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Offlineleery11
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Sheeps in wolves clothing.
    #5742463 - 06/12/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If the messiah (or lets simplify it and say a beautifully intelligent person who wants to fix things) came back no one would listen to him if he weren't in the media. Consequently it is those feasting on electric soma that need saving the most.....

Jesus hung out with thieves and rapists and whores right? He didn't care about the normal people that were on the more or less right track.....

The media however is a terrible and repungent little place to be. In order to be on it you must be a reflection of it, at least, on the surface.

They say beware wolves in sheeps clothing, and with good reason.

But are there sheep in wolves clothing?

Does anyone know what I mean?


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: leery11]
    #5742518 - 06/12/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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leery11 said:
If the messiah (or lets simplify it and say a beautifully intelligent person who wants to fix things) came back no one would listen to him if he weren't in the media. Consequently it is those feasting on electric soma that need saving the most.....

Jesus hung out with thieves and rapists and whores right? He didn't care about the normal people that were on the more or less right track.....

The media however is a terrible and repungent little place to be. In order to be on it you must be a reflection of it, at least, on the surface.

They say beware wolves in sheeps clothing, and with good reason.

But are there sheep in wolves clothing?

Does anyone know what I mean?




I know what you mean, and I've though about that.
Sometimes you have to pretend to be worse than you are in order to communicate.

How do you try and convert a wild blowjob party into a peacefull meditation congregation?
Well you don't come in robes and start chanting.
You come all sexy with a beer in your hand and start slowly placing a bug into people's ears.

The sicret is the difference treshold of people's perception.
That's the same way people got corrupted in the first place.
Nobody came one day and said: hey let's all be consumer materialists that support world domination politics.
It happened slowly, decade by decade.

If you go in little steps that are below treshold of perception of difference, then people won't notice what you are doing.
First you act as if you are just like them, then they accept you, then you show little examples, then they accept that as "slight difference", then you go further.
Before you know it, you changed them from head to toe.

Another approach is overloading their senses with pleasure, but not hedonistic.
Be nice to them, nobody reacts bad to that, show them that you care about them, nobody rejects that, give them little gifts, nobody rejects chockolate, touch them, everyone loves the warmth of a human touch etc. You will connect that way, and they get soft and you can change them with ease because you are healing the wound that made them turn all bad in the first place. The wound is lack of communication, lack of care and love, and if you restore it to them, you will heal them.

The biggest mistake religions make is they come to your door and say:
you are WRONG! And you are bad, and worthless, so do something about it. Of course, natural reaction is going to be defense.

the first thing you have to say to a person you are trying to heal is: "i love you", after that all other words sound sweet, even "you are wrong", otherwise your "healing" is going to be percieved as an atempt to control them


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5742578 - 06/12/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

wow. very so.

I was more withdrawn especially around males emotionally for a while. I ran into this guy and kept running into him through synchronicity. He pretty much did that to me.

My first, very first, impression of him was that he was some gruff masculine show-offy type.... and I judged him. And I was so completely wrong. Because we kept running into each other and talked a little bit more and more. And I realized that he was constantly showing me love, always..... it just took a long time for it to dawn on me.

He moved but anyway, you explain the process very well.

I at times in the past felt like just going Brave New World on the people and taking their soma (TV, ipods, etc) away and just screaming YOU AREN'T FREE!!! YOU AREN'T FREE! and that's where you get it wrong....


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I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo!

....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (06/12/06 04:53 PM)


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: leery11]
    #5742628 - 06/12/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if the "messiah came back"
he would be a sheep in wolves clothing yes

and here is the reason why


it is easy to preach about god and gather followers
anyone can do that

so what the good preacher does is sets up tests of his followers
tests which are naturally divine.

for example he might work a miracle on the sabbath.
or teach women, when that is not permitted by the culture.

or destroy the temple

or do things to test faith

etc....

he will appear to be a wolf, to scare away those who aren't true to the love inside everything

does that makes sense?
i'm tired and stoned


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: leery11]
    #5742634 - 06/12/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

I at times in the past felt like just going Brave New World on the people and taking their soma (TV, ipods, etc) away and just screaming YOU AREN'T FREE!!! YOU AREN'T FREE! and that's where you get it wrong....




This is why I've learned to keep my mouth shut until the right time comes. When it does, hopefully, I won't be labeled "insane" and placed into an assylum.


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: demiu5]
    #5742673 - 06/12/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus would come back as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

He would act as though he were one of them, and then, in the appropriate moment, he would reveal himself, and lash away at their preconceived notions, the disease afflicting them...

:grin:

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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5742711 - 06/12/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Jesus would come back as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

He would act as though he were one of them, and then, in the appropriate moment, he would reveal himself, and lash away at their preconceived notions, the disease afflicting them...

:grin:

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Accoarding to revelations, that's the description of Antichist.
The Christ would return in the most obvious way, and he would return not to heal (he did that the first time), but to take those who have been healed, and leave the rest.

The antichist would chose the method I described, he would slowly get under peoples skin by ending hunger, giving world peace etc. and finally proclaim to be their god


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5742719 - 06/12/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

And where exactly is he going to take them? After all, they are already healed...

Jesus will return as the Clear Light of Unmitigated Reality, dissolving all impurities that obscure and thus serve as a detriment to ourself and our experience and navigation/propagation of reality... Jesus will return with no clothing at all....


