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Lowest fruiting temp.
    #5740845 - 06/12/06 06:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Just wondering what is the lowest temp you've ever seen/heard for a succsesful fruiting stage?

winter has just hit where i live and i'm worried i might need to heat my terranium as i'm deffinetly not maintaining a high 70's temp., its only 63F right now.


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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5740855 - 06/12/06 07:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

eh, i think 68 is the reccomended lowest if u know what i mean. They will still fruit at lower i think but just much slower.
Search about, similar post was up not that long ago.


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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: zeegos]
    #5741196 - 06/12/06 10:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Below is an outdoor flush when the temperatures were in the low fifties during the day, and dropping to the low forties at night.

Never heat a terrarium. If you do, the warm air in the terrarium and the cool air outside will cause your substrate moisture to puke out in order to form condensation on the sides of your terrarium. If you DO need to heat, heat the room the project is in, not the terrarium.
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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5742293 - 06/12/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeh i had read a few posts and teks saying to never heat the terranium (and a few others that seem to swear by it) but i didnt consider heating the room, thanks RR.


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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5742323 - 06/12/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I just started to use a no heat environment,

Well since it summer now,

It has been a little slower, though I am in no hurry,


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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: Snaggletooth]
    #5742416 - 06/12/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've fruited at less than 60F. It just takes FOREVER. It was in the winter and our furnace was screwed up. The flushes were taking about 2-3 weeks each.


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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #5742987 - 06/12/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeh that sounds like my situation john. the overnight temps get below 60 and i've had a cake in my terranium for 15 days without it showing any visible signs (that i can tell) of myc growth or pinning, except a small amount of very fine fuzzy myc showing up on the top and sides in the past couple of days.







i put a heater on in my room this morning but it isn't very strong so i have had to pretty much aim it at the terranium which has raised the temp to high 70's but is noticeably decreasing the humidity (i've sprayed 3 times already today, in addition to the perlite and large air-stone humidification).

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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5743362 - 06/12/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Low 70's is perfect. Don't aim the heater at the terrarium. Perhaps your post will help to disprove the myth that you need to cold shock cubes, huh?
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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5748627 - 06/14/06 04:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

PINS!! On inspection tonight my cake has (what i think is) pins growing on the top and in different spots around the side.

this is after heating my room for the past 2 days trying to keep its temp to around 76F, in reality it probably avg'd bout 71F

Finally, after 17 days in my terranium!! if anyone can confirm the identity of the white spots on the top of this cake as pins...



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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5748797 - 06/14/06 06:52 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

They're primordia, the birth of pins. Don't mist them directly. Congratulations!
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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5765913 - 06/18/06 11:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

was hoping the primordia would grow quicker than this..





photos taken 5 days after previous ones.

the change in size of the primordai from the last pics is barely even visible.

i guess it's due to the low temp. in my FC??...


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Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5774879 - 06/21/06 12:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the pinheads on the top of my cake have grown to a size of only 2 or 3mm and turned completely grey in the week since i noticed them show up. plenty more tiny pure-white pinheads have shown up too but they also seem to turn grey and stop growing (after growing extremely slowly). 

my humidity is high, i have a bubbler running in the bottom 24/7 for FAE as well as briefly hand fanning at least twice a day and the temp will rarely go below 68F

has anyone experienced this or know whats going on? should i just abandom hope for the cake or is there something i can tweak?

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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5774899 - 06/21/06 12:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Don't they have heat where you live?

Your pics are kinda fuzzy. Look closely at the grey and try to tell if it's a contam or not. Hard to say from the pics.


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: fastfred]
    #5774971 - 06/21/06 12:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

no, heating isn't very common where i live. it's winter now and wont get much colder than what it is. i was using a small heater to heat my room (still do at night), but it seemed to drain RH a fair bit.

sorry bout the pics i'm getting a lot of repflection off the top of the cake. here are a couple i took just now..






as for wether there's contam i'm not sure. one pin has a small bulbous head on it thats nothing like i've ever seen on a pin that size (not that i've seen many)

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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5775020 - 06/21/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Have you been using peroxide on them?


