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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Basilides]
#5743815 - 06/12/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Schwammel]
#5745137 - 06/13/06 08:55 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Basilides]
#5745467 - 06/13/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said: That's why there are so many more Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Jews, Islamics, and other religions that believe in spreading less self-centered values.
Sorry Charlie, I don't see it accept maybe with Buddhism. More destruction of life and liberty has been and is the result of these wonderful religions then all the satanists that have ever lived. The fact that there are few IMO is because most people are ignorant and sheep like and like to cloak their negativity in a religious overcoat. Kind of like the wolf in sheep's clothing.
It's quite possible most people simply prefer the path of the right hand than the left
Sure, most people will say they prefer a right-handed path. This is because the left-handed path has been stigmatized severely throughout history. I think if you look at how these same people act (rather than what they say), you'll find they are much more acquainted with the left path than you (or they) would expect.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Redstorm]
#5745579 - 06/13/06 12:26 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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The right handed one gets its fair share of stigmatization too. From what I observe of people, regardless of which side they say they are on, I see words and actions coming from a blend of both of them.
Each side has its rules they won't let flex or bend (on paper at least) and so each has its dogma.
Why isn't a third path being discussed here? Lets get real here. If someone was being "annoying" in Diploids house, do you really believe he would destroy them with no mercy I can see him asking the person, to settle down and be reasonable and if they can't, his asking them to kindly leave.
I like some wisdom Bruce Lee came upon that can relate to this. He said that he no longer practices or teaches just anyone style of Martial Art, as if anyone is better then another. Equate that to the left or right path.
He said, what has become MOST important to him now, is expressing himself HONESTLY and Completely as a whole human being in every moment of life.
When we live by someone elses rules like the left and right paths, we are bound to find ourselves in a lot of self denial, and self dishonesty within actions taken to adhere to them.
I think there is a lot of wisdom to that.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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All true enough.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Redstorm]
#5745727 - 06/13/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Redstorm said: Sure, most people will say they prefer a right-handed path. This is because the left-handed path has been stigmatized severely throughout history. I think if you look at how these same people act (rather than what they say), you'll find they are much more acquainted with the left path than you (or they) would expect.
Yes, I think those who intentionally walk the left-hand path aren't as bad as those who claim to walk one path, but follow the other(Pat Robertson, for example).
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Silversoul]
#5745752 - 06/13/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Gee thanks. Hey I'm not as bad as Pat Robertson. Thanks so much. Us left handers really appreciate this. WOW!
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Icelander]
#5745760 - 06/13/06 01:32 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Sorry, didn't mean to offend. I was simply saying that there are many more who are hypocrites about it than those who are honest with themselves.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Silversoul]
#5745765 - 06/13/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's OK. You can't help yourself.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Silversoul]
#5746385 - 06/13/06 04:39 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also, there are many people who put a hard faux facade and say they only walk the left path, while this is not true in the slightest. I've been their myself. In the past year I found myself in a state of mind where I deicded I would live only for myself and do what I needed to succeed, regardless of how ruthless that was. I realized that I could not maintain this sort of life without a huge amount of effort.
That's not to say that the right path is any more healthy (or "normal"). In my opinion, the path which most people follow, and should follow, is the grassy median between the two dogmatic highways.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Redstorm]
#5746388 - 06/13/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#5746874 - 06/13/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Reciprocal altruism is beneficial to organisms because it helps to maintain a large degree of genetic variation. While the "strong chimps" may be able to avoid being eaten by lions, the "weak chimps", being lighter, may be able to climb higher trees or have some other advantage. Different variations of chimps have different ecological niches. If the niche changes, the trees become higher off the ground or something, the "strong chimps" may no longer be able to survive as well as the "weaker chimps." Rather than all the "strong chimps" dieing off due to a change in their environment, they are able to survive because the "weak chimps" are willing to share food with them. If the "strong chimps" hadn't shared food with "weak chimps" before the ecological change, they would have died after it.
Being able to survive in varying ecological niches provides an excellent advantage and is one of the reasons why humanity has been able to rise to such heights.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
#5746887 - 06/13/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Diploid said: Whether you prefer "human nature" to be adhered to or view it as something to be detach from (or overcome) seems entirely subjective. I don't see how the first or the latter makes any more sense, objectively.
I see no benefit whatever in a path that makes me strive to be something I am not or to deny something that I am.
Now, it seems, we're back to where we started. These commandments reflect more of your personal system of values than the Ten Commandments, and therefore Laveyian Satanism makes more "sense" to you than Christianity.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5746891 - 06/13/06 07:12 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Course if we cut down all the trees there ain't gonna be no place to climb to.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Icelander]
#5746908 - 06/13/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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How dare you! Arrogantly unveiling your bare thumb under the watchful eyes of God!
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5746923 - 06/13/06 07:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Now,now Doctor J.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
#5746925 - 06/13/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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satanism is perversion, plain and simple. It is an exhaultation of the finite over the infinite, the material over the spiritual.
most satanists justify their hedonism and lack of respect for others via a lack of faith. They don't believe in God, a soul, Justice, or the infinite. They use their lack of believe as justification to 'get their kicks in before the whole shithouse goes up in flames', often at the expense of other people and their environment.
To them I say:
If you do not believe in karma, I pity you, because acting in accordance with this lack of belief is liable to land you in some serious debt, which you will be grueling to pay off for many lifetimes, cursing God the whole time for the consequences of your own mistakes.
If you do not believe in a soul, then I pity you, because that means you basically don't have one, and that you have abdicated God's greatest gift to you.
If you do not believe in the infinite, I pity you, because that means your existence is finite and ends with your death.
If you do not believe in God or Justice, I pity you, because hurting others for your own gain is the best way to summon their wrath, and their wrath ain't pretty.
So Satanist, though you may enjoy your misbegotten wealth and your orgy of destructive hedonism, all the while laughing at and mocking me and my simple existence of humility and reverence, know this: you are laughing at and mocking the wrong person. I know exactly what I am doing. It is you who are in the dark.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: DoctorJ]
#5746949 - 06/13/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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So Satanist, though you may enjoy your misbegotten wealth and your orgy of destructive hedonism, all the while laughing at and mocking me and my simple existence of humility and reverence, know this: you are laughing at and mocking the wrong person. I know exactly what I am doing. It is you who are in the dark.
That's a riot Doctor. Love the new avatar.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (06/13/06 07:25 PM)
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: DoctorJ]
#5746956 - 06/13/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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"Satanism is perversion" says the man with a Crowley avatar, and blinks.
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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: MushmanTheManic]
#5747147 - 06/13/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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crowley was in no way, shape, or form a satanist
get your facts straight
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