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 Icelander
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 Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me  [Re: DoctorJ]
#5747161 - 06/13/06 08:11 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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He held some of their beliefs and indulged in a few harmless perversions.  Certainly didn't believe in God. I'm sure he went to heaven though. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Icelander]
#5747204 - 06/13/06 08:18 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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uhhhhh... didn't believe in God? WTF are you talking about? He spent his entire life trying to understand God, wrote several books about the Light of God, became too powerful and labeled himself the AntiChrist out of shame.
Crowley was one of God's greatest prophets and visionaries, and also a very hard worker for God. He studied JEWISH HIGH MAGIC and egyptian magic his entire life! He created, compiled, and published many magickal texts simply because the Light inspired him to make great wisdom, knowledge, and power available to all of God's children.
Personally, I would say Crowley is in God's top 100 favorite people to have ever walked the earth.
if you think he was a satanist, or that he didn't believe in God, you haven't read enough. Perhaps if you spent less time on the internet ramming your dumb opinions down the throats of naive kids half your age and more time studying and reading, you wouldn't be so prone to misunderstanding
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 Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5747235 - 06/13/06 08:25 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Now, it seems, we're back to where we started. These commandments reflect more of your personal system of values than the Ten Commandments, and therefore Laveyian Satanism makes more "sense" to you than Christianity.
Laveyian Satanism seems to me to be more about 'live and let live' than anything else. Christianity is about 'hate and deny your nature and be what I tell you to be'.
This isn't about my personal system of values. There may be no absolute truths in the world, but I think 'live and let live' comes as close to truth as anything I've heard so far.
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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: DoctorJ]
#5747259 - 06/13/06 08:31 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've read a fair amount about Crowley and he never mentioned you once.
What's the matter boy. You afraid of my opinions? When have I ever forced mine on anyone. I've called you on all your ridiculous BS about being God, is that why you're so defensive.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
#5747269 - 06/13/06 08:36 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Diploid said:
Now, it seems, we're back to where we started. These commandments reflect more of your personal system of values than the Ten Commandments, and therefore Laveyian Satanism makes more "sense" to you than Christianity.
Laveyian Satanism seems to me to be more about 'live and let live' than anything else. Christianity is about 'hate and deny your nature and be what I tell you to be'.
This isn't about my personal system of values. There may be no absolute truths in the world, but I think 'live and let live' comes as close to truth as anything I've heard so far.
Purty much how I feel about it. Satanism doesn't sound nearly as dangerous as Christanity. You can have all of em as far as I'm concerned, but if I had to pick Satanism would be in the running.
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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.
" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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 Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
#5747312 - 06/13/06 08:48 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Christianity is about 'hate and deny your nature and be what I tell you to be'.
Just a point of clarification:
I don't think Christ was about hate and denial, but I think Christians are about exactly that.
Christ was a really cool guy in my book, and ironic as this may sound, I endeavor to live by most of his teachings. Truth is truth even when it's weighed down by religion.
I like your Christ, but I do not like Christians - they are so unlike Christ. - Mohandas Ghandi
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Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: DoctorJ]
#5747330 - 06/13/06 08:57 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I never said he was a Satanist, although Levay seems to have been strongly influenced by him.
But, Crowley certainly was, much to my adoration, a walking perversion.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Icelander]
#5747332 - 06/13/06 08:57 PM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've read a fair amount about Crowley and he never mentioned you once.
What's the matter boy. You afraid of my opinions? When have I ever forced mine on anyone. I've called you on all your ridiculous BS about being God, is that why you're so defensive.
I loooove opinions. Even yours. They color the world with variety. Its when people disagree to the point of clashing violently that opinions become a problem!
And who said I didn't want you to call me out on my beliefs? I loooove it when people call me out. It gives me practice in defending my ideas, and forces me to examine other viewpoints I may have not considered. My beliefs are in a constant state of change to match the reality in which I currently reside.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Redstorm]
#5747971 - 06/14/06 12:03 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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Also, there are many people who put a hard faux facade and say they only walk the left path, while this is not true in the slightest. I've been their myself. In the past year I found myself in a state of mind where I decoded I would live only for myself and do what I needed to succeed, regardless of how ruthless that was. I realized that I could not maintain this sort of life without a huge amount of effort.
