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Offlineexclusive58
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Where is the anti-war movement?
    #5740721 - 06/12/06 04:16 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Enlighten me.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5740732 - 06/12/06 04:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Writing a lab report while drinking some scotch thinking about how irrelevent everything is

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: TheCow]
    #5740801 - 06/12/06 06:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There is none of any significance.


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I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? *DELETED* [Re: exclusive58]
    #5740832 - 06/12/06 06:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: faslimy]
    #5740834 - 06/12/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Angels on the sideline,
Puzzled and amused.
Why did Father give these humans free will?
Now they're all confused.

Don't these talking monkeys know that Eden has enough to go around?
Plenty in this holy garden, silly monkeys
Where there's one you're bound to divide it
Right in two

Angels on the sideline,
Baffled and confused.
Father blessed them all with reason,
And this is what they choose?

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they forge a blade
And where there's one they're bound to divide it
Right in two

Monkey killing monkey killing monkey over pieces of the ground.
Silly monkeys give them thumbs they make a club,
And beat their brother down.
How they survive so misguided is a mystery.
Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability,
To lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5740920 - 06/12/06 08:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The majority oppose the war by now. There's no longer a need for a "movement."


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5740988 - 06/12/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There is one. It is just not as vocal and vociferous as the anti-Vietnam war movement.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5741429 - 06/12/06 11:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> It is just not as vocal and vociferous as the anti-Vietnam war movement.

Nor should it be... at least not against the troops... be as vocal as you want to the politicians, but the soldiers are as much a victim of over zealous politicians as anybody else.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5741438 - 06/12/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Good question. It's a strange situation. The vast bulk of the UK population were against the war to begin with so an "anti-war" movement is basically the majority of people in the country.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Alex213]
    #5741643 - 06/12/06 12:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:thumbup:

What Alex said.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5741798 - 06/12/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

where I live (blue state), there are organizers everywhere canvasing and holding forums. there are small demonstrations in front of war-related corporations on a regular basis (lockheed martin headquarters for example). there are many neighborhood groups that organize together as well as hold vigils. whenever some politician comes into town (like cheney), he always receives a warm welcome. there is alot of anti-war and union interface.

ever so often there are large demonstrations. some of the largest demonstrations since the vietnam era have been in the last few years. but these mega-demonstrations are far and few between and hardly the focus of the movements' work.

in my opinion, the anti-war movement is not as radical or conspicious as, say, the vietnam anti-war movement. it is more community-based and focused on changing the minds of our representatives in the government, persuading (or shaming) corporations that profit from war, and raising funding. I think this is the correct way for the current situation. standing in the street being loud and holding signs only does so much - the police know how to lock you into "protest zones" and the media always lies. the current movement is working from within the system for change rather than trying to tear everything down.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: exclusive58]
    #5741862 - 06/12/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It is probably a mix of fear, apathy and blinded patriotism. Some against the war are afraid of what speaking out against it would cause to their personal lives. Even more just don't care what's going on in the world, they have their own little universe. Then I'd wager the smallest portion are just flag waving good hearted people who have been swept up in 9/11 and just wont listen to any evidence that could possibly make them question their stance.

Then there is the people who you do hear speak out and they get attacked left and right in the media for doing so.

Maybe as the years go by and the troop death counts rise (not that I want this to happen, just pointing out the reality of the situation) more will begin to stand up and speak out. Unfortunately I think a lot here in the US still agree with bush, since the only information they get is from their tv, they aren't aware of facts like FBI agents being prevented from apprehending 9/11 hijackers, or documents like northwoods operation, or the express visa program (available only in saudi arabia for 3 months or was it 1 month?) some hijackers used to get into this country without a visa interview from US embassy.

Information just gets buried in time and bullshit news stories so people really believe saddam was connected to terrorism and he had WMD that magically disappeared somehow. Then they toss in war stories about troop deaths instead of hospital buildings and pass it off as objective news. We have lost the media for the most part and also lost our ability to keep our govt in check with our laws.


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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5742177 - 06/12/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
There is one. It is just not as vocal and vociferous as the anti-Vietnam war movement.





Which makes those protests at service members funerals even more disgusting.

http://www.fox16.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=0DEEAF0E-8462-46C5-BBCE-B36F4BFAE58E


I am all for free speech. But trying to interrupt a funeral is impeding on the right of the family to properly have a ceremony.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5742187 - 06/12/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Maybe they're afraid of being blown up by Islamic terrorists.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5742188 - 06/12/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

dont even lump those wacko bible-thumpers in with the anti-war movement. they are not related.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Luddite]
    #5742247 - 06/12/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Why would anti-war protestors worry about being blown up by Islamic terrorists? :flowstone:

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5742295 - 06/12/06 03:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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bi0 said:
dont even lump those wacko bible-thumpers in with the anti-war movement. they are not related.





Bullshit. They are against the war. Even if they are a subset. Just because you dont agree with WHY they protest the war, does not make them anti war protesters.


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“I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”

Edited by SirTripAlot (06/12/06 03:35 PM)

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5742322 - 06/12/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't believe they are against the war. I believe they are against gays.

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5742390 - 06/12/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

they are not against the war per se. they believe that homosexuality is bringing the wraith of god against america. protesting military funerals is their way of saying "haha told you so. the death of your son is god's revenge." they could just as easily protest a candlelight vigil at ground zero or a benefit for hurrican katrina victims.

again, they are not the anti-war movement - that is what we are talking about. they are anti-anything non-Christian and I'd say they are apathetic to the war or even support it (because it is supposedly god's venegence).

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Re: Where is the anti-war movement? [Re: Vvellum]
    #5742640 - 06/12/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It last happened in 2004. The elections you know! it's ok though, there's another shot in 2008. I still continue to think that electing officials is the most important voice the public can have. We just actually need to do it, not whine about it!

Unfortunately, this administration has been a *tad* happy on the trigger. -sorry couldn't help a jab at bush

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