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LunarEclipse
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So I guess my question should have been: do you have a life with open, honest happyness and sadness, or are you cynical, angry and depressive
I have a life with open cynical anger and depression as well as open honest happiness and sadness. If you want to walk around all day with a stupid fucking happy face on all the time and say "have a nice day" even if you aren't that's a choice too I guess.
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Telepylus
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I've always been a lucky person in life. And it's been full & beautiful. But I guess I just naturally wanted to exhibit my full range of emotions and feelings, intensely. I would be very blissed out half the time, or deeply depressed, or angry or cynical.
Eventually there just came a point where I took control over the poison. Toxic feelings of rage, or bitter melancholy, or fears, it's really a huge waste of thought, and does no good for nothing. Quit killing yourself and just let go of it. You do it by watching your stream of thought and noticing when it jumps to negative, then you replace it with anything wholesome, usually something boring, like a flower or bunny rabbit, or something you love that isn't disgusting.
the human mind natural sinks into the ground, like seeds of weeds in the immaculate garden. it's much easier to pull up the weeds each morning when they are still tiny sprouts, instead of letting them get giant and out of hand.
i'm always happy now, even when i'm not happy i don't give credit to my own control over my mind though i give credit to the near death experience i had that made me realize the great wonder of life, and that it's worth enjoying. don't ruin your time with bad feelings.
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LunarEclipse
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Re: Are you happy? [Re: Telepylus]
#5741226 - 06/12/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If I were to go around pulling out all the weeds in my yard I would be doing it all day long. Once you have let them go too long you might as well enjoy the dandelions.
As for "weeding of the mind" you make a good point about paying attention to thought flow and nipping negative thoughts by diversion and I think that is good practice. Like anything, we tend to fall back into old habits if we are not attentive and responsive.
More importantly though, when life gives you lemons it's time to make lemonade. That's the real key to happiness, accepting the cards you are dealt and making the best of them.
-------------------- Anxiety is what you make it.
Edited by LunarEclipse (06/12/06 10:31 AM)
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Afroshroomerican
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Sometimes.
I have low self esteem (hate to admit), so the way I feel is heavily determined by what I'm doing/accomplishing.
So if I fail anything, even a quiz ( in college with 2 majors/ 2 minors) I get bummed out.
Sad. but i know of a lot of people who are like that. Ain't a good way to be. I wish I could be one of those "I feel great about myself no matter what happends cause i'm the shit" people, but it hasn't worked for me as of yet.
-------------------- "We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools." ~Martin Luther King Jr.~ <passitbobbie> if I just showed you a closeup of my ass <passitbobbie> youd think it was female "You owe errrbody up in here an apology fow youwe shit, HO!" - classic
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dblaney
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I wish I could be one of those "I feel great about myself no matter what happends cause i'm the shit" people, but it hasn't worked for me as of yet.
I'd strongly suggest you re-think that wish. That type of person is drunk on ego. You actually have an advantage over them because you can grow to accept yourself just as you are, with all your strengths and weaknesses. A person who is drunk on ego can do this as well, but it is far more difficult because they first must realize their lack of importance in the universe, and this can be challenging.
People with lower self-esteem in my experience tend to realize far more readily their lack of importance in the universe, but many make the mistake of getting down and blue over this. Most likely because they think that there are in fact people who are important. This is not true. Everyone is equal in their lack of importance (despite what they may want you to think), and everyone has different strengths.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Telepylus
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Re: Are you happy? [Re: dblaney]
#5741668 - 06/12/06 12:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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99% of the thoughts you have today are the same ones you had yesterday
and 99% of the thoughts you have today, you will have tomorrow too
so each day you only have a 1% margin to change your thought patterns
all you have to do is make a conscious decision each morning to try to make your brain a more happy productive organ
and in 99 days, you'll realize some transformation, i promise.
