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AlienMix
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Intelligence
#5738955 - 06/11/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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We are all intelligent 
Hey guys, this is my first time to post in this forum. I figured the science and technology forum is a good forum for me to start posting some of my thouights because I am very intuitive in that area, but this forum interests me even more. It's just not as easy to respond to all of the complex thoughts that people encounter. There are alot of free thinkers here. I like this forum alot. A place to exchange your thoughts without facing direct critism and you have as much time as you want to post your COMPLETE thought. I don't know how many times somebody asks me something, and I answer, and later I think "I should've said this" thinking I lead the person the wrong direction.
Although as I was reading through here, there are lots of complex discussions that would take me a week to read through and even longer to write responses.
I thank God for this forum. As silly as that may sound to some, he is watching all of us post our thoughts, mainly discussing him. He's enjoying this greatly. He loves diversity. Thank you people
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5738971 - 06/11/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlienMix said: We are all intelligent 
No human is intelligent enough to post in such a forum, yet we all do it for fun, and some to feel smart.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5739053 - 06/11/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thank God for this forum. As silly as that may sound to some, he is watching all of us post our thoughts, mainly discussing him. He's enjoying this greatly. He loves diversity.
Thank you for speaking Gods mind. Care to back some of this with some real evidence?
We are all intelligent here.
So prove it now.
And welcome to the Shroomery.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5739070 - 06/11/06 06:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Care to back some of this with some real evidence?
There is no real evidence. Evidence has a scale of strenght of conviction. A fool would get convinced by anything, while intelligent people need to be more convinced. Every convinced man, a fool or not calls his level at which he gets convinced "real evidence" But in the end it's all about persuasion and getting convinced
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5739120 - 06/11/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Care to come up with evidence against God's existence?
"Show us a sign!"
This is the tired old mantra of the God haters. You demand proof while holding a belief system that proof of anything is impossible. How about something original huh?
Icelander, prove to me one thing, anything. I say you can't and you know you can't. So stop demanding proof when you do not believe that proof is possible. It's just plain annoying.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5739157 - 06/11/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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As silly as that may sound to some, he is watching all of us post our thoughts, mainly discussing him. He's enjoying this greatly.
Wow, I didn't know they had DSL in heaven. Does God's router do WiFi?
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Teste, teste!! 
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If you choose to post in this forum be prepared to have your ideas and opinions challenged, refuted, disputed, rebutted, analyzed, shredded, pooh-poohed, and yes - even supported. If having your beliefs, opinions, and positions scrutinized critically makes you uncomfortable, this is not the forum for you.
Whether you find it "annoying" or not, the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the challenger. If you claim the existence of a supernatural being is factual, as opposed to purely subjective and speculative, then you should be able to back up this claim with solid evidence. If not, then the factual claim must be re-worded to explain it as a personal belief.
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shroomydan said: Care to come up with evidence against God's existence?
"Show us a sign!"
This is the tired old mantra of the God haters. You demand proof while holding a belief system that proof of anything is impossible. How about something original huh?
Icelander, prove to me one thing, anything. I say you can't and you know you can't. So stop demanding proof when you do not believe that proof is possible. It's just plain annoying.
You're annoying because you're a mod and you don't even know that in debate claims need proofs.
I'm not claiming there is no God. I don't know. And your claim I'm a God hater is just your immense ignorance showing.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Veritas]
#5739187 - 06/11/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Veritas said: the burden of proof is on the claimant, not the challenger.
there is no burden, some people believe others don't, no need for proving anything or convincing anyone
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Then it goes into the mysticism forum.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5739208 - 06/11/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Then it goes into the mysticism forum.
what's the difference between mysticism forum and science forum? In one of them people are harder to get convinced of something, but we all have our conviction price, and every human being can be convinced of a lie
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How do you know that every human being can be convinced of a lie? You would have had to have met them all.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5739238 - 06/11/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: How do you know that every human being can be convinced of a lie? You would have had to have met them all.
I don't need to. The question you need to ask is, can any human have so many brain cells to consider every variable in the universe at the same time? No!
Therefore, every human can overlook something
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Overlook and being convinced of a lie are two different things. If one holds the opinion that they can know nothing for sure it might be hard to be convinced of anything.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5739310 - 06/11/06 07:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Overlook and being convinced of a lie are two different things. If one holds the opinion that they can know nothing for sure it might be hard to be convinced of anything.
well that's called wisedom
But knowing that, destroys the concept of proof alltogether
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Not for me. Look at this! I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5739378 - 06/11/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Not for me. Look at this! I don't believe anything, but I have many suspicions.
As defined by dictionary.com proof is "argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true", therefore if your mind can not take anything as absolute truth, proof does not exist
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True. Absolute proof does not exist to a finate mind in an infinate universe. That comes from my Taoist nature. But for the purposes of everyday living I use personal experience as a proof.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5740656 - 06/12/06 03:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hah, I just made a post basicly to say hello and introduce myself. It's crazy what some of you have responded to this. I did not expect to provide any proof for anything i said, hah. Please loose your ego just a bit. I am who I am and no one can change that.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5740660 - 06/12/06 03:06 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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how am I to prove we're intelligent. Do you know the meaning of being intelligent and intelligence?
