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OfflineSyd_barret
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Different Strain? What difference does it make?
    #574364 - 03/10/02 01:01 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, I asked this question a while back, but I cannot remember the replys I got.

Anyways, I want to know why some people say things like "OhhHhHH the GT strain gives such a great high, so many visuals." That's pretty common, I see many people praising the GT strain for its great visuals and amazing body high. I fail to see how GT can be different to B+, each strain has the same chemicals right? I mean shouldn't it just be a matter of chance whether or not it's a good high and you get visuals etc?


If someone can please explain this to me I'd be very grateful.



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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #574848 - 03/10/02 03:48 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

its a diffrent family....teachsdiffrent things...... :smile:


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: LCid]
    #574967 - 03/10/02 08:43 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone?

I'm very anxious to know because the last few times I have shroomed I got no visuals. They were B+


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #574995 - 03/10/02 09:40 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

You might be one of them "hard heads". How much have you been dosing?

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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #575006 - 03/10/02 09:49 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

i've heard that while all cubies have about the same levels of psilocybin and psilocin, the different strains have different levels of other psychoactive chemicals that will affect a trip, i may have heard wrong, and if it's not true, then maybe it's all in your head, i personally like the way Mazatapecs treat the body and mind.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #575014 - 03/10/02 09:58 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

SPECIES % PSILOCYBIN % PSILOCIN % BAEOCYSTIN REFERENCE
P. azurenscens 1.78 .38 .35 Stamets and Gartz 1995
P. bohemica 1.34 .11 .02 Gartz and Muller 1989; Gartz (1994)
P. semilanceata .98 .02 .36 Gartz 1994
P. baeocystis .85 .59 .10 Repke et al. 1977; Beug and Bigwood 1982(b)
P. cyanescens .85 .36 .03 Stijve and Kuyper 1985; Repke et al. 1977
P. tampanensis .68 .32 n/a Gartz 1994
P. cubensis .63 .60 .025 Gartz 1994; Stijve and de Meijer 1993
P. weilii .61 .27 .05
P. hoogshagenii .60 .10 n/a Heim and Hofmann 1958
P. stuntzii .36 .12 .02 Beug and Bigwood 1982(b); Repke et al. 1977
P. cyanofibrillosa .21 .04 n/a Stamets et al. 1980
P. liniformans .16 n/d .005 Stijve and Kuyper


Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World, Paul Stamets

And I am sure there are varying levels of each of the above listed chems in different strains of Cube. Can you notice the difference between smoking an indica strain or smoking a sativa strain? I can. THC is still the active ingredient in marijuana, but different plants give different highs.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #575015 - 03/10/02 09:59 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

The only kind of shrooms that i've tried and know the strain is B +, and I don't get many visuals either.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #575019 - 03/10/02 10:06 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

yeah, i can usually tell the difference between indica and sativa. dont think that was directed towards me tho, lol.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: hippy_lettuce]
    #575026 - 03/10/02 10:10 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

its the variouse akaloids tha cause the psilocybin and such to react with your brain differently. THere are hundreds of akaloids, so its would be very difficult to figure out which ones do what.



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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #575028 - 03/10/02 10:12 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

you can only tell th difference between inica an sativa? Icn also tellthe difference betwen variouse strains if sativa, and even the same strain of either grown indoor or out.

I'm a out man myself :-)


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Learyfan]
    #575032 - 03/10/02 10:15 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Actually Cannabis sativa and Cannabis indica are two different species, where as GT, B+, EC, etc.. are different strains/races of the same species, Psilocybe cubensis.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Lizard King]
    #575107 - 03/11/02 12:14 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Actually sativa and indica are not different species, since they can be crossed and produce viable seeds.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make [Re: Anno]
    #575116 - 03/11/02 12:23 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Hrm, both cannibis sativa and cannibis indica are members of the cannibis genus and then you have the sativa species and indica species, I believe, if the whole Latin naming scheme is consistent with every other plant, animal, fungus, mollusk, and so forth.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: MeltingPenguin]
    #575198 - 03/11/02 02:35 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

oh no, I can tell the difference between different types of sativas, outdoor/indoor crops, indicas, etc. too. i was tying to give a short yet easily relatable example.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #575235 - 03/11/02 03:56 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

So different strains do give different highs?
I just want to see if everyone agrees, if so I'm not going to grow B+ anymore.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make [Re: Judeoslav]
    #575241 - 03/11/02 04:07 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Sativa and Indica are different strains of the species Cannabis Sativa. I don't know why they decided to name a strain the same as the species, but it's definitely all the same species.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make [Re: Smokemon]
    #575314 - 03/11/02 06:00 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

I thought about that when I wrote that reply anno. The whole taxonomy thing confuses me, I don't understand what it takes for something to be considered a seperate specie.

