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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5742845 - 06/12/06 06:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Which makes those protests at service members funerals even more disgusting.




Very poor example imo.

They are not protesting a war, they are trying to spread homophobia under the guise of religion while using the war as a scapegoat.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5742916 - 06/12/06 06:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Most sane, ethical people oppose the war at this point.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5742921 - 06/12/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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dont even lump those wacko bible-thumpers in with the anti-war movement. they are not related.





Bullshit. They are against the war. Even if they are a subset. Just because you dont agree with WHY they protest the war, does not make them anti war protesters.




Westboro Baptists are basically Wahhabi Christians. They could care less about the Iraq war, they just like to see America suffer.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Basilides]
    #5742965 - 06/12/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Most sane, ethical people oppose the war at this point.




Not all of them


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5743048 - 06/12/06 06:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The Iraq invasion had no class.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Basilides]
    #5743179 - 06/12/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It is pretty funny for people to critique a war in such a short period of time. It has been 3 to 4 years.....in my opinion it is way to early to tell if the decision was right or wrong. History will tell the real tale. If we had the media coverage we do now, would people have backed WW2?


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5743227 - 06/12/06 07:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

WWII involved a country that was invading its neighbors left and right in a very sudden period of time.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Basilides]
    #5743645 - 06/12/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

*two nations, actually.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5743763 - 06/12/06 09:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Whatever


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Basilides]
    #5743879 - 06/12/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What about Japan? We dropped a fucking nuke on them. Look at the country now compared to then.....

What I am eluding too is that NO ONE knows if this war is right or wrong.....its too early to tell.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5744143 - 06/12/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_ends_justify_the_means

yes, we do not know how things will turn out. all we can do is look at the past and the present.

the reasons for invading iraq: bullshit
the amount of lies and hype needed to manufacture consent: many
progress in iraq so far: questionable

so far, not so good.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5744771 - 06/13/06 01:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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There is one. It is just not as vocal and vociferous as the anti-Vietnam war movement.




Why isn't it though? Its not sufficient to just be against the war, there needs to be anti-war demonstrations, the people need to show that they aren't okay with what the government is doing. You're dreaming if you think that politicians will make their decisions simply based on popular opinion. Their needs to be popular action for the people to be heard. Are Americans scared to protest in the streets? Are they too lazy to do so? Don't have time? Why aren't people getting fired up for this. Look how the french got fired up just for the reform of a labor law. Nothing would've changed if people hadn't taken it to the streets.

If a majority of americans are against the war, I would expect huge anti-war movements. Explain to me why this isn't the case?


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5744783 - 06/13/06 02:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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in my opinion, the anti-war movement is not as radical or conspicious as, say, the vietnam anti-war movement. it is more community-based and focused on changing the minds of our representatives in the government, persuading (or shaming) corporations that profit from war, and raising funding.




IMO, those are rather hopeless actions. It might have some effect, but very little.

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I think this is the correct way for the current situation. standing in the street being loud and holding signs only does so much - the police know how to lock you into "protest zones" and the media always lies. the current movement is working from within the system for change rather than trying to tear everything down.




I think you're underestimating the effects of huge protests. Having hundreds of thousands of people in the street is a way of forcing the government to take a look at what the population thinks. Its much stronger than having the statistics of public opinion on a piece of paper. Politicans simply cannot disregard these kind of actions, they are forced to react. And huge protests aren't about tearing everything up, they're about uniting, and everyone knows that power is in the numbers.

And who cares if police has a special "protesters' zone", it won't change the number of protesters. And the media can't lie about a protest, they can only report back to the population, which can only be a good thing.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5744791 - 06/13/06 02:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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What about Japan? We dropped a fucking nuke on them. Look at the country now compared to then.....

What I am eluding too is that NO ONE knows if this war is right or wrong.....its too early to tell.




This is a horrible logic. It might even be a cognitive distortion. So basically anyone can invade anyone and say "History will tell whether this was the right thing to do".


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Basilides]
    #5744816 - 06/13/06 02:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

lol. ya i think that's basically what he's saying!

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5744841 - 06/13/06 03:26 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

we have had major demonstrations, and well, most people seem to have realized that they are kind of a waste of time and would rather devote their energy into something more productive. seriously, no one cares if there are thousands of people in the streets.

standing in the streets shouting and holding signs accomplishes nothing.

networking and organizing and fund raising and putting pressure on corporations and elected officials accomplishes alot more. sure it's not as sexy and immediately gratifying as a demonstration, but we're interested in sustainable change not posing.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5748376 - 06/14/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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seriously, no one cares if there are thousands of people in the streets.




Well if everyone starts thinking like that, i'm not surprised that there aren't any people in the streets. Of course people care if there are hundreds of thousands of protesters, and not only people in the government, but the whole american population and the the rest of the world as well. The political and social effects of protests are not nigligible, they put direct pressure on decision makers, and they get media attention which definitely has an effect on public opinion.



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networking and organizing and fund raising and putting pressure on corporations and elected officials accomplishes alot more.




Good luck with that...

Seems that this involves only a handful of people though. What does the rest do to express their discontentment? They just place all their hopes on this handful of people and they just wait and see what happens? Ya man, that's what I call getting fired up for a cause!


Seriously, take a look at your history. "The vietnam antiwar movement had a great impact on policy and practically forced the US out of Vietnam." How can you say that movements are useless?

Read up: http://www.studyworld.com/Antiwar_Movement.htm


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5748384 - 06/14/06 02:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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It is probably a mix of fear, apathy and blinded patriotism. Some against the war are afraid of what speaking out against it would cause to their personal lives. Even more just don't care what's going on in the world, they have their own little universe. Then I'd wager the smallest portion are just flag waving good hearted people who have been swept up in 9/11 and just wont listen to any evidence that could possibly make them question their stance.




I'm starting to believe that you're right. This is the only plausible answer I've gotten so far. America's asleep. They're hypnotized by fear, television, and blind patriotism. The hawks are free to roam the earth...


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Basilides]
    #5748643 - 06/14/06 05:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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What about Japan? We dropped a fucking nuke on them. Look at the country now compared to then.....

What I am eluding too is that NO ONE knows if this war is right or wrong.....its too early to tell.




This is a horrible logic. It might even be a cognitive distortion. So basically anyone can invade anyone and say "History will tell whether this was the right thing to do".






Thats not my logic!

There has been only 365 years of ALL recorded history , were there has not been a major conflict or war. War is chaos and unpredictable. It is unfortunately a human trait, and inevitable.

What I referring to was arm chair generals like yourself, predicting doom and glum over a war that doesn't even have 2,500 American deaths. This war historically, is in its infancy.

The battles of WW2 gave us causalities of over 6,000 in less then 2 weeks.

Did the world become a better place after World War 2?

IMO yes.

Did it take four years to achieve?

No


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5749097 - 06/14/06 10:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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America's asleep. They're hypnotized by fear, television, and blind patriotism.




:lol:

That's why President Bush has like a 30% approval rating.  That's why a majority of Americans when polled think that the Iraq war was a mistake.

I think there is some fear of repeating the disgusting actions of the anti-Vietnam War movement.  People disagree with the war but want to honor the troops.  They don't want troops getting spit on and shit like that (which happened when they came home from Vietnam).

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