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figment
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No casing...but it's a-okay!
#5740009 - 06/11/06 10:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have a monotub that has been fruiting now for about 3 weeks. It died down a little this past week, but so far I have harvested about 3 dry ounces. I looked in it today and there are SERIOUSLY about 60 FAT pins coming up. So what's the deal? Seems to me that casing isn't necessary at all.
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HighGuy
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: figment]
#5740020 - 06/11/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I read a post by RR before that said something about how in a monotub a casing layer is very unneccesary. I can't seem to find it now though In my most recent tub I didn't use a casing and still netted about 2.5 dry.
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Edited by HighGuy (06/11/06 10:40 PM)
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figment
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: HighGuy]
#5740023 - 06/11/06 10:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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seems like he knows what he's talking about. I wonder why it is different with a monotub?
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monstermitch
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: figment]
#5740076 - 06/11/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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kilroy
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: monstermitch]
#5740086 - 06/11/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The way it was explained to me by RK(RaodKill) is if you want an even pin set then you case if you want big ones then you do not. GL
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figment
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: kilroy]
#5743748 - 06/12/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shit. i do get big ones. my biggest one so far was about 80 grams wet.
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RogerRabbit
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: figment]
#5743786 - 06/12/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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There is no doubt that a casing layer can increase yields. With some species, it's required for fruits to form. With cubes, a casing layer is optional, but unless you have a way of maintaining nearly 100% humidity at the substrate level, it's hard to get a really good pinset. With tray culture, a sheet of wax paper can help, but the other job of a casing layer is to supply moisture for the flush, which wax paper can not.
Two plusses for uncased substrates is they are contaminant resistant, where often the uncolonized portions of a casing layer can become contaminated, and you get fruits sooner when not waiting for a casing layer to colonize before initiating pinning.
With uncased substrates(or cased for that matter), you can use a syringe to inject water into the interior. RR
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Wowbobwow12
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: figment]
#5743829 - 06/12/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Figment, do you have any difficulties with maintaining surface moisture/ keeping the surface from drying out? What sort of approach to humidity control do you use? Do you try to hit a higher humidity % due to no casing?
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figment
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Re: No casing...but it's a-okay! [Re: Wowbobwow12]
#5745608 - 06/13/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I haven't done anything to tell you the truth. I mist it, but I haven't even misted it very often. I also have it outside under some foilage. The humidity here (in OK) ranges from about 30-40% daily. That's pretty low. In addition to that I leave about a half inch crack in the lid. LOTS OF FAE. And BIG mushrooms. And lots of em'.
All I have been doing it kind of pressing on the substrate to make sure it is field consistency (water begins to come up around my finger tips). If it's not I have just been pouring water in the sides (b/w the sub. and the wall of the tub) But I got a syringe yesterday and I am going to start doing that.
I know it all seems very unorthadox, but it seems to be working wonders...in my brain, as well as in the tub lol!
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