That's not to say that the right path is any more healthy (or "normal"). In my opinion, the path which most people follow, and should follow, is the grassy median between the two dogmatic highways.
Awesome example of what Bruce Lee was talking about living in total honesty with yourself.
Diploid,
That was nice what you said about Jesus. Thats how I feel about him.  I was going to mention him here. Look at all the "self rightious" right path people including the Pope etc, who have lots of material wealth.
Jesus had NOTHING but the robe on his back and it was written he even gave that away at times to others who were cold. He didn't go around collecting material baggage or status titles. How many self righteous Christians live like that? None that I know of. ZERO.
However, a humble group of Aborigines living in the Australian Out back actually do live like he did. These are straight up real and honest human beings fully , purely and innocently walking the wisdom of the sages.
A book I highly recommend to any one is called Mutant Message From Down Under. Its quite humbling. I no longer think of them as being stupid primitive people. They are wise and advanced far beyond me.
Few are honestly the actual left and right extremes. The honestly left ones are on Death Row with no regrets and the honestly Right ones are living naked with nothing in the harsh outback, happy laughing, smilin and well cared for all of the time.
The rest are living in the blend somewhere and might as well get honest about it either way.
 
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: DoctorJ]
#5747998 - 06/14/06 12:15 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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God's Top 100?
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"Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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there really is no such thing as a satanist.
if someone were to really actually worship satan, they would use a different title or term to describe what they were.
a satanist is a person like al-kida(i can't even spell that word)
or a child molester
or rapist
(or anyone who profit from human suffering- most people are kinda satanic)
Crowley could be called a satanist, but you could call the pope a satanist too, i do.
And, Crowley did more to help the Way of Christ, and to protect christianity than any other man in recent history(since say 1900)
also, if you compare aleister crowley, with some of the freaks that live in the world today, you can even take a guy like trent reznor for example, or thousands of other examples-
crowley was actually a fairly mild mannered dude by comparison to the some of the scum bags that you'd probably call cool & hip today.
(not directing that comment at anyone in specific)
there are alot of lies that pass on about crowley too, usually amongst circles of people who've never actually bothered to read any of his books.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Telepylus]
#5748026 - 06/14/06 12:23 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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also, lavey didn't know shit about crowley, or magic power
if he did
he never would've been such a moron
lol
one of the funniest book reviews I ever read came in The Equinox Vol.5 No.5 Sex & Religion where the OTO makes a total fool of him and his cheezy satanic bible.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: DoctorJ]
#5748047 - 06/14/06 12:29 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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crowley believed in Love.
and God is Love.
and he was Honest
and he told the Truth
Crowley was not a "satanist" no, far from it.
he was tied to "Lucifer" though, lol
still is in fact
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Telepylus]
#5748108 - 06/14/06 12:47 AM (16 years, 11 months ago) |
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there really is no such thing as a satanist.
if someone were to really actually worship satan, they would use a different title or term to describe what they were.
a satanist is a person like al-kida(i can't even spell that word)
or a child molester
or rapist
(or anyone who profit from human suffering- most people are kinda satanic)
Different title. So what? 
Consider this mock example of someone saying-
"Ohhhh no no no you have it all wrong silly. He is not a Satanists!  Pfffffffffft. He's just a sadistic child molester.  "
Same difference to me. Note how I said that one who is honestly and completely one is most likely on death row or serving life having no regrets about what got them there.
I didn't bring up Crowley in this discussion. He sounds to me like a blender though.
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I didn't bring up Crowley in this discussion. He sounds to me like a blender though.
more like a shader.
a colorist
don't you like colors? the world would be pretty boring in black and white.
anyone who makes progress in reconciling different religions and philosophies is a hero in my book. If people accept that all religions are just variations of the same thing, perhaps they will stop going to war with eachother over something as trivial as the name they use to denote God.
not to mention that crowley's teachings and writings put power in the hands of the have-nots, and I've always been a fan of that struggle.
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