.....which is actually a turn-on. Mmmm.... :wink:

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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5742748 - 06/12/06 05:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
And where exactly is he going to take them? After all, they are already healed...





to the place where he came from, so that they are not harmed in the final armagedon, when the dust lays down, he will return them along with resurrected dead.

And yes, after that, those poeple will be free to walk naked because the original corrupion that led to shame would be finally corrected, though I think simple clothing has its purpuses


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5742783 - 06/12/06 05:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds... imaginative. :wink:

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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5742808 - 06/12/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well you mentioned Jesus so I'm just telling the story of Jesus as it goes


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5744150 - 06/12/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

fireworks_god said:
And where exactly is he going to take them? After all, they are already healed...





to the place where he came from




Oh that sounds exciting, where is it?!


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: dblaney]
    #5744832 - 06/13/06 03:18 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

We are all wolves.

We are all canisters of self.

Inside of us all is a shining spark of divinity.

Next to that spark is a sheep.

And next to it, sheepdroppings.

The sheep casts a big shadow in the shape of a wolf.

You are this shadow. Playing with poop.

Jesus, the figure, the icon, the meaning ... will return as an interconnection between the shadow-wolves. The idea will live inside of us simultaniously, the idea will be lived out by us all at the same time. One, as many. (like Gomp would've put it)

The shadow-wolves, when in great numbers - can chase the sheep of divine light back into the light where it came from.

It is the wolves instinct to chase and kill sheep.

It is the sheeps instinct to run from wolves.

It is the piece of craps instinct to just lay there and smell.

The sheep doesn't know. The light doesn't know. The wolves doesn't know. The shit doesn't know.

I know.

It is an inevitable plan. Everything must be this way.


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5744970 - 06/13/06 06:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Jesus would come back as a wolf in sheep's clothing.

He would act as though he were one of them, and then, in the appropriate moment, he would reveal himself, and lash away at their preconceived notions, the disease afflicting them...

:grin:

:earth: :sun: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:




Accoarding to revelations, that's the description of Antichist.
The Christ would return in the most obvious way, and he would return not to heal (he did that the first time), but to take those who have been healed, and leave the rest.

The antichist would chose the method I described, he would slowly get under peoples skin by ending hunger, giving world peace etc. and finally proclaim to be their god




this appears to contradict your first post...

If the people are led astray by even the churches they go (led into fascism and hate and fear that is) then how do they find "redepmtion" if not for going into the shadow and finding that there is actually love and inspiration within it?

The anti-christ movement involves fascism and subserviance by force, sort of a black magick miracle kind of thing doesn't it? Isn't it said that those who refuse the mark will be killed? That does not sound like a man pretending to be normal (as in corrupted) then gradually healing the whole planet.

Trust is a complicated thing when you dig beneath the surface and claims things to not be as they seem.

Jesus even says, when accused of being a demon, that demons do not heal the sick.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (06/13/06 06:11 AM)


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: leery11]
    #5745077 - 06/13/06 08:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus just left chicago and hes bound for new orleans.
Well now, jesus just left chicago and hes bound for new orleans.
Yeah, yeah.
Workin from one end to the other and all points in between.

Took a jump through mississippi, well, muddy water turned to wine.
Took a jump through mississippi, muddy water turned to wine.
Yeah, yeah.
Then out to california through the forests and the pines.
Ah, take me with you, jesus.

You might not see him in person but hell se you just the same.
You might not see him in person but hell se you just the same.
Yeah, yeah.
You dont have to worry cause takin care of business is his name.

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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5745685 - 06/13/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ahh, that is nice :heart: Who is zz ?


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5746568 - 06/13/06 05:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

So i see two definite sides, ones with the light and ones that try to steal the light.

Or ones who think they have light while the others try and steal their false glory.

Those that feel their light can be taken, while other feel their light can be untouched.

I have the light and the dark, none can bear witness to either.

Yet still I have the trueness of each sides both recognized.

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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: leery11]
    #5746869 - 06/13/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've always considered myself a good person who dresses in black.

people who mistake sheep for wolves because of how they present themselves are short-sighted bigots. Plain and simple.

For example: Marilyn Manson. He puts out a lot of wierd videos and angry music. People are quick to point their finger and say: 'what an evil man!'

But anyone who has ever seen him in an interview knows that he is quite intelligent and well-spoken, and seems to have good intentions despite his eccentric tastes in aesthetics.

Of course, I don't know the man personally, or how he behaves behind closed doors, and I'm sure he's made a few mistakes (we all have), but deep down inside, I don't think he's evil. A little screwed up by his upbringing perhaps, but not evil.

But still, people love to play the blame game and point fingers at ol Marilyn. They can't see past things as trivial as fashion, music, words, and imagery, to realize that Manson has the white light of God inside of him, just as the rest of us do. Just because his interpretation is a little different, we call him wrong. But no one is entirely wrong, any more than anyone is entirely right.

So, perhaps we all wear clothing derived from many animals, all of which are God's creatures, and none of which are right or wrong, but merely varying shades of the same color.


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Re: Sheeps in wolves clothing. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #5749133 - 06/14/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Everyone who is together with Dita von Teese can not be that a bad guy :grin:


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