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mr_kite
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OldWoodSpecter said: Being sad and happy are two sides of the same thing, a happy life
Being closed, cynical, eating yourself from inside and ignoring that is another way of life
So I guess my question should have been: do you have a life with open, honest happyness and sadness, or are you cynical, angry and depressive
Ahhhh ....................I guess Im somehwere in the middle. Like most people.
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gettinjiggywithit
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If anyone reading here is sad or down much of the time, here is something I figured out that helps me to remember and turn things around.
The stubborn behavior develops during childhood. Something goes wrong and often, if we stay miserable and sulking, some adult will fix it for us.
So we learn, that when something goes wrong "not our way" if we stay sulking eventually some adult will come along and "fix it for us".
Not a good system to rely on for your sense of happiness and good general well being, especially once after you have become an adult yourself.
Feeling up is something we must allow ourselves to feel. It is something we must give ourselves permission to feel.
The way to turn it around is to say, "Yes something went wrong. This sucks. However, if I see no way to make it right again, I will feel like crap until someone does, unless I allow myself to feel good again ANYWAY, despite it.
Feeling good/happy is a choice we make. It's not something we can only feel when things are going well. We can feel it anytime we choose to let ourselves feel it.
The thing is, feeling lousy fixes nothing and can often, make more to come get worse. Often, when we relax into feeling good again, we often do see solutions more easily.
That's not the point here, solutions or not.
The point is, recognize when you are not allowing yourself to feel good out of a stubborn with-holding pattern "happening completely on the subconscious level" learned from childhood.
You and only you, can give yourself permission to feel good irregardless of what is happening in your life.
Our sadness and moping about is a subconscious way of expressing to the world, something is wrong in my life, will someone please fix it so I can be happy and "up" again.
Why must there be a contingency to your own good feeling and well being?
It's manipulation stuff we learned as children and the older we get, the less effective it becomes.
It's like the scene in Karate Kid 111 when Mr. Miaggi had some thugs smash up his new business. Driving home, Daniel was all pissed off and hot and Mr. Miaggi was singing happy songs. Danial was like, "How can you be singing happy songs when they just trashed our new business and threatened us? We need to get those guys, call the police, do something.
Mr. Miaggi just said
DANIELSON! SING HAPPY SONG WITH ME. Miaggi went about singing again La lala di da do la la la while Daniel had flames blowing out of his ears.
Mr. Miaggi plays the character of a very wise man in those movies. 
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
Edited by gettinjiggywithit (06/12/06 03:21 PM)
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OldWoodSpecter
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gettinjiggywithit said: If anyone reading here is sad or down much of the time, here is something I figured out that helps me to remember and turn things around.
The stubborn behavior develops during childhood. Something goes wrong and often, if we stay miserable and sulking, some adult will fix it for us.
So we learn, that when something goes wrong "not our way" if we stay sulking eventually some adult will come along and "fix it for us".
Not a good system to rely on for your sense of happiness and good general well being, especially once after you have become an adult yourself.
Feeling up is something we must allow ourselves to feel. It is something we must give ourselves permission to feel.
The way to turn it around is to say, "Yes something went wrong. This sucks. However, if I see no way to make it right again, I will feel like crap until someone does, unless I allow myself to feel good again ANYWAY, despite it.
Feeling good/happy is a choice we make. It's not something we can only feel when things are going well. We can feel it anytime we choose to let ourselves feel it.
The thing is, feeling lousy fixes nothing and can often, make more to come get worse. Often, when we relax into feeling good again, we often do see solutions more easily.
That's not the point here, solutions or not.
The point is, recognize when you are not allowing yourself to feel good out of a stubborn with-holding pattern "happening completely on the subconscious level" learned from childhood.
You and only you, can give yourself permission to feel good irregardless of what is happening in your life.
Our sadness and moping about is a subconscious way of expressing to the world, something is wrong in my life, will someone please fix it so I can be happy and "up" again.
Why must there be a contingency to your own good feeling and well being?
