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In Vitro Growers - Some Questions...
    #5740204 - 06/11/06 11:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey!
Those of you who grow in vitro, how do you deal with the, for lack of a better term, "ingrown" shrooms? I spite of covering the outside of my jars with tinfoil, there are still a number of small 'shrooms growing next to the glass. Should I try to get them out after the flush, or what? Do I need to worry about damaging the cake? Any tips appreciated!


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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: sudont]
    #5740578 - 06/12/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ive been wondering this too. What have others done?


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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: guitarman]
    #5740606 - 06/12/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you don't get them out they'll rot before too long.


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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: sudont]
    #5740897 - 06/12/06 08:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It sounds like you are using the jar as a mini-terrarium, which is not invitro (in the jar with the lid on). Why would you cover the sides of the jar? You want light on as much of the jar as possible. And you have to pop the cake out to harvest fruits, so it's no harm to the cake--unless you let the shrooms rot.


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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5741135 - 06/12/06 09:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Just bang the jar against a tire to break it all up and dump out into a plate. Sort the mushrooms and toss out the substrate/grains. If using brf, just 'birth' and cut the mushies out the same way, then toss out what's left and start a new jar. Invitro is very easy, but certainly not the way to get maximum yields.

There is no need to use foil with invitro growing. In fact, if you're trying to keep light off, foil actually reflects light down the length of the glass, increasing light exposure. It's not necessary however. Light is extremely overrated as a pinning trigger anyway. Other factors are as much or more important.
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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5746657 - 06/13/06 06:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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MLBjammer said:
It sounds like you are using the jar as a mini-terrarium, which is not invitro (in the jar with the lid on). Why would you cover the sides of the jar? You want light on as much of the jar as possible. And you have to pop the cake out to harvest fruits, so it's no harm to the cake--unless you let the shrooms rot.




Hi!
The reason I'm trying to block light on the sides is to limit, or encourage, fruiting at the top. This, in order to produce straighter stems than you normally get from PF cakes. And of course it's a pain to have to dig them out from the jar.


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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5746912 - 06/13/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Just bang the jar against a tire to break it all up and dump out into a plate. Sort the mushrooms and toss out the substrate/grains. If using brf, just 'birth' and cut the mushies out the same way, then toss out what's left and start a new jar. Invitro is very easy, but certainly not the way to get maximum yields.




Thanks for responding! Maybe I'm not using the accepted, or correct terminology? By in vitro, I mean that I'm fruiting PF cakes cased with verm, inside jars. I'm essentially following Nicholas and Ogamé's "Improved PF Tek".



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There is no need to use foil with invitro growing. In fact, if you're trying to keep light off, foil actually reflects light down the length of the glass, increasing light exposure. It's not necessary however. Light is extremely overrated as a pinning trigger anyway. Other factors are as much or more important.
RR




Since the jar, in this case, is functioning as a miniature casing tray, rather than a typical in vitro grow, it seems to me that it would be better to discourage pinning below the casing. Do you agree? If for no other reason, it could become a pain to have to dig the cake out and re-case it all the time.
I agree that the foil is probably reflecting a lot of light, but duck tape would have been too messy. What I'm trying now are (more or less) opaque red plastic cups. If all goes reasonably well, I will try to hunt down some black ones, although the red ones are probably good enough. I realize these aren't the "best" methods, but "easy" is best for me, at least at this time.
Any tips are welcome! Has anyone else tried this, or a similiar method?


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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: sudont]
    #5748900 - 06/14/06 08:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You'd have much better yields fruiting PF cakes in a terrarium (more pins from more places on the cake). Black electrical tape will block light for you, if that's the way you are going. But the method you are using really limits yield. Just going invitro would be easier and probably produce more--and there is no easier tek. GL.


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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: MLBjammer]
    #5748910 - 06/14/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'll bet if you unwrap that foil, you'll see lots of pins down there. In my experience, it increases side pinning when used with glass.
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Re: In Vitro Growers - Some Questions... [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5753518 - 06/15/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, there were pins alright, that's what prompted the original question! I didn't use tape because of the mess factor - I will want to use these jars again - but I certainly considered it. There are better ways to grow, but the experiment was worthwhile, nonetheless. Thanks for all your help! Let's see how the plastic cups do, now....


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