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HoleSnype
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The importance of putting moist verm under substrate?
#5738578 - 06/11/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Is it fundamental to have a layer of moist verm under the substrate? Or can I get away without it? Thanks.
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Edited by HoleSnype (06/11/06 04:30 PM)
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: HoleSnype]
#5738597 - 06/11/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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This would be for a casing. Sorry, I forgot to mention that
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: HoleSnype]
#5738634 - 06/11/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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casings is usually just the substrate, the substrate holds all the water.
if you want to rehydrate the casing after a flush you can also dunk it(fill the terranium with water, then flip it after 24 hours and let it drain thoroughly)
you might want to add moist verm(after casing is 100%) to the top and keep it moist until pins show.
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: HoleSnype]
#5738649 - 06/11/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think it is help keep the crumbles of colonized brf moist, just added help in addition to the casing layer. I'm not completely sure but it is probably not necessary though recommeded. Ryche Hawk says here 50/50 tek at the bottom under an update that it is better to put a casing layer under the brf or whatever instead of vermiculite. Good luck
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: accesstwo]
#5738658 - 06/11/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A layer of verm under the substrate is counterproductive. I recommend against it. Some beginning growers do it so that if they overmist, the verm soaks it up. However, if you fail to overwater, the verm draws moisture from your substrate. The verm on bottom can also cause the mycelium to pin there instead of on the top where you want it to.
I have no idea what accesstwo is trying to say. A casing is totally different from the substrate. The casing is a non-nutritive layer that is placed over the top of the substrate to provide moisture and a humid microclimate that will help stimulate pinning, then provide moisture to sustain the flush. RR
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5738664 - 06/11/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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hrm, ive always been under the impression that a casing meant colonized substrate in a tub, and that a casing layer was what covered the casing. It makes sense grammatically since the substrate is enCASED in a tub. That or im just too much of a grammar nazi and take words too literally 
Either way, no need for the bottom verm layer as RR pointed out. It's also a good way to catch a contam and not see it until its way too late.
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: coda]
#5738730 - 06/11/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Unfortunately, the OMC seems to have developed a nomenclature of its own, with any tray for growing mushrooms being incorrectly called a casing. A substrate in a tub is simply a substrate, just as it would be if it were not in a tub or tray, such as a straw log. If you put a casing layer on it, it becomes a cased substrate. The 'casing' itself is the casing layer.
I promise I'm not nitpicking, but it's much easier when everybody is on the same page as far as terms go. The terminology as I stated above is standard in the commercial mushroom industry, as well as the way stamets and others have written. RR
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5738741 - 06/11/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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True, i understand. But like i said if you dissect the word and look at it grammatically it makes sense to see the word in the OMC nomenclature 
I stand corrected.
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: coda]
#5738767 - 06/11/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I thought it would be better to leave out the bottom verm layer because it would help keep the substrate more aerated and maybe give a better pinset. Please correct me if this is bullshit. Thanks everyone.
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Edited by HoleSnype (06/11/06 05:08 PM)
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: HoleSnype]
#5738774 - 06/11/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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a bottom casing layer does nothing to aerate your substrate. If you placed some verm in your substrate before spawning to it then this would hold true.
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#5738785 - 06/11/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I like your logic.
coda what you are saying makes sense but the substrate being encased in a tub is not the way the word casing is used. Of course its in a tub or tray, thats a given, nobody throws a colonised substrate on the floor .
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: coda]
#5738797 - 06/11/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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huh? I mean, if you leave out the layer of verm that some put under the colonized substrate, that would leave nice crevices between the clumps. And therefore, when you fan it would be more effective? Thats what I was trying to say anyways LOL. Thanks.
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: HoleSnype]
#5738848 - 06/11/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no, if you leave out the casing layer on the bottom you just expose it to plastic by adding it you run a greater risk of over saturating the substrate and contams will follow
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: HoleSnype]
#5738893 - 06/11/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moist verm under a substrate is the perfect environment for anerobic bacteria! I highly recommend against it. This environment is very stagnant.
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Re: The importance of putting moist verm under substait? [Re: hyphae]
#5740335 - 06/12/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I know this is only my second post, but i am not knew to the ol' psilocybe.
I have heard of this method used before, but the colonized substrate was never place in contact with the wet vermiculate. Instead, it was placed on a "spacer", which separates the colonized substrate from the moist vermiculate. What Hyphae said is true, that a wet layer of vermiculate under the colonized substrate is a perfect breeding ground for bacteria. Even though a fully colonized substrate should prove to be quite hard for bacteria to penetrate. With that said, the risk is still too great, and any bacteria in this environment is most unwelcome.
So is anyone going to advise him/her on another method? Maybe plastic mesh? Or coated wire mesh?
Oh, my bad. I didnt realise him/her was refering to casings in particular
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Edited by UndaKrust (06/12/06 12:33 AM)
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