It's manipulation stuff we learned as children and the older we get, the less effective it becomes.
It's like the scene in Karate Kid 111 when Mr. Miaggi had some thugs smash up his new business. Driving home, Daniel was all pissed off and hot and Mr. Miaggi was singing happy songs. Danial was like, "How can you be singing happy songs when they just trashed our new business and threatened us? We need to get those guys, call the police, do something.
Mr. Miaggi just said
DANIELSON! SING HAPPY SONG WITH ME. Miaggi went about singing again La lala di da do la la la while Daniel had flames blowing out of his ears.
Mr. Miaggi plays the character of a very wise man in those movies. 
There's nothing wrong in being sad. Being sad is a part of happy life
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gettinjiggywithit
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Some sadness in life is reasonable and natural. I did say in my first post there is nothing wrong with it. The feeling overcomes me sometimes, like the other day when I saw that my cat had killed a bird I use to enjoy watching in my yard. After about 20-30 minutes, I allowed myself to feel happy again, despite that sad event.
That last reply of mine was written for people stuck in that feeling most or all of the time, who don't want to be, don't even understand how they got there and so don't know how to get out of it.
If it doesn't apply to you wood, then it doesn't. If you haven't noticed, many shroomerites live in a chronic case of the blues and don't like it.
Because its a choice, if I or anyone else here chooses to be content-happy-blissed out most of the time, why begrudge us of that? Nothing wrong with that either. 
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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OldWoodSpecter
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gettinjiggywithit said: Some sadness in life is reasonable and natural. I did say in my first post there is nothing wrong with it. The feeling overcomes me sometimes, like the other day when I saw that my cat had killed a bird I use to enjoy watching in my yard. After about 20-30 minutes, I allowed myself to feel happy again, despite that sad event.
That last reply of mine was written for people stuck in that feeling most or all of the time, who don't want to be, don't even understand how they got there and so don't know how to get out of it.
If it doesn't apply to you wood, then it doesn't. If you haven't noticed, many shroomerites live in a chronic case of the blues and don't like it.
Because its a choice, if I or anyone else here chooses to be content-happy-blissed out most of the time, why begrudge us of that? Nothing wrong with that either. 
Well being sad for a longer period of time give birth to other emotions, and can cause one to close down, and become sick, so period of saddnes is over, and period of illness (being jaded, cynical, irritated, mad, depressive) comes instead.
As long as you are honest with yourself that can't happen. Depression often prevents one from being both sad and happy, because being sad is admiting that you could have been happy.
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Perhaps I had a wicked childhood Perhaps I had a miserable youth But somewhere in my wicked miserable past There must have been a moment of truth For here you are standing there loving me Whether or not you should So somewhere in my youth or childhood I must have done something good Nothing comes from nothing Nothing ever could So somewhere in my youth or childhood I must have done something good.
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Triplexiosis
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I feel like the happiest man alive, and sadness plays a big role in that.
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"If there were no desire to heal, the damaged and broken met along this tedious path I've choosen here, I certainly would have walked away by now" Tool - Patient "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye." Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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LunarEclipse
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I wonder how long it would take you to "allow yourself to be happy" if (God forbid) your child was abducted, raped and murdered? Somehow 20-30 minutes of sadness you felt over the dead bird seems unlikely...
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gettinjiggywithit
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I don't understand your reply. Are you comparing my daughter with a bird? How long would I be sad if I lost my daughter? Silly statement. Who knows how long I would mourn over loosing her before I gave myself permission to feel happiness for other things again?
I am saying, I realize and know that is what it would take if I were to feel it again. Being sad forever 24/7 wouldn't bring her body back to life, is something she wouldn't want to see me put myself through, wouldn't prove how much I love her, and would be a lousy way to honor her memory not to mention, such a low vibe would keep me cut off from continuing to know her in spirit.
I know what it would take to feel good feelings again, don't know when I would exercise that though.