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: fastfred]
    #5775094 - 06/21/06 01:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Have you been using peroxide on them?






no i havent, should i be? do u think there is cobweb mold present or something?


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5775338 - 06/21/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No, I wouldn't use it. Peroxide will cause myc to grey and stunt it somewhat, so I thought you might have been using it.

I don't know what to tell you except wait and see what happens. If they've been in there 17+ days then they'll probably flush soon. It looks like it's starting to pin, the primordia is clearly visible. Just give it some more time.


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: fastfred]
    #5775350 - 06/21/06 02:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

alright, cheers FF.

i figured that was the best bet, just thought i'd check to c if anyone else had been through something similar and new how to kick things along a bit.


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5775357 - 06/21/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

dont mist them directly. i do not have any cake experience but 17 days would annoy me. what I do is set up a mini greenhouse around my setup and put a heater in there. that way its not heating the whole room but a mini room. works great for me after casing. Grey pins do not sound good. You may switch over to iodine. get some filtered or boiled water. Add 2-3 drops iodine and it should be good for a long time. I am not gonna use peroxide anymore since Iodine works for a much longer time span. hmmmm rh being affected that heavily by a heater is odd. you might try getting a bigger air pump or using a cool mist. you also may not have enough FAE to form pins. I had that problem on the last grow. Lots of mushies but they were twisting and splitting do to high co2 rates


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: JSshroom]
    #5775395 - 06/21/06 03:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i'll keep that in mind, thanks JS


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5775477 - 06/21/06 05:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If it has formed primordia that don't want to grow, check your moisture. You might need to dunk. If the cake took a long time to pin, there's a chance most of the moisture has evaporated out.
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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5775526 - 06/21/06 05:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks RR. How should i check the cake's moisture? I've never come across any information on that.

If i dunk the cake it will drown the primordia currently growing but rehydrate the cake so that more can grow efficiently, is that correct?

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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5775579 - 06/21/06 06:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

is injecting the cake with a syringe of water another viable option?
Heard that mentioned in a post before.


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5775605 - 06/21/06 06:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

No. it will not evenly distribute the water. Just pick off the existing primordia which may have aborted anyway for lack of what heat issues or direct misting. Follow hippie3 bleach dunk tek and re-initiate. If your fc is a tub you may try making it into a TIT. Not the cheapest but I have seen it work before


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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: JSshroom]
    #5775654 - 06/21/06 06:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Wait. Do NOT pick off primordia. Go ahead and dunk if you're not sure because it can help and certainly can't hurt. Pins will often double or triple in size during an overnight dunk and begin growing again. Just put your cake in cold water overnight and use something to hold it under water. A large jar with a lid works well, or you can leave it under gently running water in your sink for ten to twelve hours. The reason for using cold water is to prevent bacteria growth during the time the substrate is under water.
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Re: Pins grew to 2mm then stopped [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5775665 - 06/21/06 07:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Some people just throw them in the fridge in a rubbermaid. I have heard of people poking whole in dunked casings to get the water to fully permeate. I think the max dunk time is 24 hrs but not sure. I guess the primordia can grow under water? I just figured it would about since over misting caused them to about..or is that more in the pinning stage?


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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5776040 - 06/21/06 10:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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yeh i had read a few posts and teks saying to never heat the terranium (and a few others that seem to swear by it) but i didnt consider heating the room, thanks RR.



IME, I find that when my terrarium is heated during the winter, I get the best flushes. When the heat is on during the summer, I get horrible flushes. So I guess the new saying should be to use heating when necessary.


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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: Jon]
    #5776634 - 06/21/06 01:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks guys, i will dunk overnight tonight.

I'm not horribly concerned if this cake doesn't fruit (not that i dont like mushrooms :smile: ), i just want to make sure i can build a sufficient environment in my FC to induce fruiting for when my next 10 BRF cakes are ready to be birthed.

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Re: Lowest fruiting temp. [Re: soma_seeker]
    #5776681 - 06/21/06 01:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sorry, i forgot to ask if you recommend i roll in oven-cooked verm after dunking? i asssume so as this is standard practice. i did it initially after birthing.

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