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AlienMix said: We are all intelligent 
No human is intelligent enough to post in such a forum, yet we all do it for fun, and some to feel smart.
Fractalization down to retardo grabby-hands dreamboat rides?
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Re: Intelligence [Re: GnuBobo]
#5740763 - 06/12/06 05:09 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlienMix said: We are all intelligent 
No human is intelligent enough to post in such a forum, yet we all do it for fun, and some to feel smart.
Fractalization down to retardo grabby-hands dreamboat rides?
I'm just saying, people have their limits, and they always (at specially here) dumb down the complexity of the universe to something they can understand.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5742202 - 06/12/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlienMix said: hah, I just made a post basicly to say hello and introduce myself. It's crazy what some of you have responded to this. I did not expect to provide any proof for anything i said, hah. Please loose your ego just a bit. I am who I am and no one can change that.
This is a debate forum, if you just want to blather inanities there is always the PUB
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Re: Intelligence [Re: Icelander]
#5748349 - 06/14/06 02:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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my only proof is my life experience with all my circumstances. Everybody grows up differently therefore thinks and believes differently about the "supernatural." Everything is different. You really think two people could believe in the same exact thing? God knows your plan. You have free will. He uses people.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5748356 - 06/14/06 02:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You could go on to explain any kind of proof of the existence of God but you could always disagree against that proof. Could there be a real proof for God? That would get rid of faith. Then we're the only one here? Ack, that's boring.
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AlienMix said: We are all intelligent 
No human is intelligent enough to post in such a forum, yet we all do it for fun, and some to feel smart.
Fractalization down to retardo grabby-hands dreamboat rides?
I'm just saying, people have their limits, and they always (at specially here) dumb down the complexity of the universe to something they can understand.
That's what physics and math is for. You think we discovered everything about our world? About our galaxy, universe?
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5749012 - 06/14/06 09:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlienMix said: my only proof is my life experience with all my circumstances. Everybody grows up differently therefore thinks and believes differently about the "supernatural." Everything is different. You really think two people could believe in the same exact thing? God knows your plan. You have free will. He uses people.
Then why do you pretend that your life experience proves the existence of God "who knows my plan and uses people"?
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5749020 - 06/14/06 09:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlienMix said: You could go on to explain any kind of proof of the existence of God but you could always disagree against that proof. Could there be a real proof for God? That would get rid of faith. Then we're the only one here? Ack, that's boring.
Boring for you maybe because you lack imagination. I find a universe without a personal God immensely fascinating and wild beyond imagination.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5749490 - 06/14/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've always been a fan of Gardener's theory of Multiple Intelligences, though it is incomplete (there are many more than 8 categories of intelligece- too many to name).
We are all geniuses in some way or another.
I've said this before, I'll say it again:
God divides and distributes avantages and disadvantages among people in the same way that Capcom does this for Street Fighter Characters.
Some of us are fast and weak, others are slow and strong. But we can all win the game if we master ourselves and learn to overcome our shortcomings and properly apply our strengths and talents.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: DoctorJ]
#5749516 - 06/14/06 12:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Some of us are fast and weak, others are slow and strong. But we can all win the game if we master ourselves and learn to overcome our shortcomings and properly apply our strengths and talents.
Right.
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Re: Intelligence [Re: AlienMix]
#5750278 - 06/14/06 05:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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AlienMix said: I did not expect to provide any proof for anything i said, hah.
This is a house of discussion. We question, and do not accept a statement or idea simply because it is an expressed opinion. We require basis, and such discussion is beneficial in producing basis.
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A place to exchange your thoughts without facing direct critism and you have as much time as you want to post your COMPLETE thought.
Without one personally facing direct criticism, or without one's ideas facing direct criticism?
In this forum, it is not acceptable to discuss the person expressing the ideas. No personalisms, no analyzation of the person. This is a place of exchanging and sharing thoughts, ideas, and expressions, and this is a place where thoughts, ideas, and expressions are likely to be directly criticized. This is what distinguishes this forum from Mysticism, Religion, and Paranormal. Your ideas will discussed as others wish to discuss them.
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Please loose your ego just a bit.
See, this isn't off to a good start. One probably shouldn't be making these kind of statements. Honestly, these kind of statements contribute nothing to a discussion. They don't exactly align with the intent of this forum, and they offer nothing to one's point that one is trying to convey.
Consider relaxing a bit and not making these types of statements. Discuss the ideas. Its difficult to really know the person you are conversing with through here anyways, so try not to make assumptions.
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I am who I am and no one can change that.
That which one is exists in a state of constant change, as a result of continuous interaction with one's environment (reality). The nature of the fact is that we all influence the change of everyone involved here. Behavior has far-reaching consequences. We are not nearly as much so in control of "who we are" as we might like to think. 
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