It wasn't a random bird either. We had these two cute ones that lived in a tall bush behind a fence and fed at a bird feeder I have in a garden. We watched them flutter around everyday protecting the bush. I think they had a nest and maybe some baby birds in it. We have so few birds as it is in my neighborhood. You just don't hear them. It was so noce to finally have some around singing through the day.
Everything was fine until I let my cat play out there at night. During the day, she never bothered them in attack mode. I didn't think she would just because it was dark.
When I hadn't seen the birds for a few days and then found one dead in the yard, yes I felt sad for about that long. I think I drew them here with the feeder, they came when I put it in, and then, let my cat have at them. I felt bad about that, and also because, my cat just treats things like toys when she kills them-(lizards so far) and even those we save from her if we can. It's not like she kills in self defence or for food. It's play to her and the idea of that is disturbing to me.
The thought of keeping her indoors for all of her life is also disturbing to me.
Find a post Hue did a few weeks back called the One River. I wrote in it how I find all of that to be universal nonsense, before this happened.
I slaved over some other gardens for weeks earlier in the year. Put in 120 impatient flowers as borders too. Lately this armadillo has been digging them up to get to worms and stuff. They are over populated in Florida, considered a menace and not even native to here. If I trap and release it else where, I could get fined for releasing one here if I get caught. I am told I should shoot it. Thats legal. Yet every other morning 4 or 5 more plants are dug up and I have to fix it. Deterrents haven't worked and I just can't bring myself to kill it.
I don't have in in my heart to kill a nuisance over populated menace thats a pain in my ass because I respect life and so yes, a dead bird I a became acquainted with over the last 5 months everyday, being found dead at the hands of my own cat was sad and senseless to me. I'm out by the pool everyday and they aren't there anymore whistling away.
What was your comment suppose to mean or say? What was its point Lunar?
My replies here haven't been about the nature of sadness, reasons for or justifications for it. It wasn't to say that feeling sad is wrong. Feeling it is a part of life and a natural emotion for a healthy human being to feel. It's different for everyone what will bring it on. Sadness itself is something we also give ourselves permission to feel.
The message was simple. When feeling sad, low and down, "unhappy" and you wish to feel good again, it takes one thing and that is, giving yourself permission too. I put that out there for anyone who wants out and doesn't know where or what the key is.
I personally prefer to feel good most of the time. It's become easy for me to do that, knowing what the key to it is. I shared that key for anyone interested.
You got a problem with that? 

-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Icelander
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Being sad forever 24/7 wouldn't bring her body back to life, is something she wouldn't want to see me put myself through, wouldn't prove how much I love her, and would be a lousy way to honor her memory not to mention, such a low vibe would keep me cut off from continuing to know her in spirit.
Indeed. Deep truth.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Are you happy? [Re: spud]
#5745838 - 06/13/06 01:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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spud said: Yes!
It somewhat comes in waves, but I find myself the great majority of time extremely happy!
im gonna ditto what spud said, life is to short to be pissed off so im gonna make sure i do something with my life and make a shit load of money so that living and partying after that is easy and worry free.
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gettinjiggywithit
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life is to short to be pissed off
or the one,
life is to short not to enjoy it to the full.
That expression turned my attitude around a lot after, I turned it around to-
Life is toooooo looooooooooooooooong to be pissed off, feeling like crap or not enjoying it as much as possible.
Think about this. Your at the doctors office getting a medical procedure done and he says,
"This will oooooooonly hurt for a bit." You are like, "Fine, just do it and let's get it over with."
Say he said to you,
"This will oooooooooonly hurt for the next 80 years"
You'd be like, "Are you high on crack dude? Get that thing away from me, I'm outta here."
Life is to loooooong to be pissed or in emotional pain and suffering.
We wouldn't go for it in the docs hands so why would we at our own hands?
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Huehuecoyotl
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Did I mention that I am insanely happy? I just can't help it.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery


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Did I mention that I am insane
Yes, we heard you the first time.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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