming can we balance our energy sufficiently to see them."

"Inorganic beings "populate a world parallel to ours." They are "awareness that is not attached to a being but to an energetic concentration." In "dreaming," sorcerers have "tremendous interaction with them. Dreams are hatches that allow sorcerers to interact with inorganic beings. We use inorganic beings to take us to new levels of perception. The presence of inorganic beings is automatic; when we empty our minds of thoughts, they become bound to sorcerers by the same kind of affection that binds us to our pets. Then sorcerers start constructing the idea of inorganic beings in the image of creatures they know in this world."

"After finding the intruder in your dreams, you can stop and ask it where it comes from. The intruder is compelled to take your awareness to other worlds, stupendous worlds, a twin universe. "


"We only need energy. This is real, not theory, and as a practitioner, I say we can all do it. Eventually in dreaming, everything will shift. One day your attention becomes arrested or fixed by something in the dream, and you don't know why you won't be able to move until it releases you. Your attention is caught by an inorganic being. They have more awareness than us, but we have more energy. We are like powerful bullets of energy that burn brightly. They last forever and their awareness can hold us.

Now we will begin to hear the voice of the Emissary. It will answer any questions. When we hear its voice as a female, we are hearing its true voice. It is by nature female. Don't indulge yourself with the dream Emissary. Tell it to stay out of your affairs. Don't let it feed off you for free."



the inorganic beings are after our awareness. they fish for it. they are capable of catering to our desires, by pampering and indulging us.. Beware of awareness that is immobile.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5751892 - 06/14/06 11:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

For some reason a majority of my dreams are lucid. I have never really tried to make them that way, they just are. Nearly all the time I know that its a dream, and I explain it to the people around me, and even pinch myself saying it doesnt hurt, so i must be dreaming. Then I do crazy things like jump off cliffs or have sex with random people because I know its not real.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #5752176 - 06/15/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This probably isn't what your looking for but i thought i'd put it out there anyway. Theres an herb called mugwort which can help produce lucid dreams. These dreams aren't always good though so you have to be prepared for it to go either way. Has anyone tried this herb? because i'm interested in it but i myself have never smoked it.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: Ryan_12]
    #5752262 - 06/15/06 02:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've had lucids where I have flown (like superman or with a strange device), walked through a wall, made a car spawn right in front of me and in case of beautiful girl appearing in lucid dream I many times have gotten skin to skin :smile:

I had my first lucid when I was a kid.
I read the Finnish version of "Donald Duck magazine" where someone asked someone to pinch her to see if he was dreaming or not. Somehow I remembered this in my dream so I did this "reality test" in my dream, I pinched myself and felt no pain -"I'm dreaming!" I screamed in the dream and woke up I guess. I talked about my dream to my parents and friends but they thought its nothing special and I never had the idea that could control the dream from there on.. so I later forgot about "reality testing". But later on life I found this site about lucids and after just reading about the subject I had few lucids in the following nights.
So go ahead and read about the techniques and forums of lucid dreaming and you might end up having one lucid dream yourself the next night.



I think there is no danger.
The only real danger I can think of.. thou don't think its very likely  is the case when you are wake stage and you see something strange and think that you must be dreaming, then you might end up doing something you might do only in dreams which could lead into awkward situations or injury.  :grin: 
What do you think?

This talk about "inorganic beings"  .. wtf? just go sleep with a foil-hat on your head. The inorganic beings are graving for organic brains so this "inorganic barrier" (the foil-hat) keeps the beings from penetrating into your brain.  :smirk:


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5752391 - 06/15/06 05:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Exactly. It cannot. Anyone who say's otherwise is a delusional retard who is talking a load of bollocks.




I say otherwise. I am not delusional or a retard. (Quite intelligent actually) It's all about your level of awareness. If you are not aware of the inorganic beings, then you have nothing to worry about. They are only interested in those who are aware. You have a mind to open and much to learn, better start getting to it chap.



Please, do quote some references to research and examples of this, or explain how you actually came to learn this.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: bhamlaxy]
    #5752520 - 06/15/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have a lot of dreams where I become lucid as well...I don't seem to have any control tho


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5753086 - 06/15/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have had total control in numerous dreams. In one i was snowboarding and i realized i was in a dream so i started doing flips and all these crazy things and easily doing whatever i wanted, none the less it was awesome. Second one I was with some hot girl and i realized i was dreaming so we had sex. Third I was in class in high school and I realized it was a dream so i started telling the teacher off it was quite funny.

But alot of the time in the middle of the dream I will realize I am dreaming but get scared and i can't convince my self it is realy a dream. Like I will be like this is a dream I want to jump out that window but then Ill be like but what if it isnt a dream then I will die so i get scared and never do anything.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
    #5753240 - 06/15/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have lucid dreams all the time. I never realized people actually write books about them though. The first lucid dream i can remember i was with my parents going to buy a huge warehouse for some random reason. I then thought why would we be buying a warehouse, then i realized i was dreaming. so i got to the top and jumped off in an attempt to fly. I didn't make it the first try. But then i developed my own way of flying. I just lifted my arms and statred to take off. i flew around a town that i have never seen in real life and then i went to the ground. I got in a random car with some hot girl, and i fucked her in my dream. After that she disapeared. It was wierd. I did similar things and then woke up. Since then i have been having dreams where i realize i am dreaming and i can for the most part control things and people around me. It is pretty fun i guess. One other time i was having sex with some random girl and while i was still in her she turned into a bottle it was soo wierd. Funny how dreams work some times.


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: Rainman420]
    #5753627 - 06/15/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

everytime I become lucid in a dream I struggle to wake up(especially if its a nightmare) I then seem to get caught in a loop where I get outta bed(still dreaming tho) and try and flick on the light...lights never work in my dreams so when its dead I know I'm still dreaming...when I was a kid if I became lucid I would wake up emmediately(sp?) but not anymore...guess I should learn to just go with it


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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: Iamthewalrus]
    #5753643 - 06/15/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When I let emotion enter my dream, I usually wake up. I can almost always get back into the dream within a minute or so just by holding the images in my mind. Also when your dream gets bad, you can always switch dreams...


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OfflineTurricaN
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Re: Lucid Dreaming [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5757456 - 06/16/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

What EquilibriuM, so you're not going to confirm that your ideas are anything more than delusion with some actual references?


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