What about Papaver somniferum and Papaver giganthemum, they can be crossed and often are, but they are considered seperate species. Papaver orientale and Papaver somniferum are also capable of crossing but are considered two distinctly different species. Does the ability to cross pollinate automatically mean they are the same species??



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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #575403 - 03/11/02 08:14 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Different strains do give different highs some are more body buzz some are more visual some have alot of anxiety to em some have very little anxiety some have a speedy buzz and some are nice and mellow.
The Thai ks are really speedy strong but not unpleasant body buzz. Mazatapecs are nice and visual with a great body high not all speedy or overwhelming.
Mexi cubensis are nice and smooth too good visuals with a liitle less body buzz then Mazatapecs and a little less visual.
Ecuadors nice and potent great visuals and kind of a silly feeling a liitle to strong for me though.
Each is different and I'm sure each will be different for every person.
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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Syd_barret]
    #575410 - 03/11/02 08:24 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

There are other alkaloids that react with psilocybin/psilocin such as aeruginocine, trytophan, baeocystin and nor-baeocystin.
Stamets quotes the findings of Stijve and De Meijer(1993) who found .15% psilocybin and .50% psilocin in a domesticated Mexican cubensis variety and .15% psilocybin and .33% psilocin in a domesticated Amazonian strain.
That to pretty much confirms my person belief that different cubensis spore-races do have not only unique fruiting characteristics, but also unique alkaloid contents and psychology.
If i had two words for each of these strains in terms of my experiences of their psychology (all grown off millet):
Treasure Coast : nasty and lazy!!
Ecuadors : potent and mindfuck!!
B+ : weirdness and giggles
PF CLassics: visual and sickly
Mazatapecs: Visual AND vibe
Golden Teacher: potent and warm
Tassies: heaven and hell
PRs : total confusion.

Some i found pretty similar - others i found very unique (such as tassies and mazas)


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: Zen Peddler]
    #575416 - 03/11/02 08:34 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

Bluemeanie- what about the pans? how would you describe them, jsut curious to know.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: CuckoosNest]
    #575467 - 03/11/02 10:05 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

pans are a lot more potent than cubies - and a lot cleaner in my opinion.
Psilocybe Cyanescens, Psilocybe Subaeruginosa, Psilocybe Australiana are all another catagory again - they make cubensis look non-active :-)


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make? [Re: psilocybinjunkie]
    #575489 - 03/11/02 10:27 AM (20 years, 6 months ago)

As an experienced tripper, I honestly could not make such a statement as every trip is so completely different and the emotions and changes are so drastic, that I could not attribute my reactions to a specific strain.

Your observations may be true, but a double-blind test needs to be done to determine the veracity of the different strains / different buzz hypothesis.

Perhaps a group of shrooming friends will care to test this. To do this experiment properly, several conditions would have to be met:

1. All strains should be grown by the same cultivator(s) on the same substrate and under the same temperature and humidity conditions.

2. One person in the group needs to be the moderator. Only he/she will know which strains are which and should avoid tripping with the group for the duration of the experiment.

3. All the shrooms should be ground to powder (so that there are no visual clues as to its identity) and measured in exact doses. The doses may vary from person to person, but not from trip to trip.

4. Trips should be spaced two weeks apart to minimize tolerance effects.

5. A standardized questionaire needs to be filled out, or the answers verbally given to the moderator if the tripper cannot write, at specific times in the trip, with a subjective essay immediately after the trip and a final overview the next day.

6. The set and setting needs to be the same. I suggest no external stimuli such as movies or music as these can affect mood and color the outcome.

I would suggest a minimum of 4 strains and at least 4 trippers (more is better!).

Unless some group is willing to do this, this debate will rage for decades and will always be speculative.


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Re: Different Strain? What difference does it make [Re: Lizard King]
    #575602 - 03/11/02 03:24 PM (20 years, 6 months ago)

>What about Papaver somniferum and Papaver giganthemum, they can be crossed and often are, but they are considered seperate species

I am almost certain that P. giganthemum is a sub-species of somniferum. Where'd you hear they were considered seperate?

>Does the ability to cross pollinate automatically mean they are the same species??

Hell no. If they had to be the same species, "cross-pollinate" would be an oxymoron. I guess any plants with a close enough genetic match could be crossed. But as for what it takes for a plant to be considered a seperate species, I don't have a clue. I think it's based mostly on flower morphology, tho' this obviously doesn't mean much for mushrooms or non-flowering plants.

Remember, taxonomy doesn't "really" exist. It's just a system of classification botanists use so that they know what one another are talking about. Some of it seems pretty arbitrary to me, not to mention counter-productive -- now that the genus Trichocereus no longer exists, who's going to know that Echinopsis lageniformis (or something) is synonymous with Tr. bridgesii?

Edit: Smokemon, do you have a reference for Cannabis indica being considered a variety of sativa? Everything I've read says they're two distinct species.


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