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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5738997 - 06/11/06 08:18 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

The claim that victims of conspiracy or sacrifice is a sign of either weakness or stupidity is just absurd.

I can list numerous prodigies who have been the victim of conspiracy, and have paid the price of their life for it.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Icelander]
    #5739001 - 06/11/06 08:19 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
There you go again.

The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:




Wheather you like it or not, that kind of life is defined as evil traditionally. Now what you have right to do is argue that evil is not something to be avoided or feared. Change the value of the word evil


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Veritas]
    #5739007 - 06/11/06 08:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

There are examples of entire societies living in peace and harmony under a unifying religion. Take the Sufis in Aleppo, Syria. Extremely religious in nature, they advocate political freedom.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5739009 - 06/11/06 08:20 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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If you have to be religious, then it is conformity. Unity in spirit is not the true goal of organized religions, IMO. Most seem to promote an us-them attitude towards outsiders, and a one-down attitude towards divinity. I say that spirit is spirit, whether it dwells within someone who is different from me in every visible way, or whether it is the spiritual energy I call Love. Others may say God, Allah, Flying Spaghetti Monster, and mean the same thing, or they may use these terms to describe what I call Hatred, Intolerance, Oppression, Division, and Fear.




Why do you equate religious gods with spiritual energy? Such a description is never used in any of the scriptures of any of these religions.




Yes, I know. This is part of my dislike for religion. Perhaps some who practice religion are actually in touch with the divine energy behind the empty words. Perhaps not.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5739012 - 06/11/06 08:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Icelander said:
There you go again.

The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:




Wheather you like it or not, that kind of life is defined as evil traditionally. Now what you have right to do is argue that evil is not something to be avoided or feared. Change the value of the word evil




HE HAS SKULLS IN HIS AVATAR, HE MUST BE EVIL!


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5739013 - 06/11/06 08:21 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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The claim that victims of conspiracy or sacrifice is a sign of either weakness or stupidity is just absurd.

I can list numerous prodigies who have been the victim of conspiracy, and have paid the price of their life for it.




They are prodigies in the humanistic worldview, but from evolutionary point of view they are idiots for not using their talent for their own gain instead of helping the competition.

If you don't like the idea of natural selection and evolution, then believe in something else, but don't try to change it into something pleasant to you


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Veritas]
    #5739017 - 06/11/06 08:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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If you have to be religious, then it is conformity. Unity in spirit is not the true goal of organized religions, IMO. Most seem to promote an us-them attitude towards outsiders, and a one-down attitude towards divinity. I say that spirit is spirit, whether it dwells within someone who is different from me in every visible way, or whether it is the spiritual energy I call Love. Others may say God, Allah, Flying Spaghetti Monster, and mean the same thing, or they may use these terms to describe what I call Hatred, Intolerance, Oppression, Division, and Fear.




Why do you equate religious gods with spiritual energy? Such a description is never used in any of the scriptures of any of these religions.




Yes, I know. This is part of my dislike for religion. Perhaps some who practice religion are actually in touch with the divine energy behind the empty words. Perhaps not.




But where do you get this idea of divine energy in the first place?


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5739018 - 06/11/06 08:23 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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spud said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Icelander said:
There you go again.

The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:




Wheather you like it or not, that kind of life is defined as evil traditionally. Now what you have right to do is argue that evil is not something to be avoided or feared. Change the value of the word evil




HE HAS SKULLS IN HIS AVATAR, HE MUST BE EVIL!




Skulls are not evil. Only evil fears of skulls


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5739021 - 06/11/06 08:24 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
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spud said:
The claim that victims of conspiracy or sacrifice is a sign of either weakness or stupidity is just absurd.

I can list numerous prodigies who have been the victim of conspiracy, and have paid the price of their life for it.




They are prodigies in the humanistic worldview, but from evolutionary point of view they are idiots for not using their talent for their own gain instead of helping the competition.





There is no evolutionary point of view. There is no intent with evolution. Evolution is random, it has no intent. There is no right. There is no wrong. You are personifying a completely inanimate, unconscious event. Same fallacy as those who try to argue Social Darwinism. There is no systematic point of reference.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5739023 - 06/11/06 08:25 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
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spud said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Icelander said:
There you go again.

The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:




Wheather you like it or not, that kind of life is defined as evil traditionally. Now what you have right to do is argue that evil is not something to be avoided or feared. Change the value of the word evil




HE HAS SKULLS IN HIS AVATAR, HE MUST BE EVIL!




Skulls are not evil. Only evil fears of skulls




Perhaps I should have added a  :smirk: ?


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5739028 - 06/11/06 08:27 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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spud said:
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spud said:
The claim that victims of conspiracy or sacrifice is a sign of either weakness or stupidity is just absurd.

I can list numerous prodigies who have been the victim of conspiracy, and have paid the price of their life for it.




They are prodigies in the humanistic worldview, but from evolutionary point of view they are idiots for not using their talent for their own gain instead of helping the competition.





There is no evolutionary point of view. There is no intent with evolution. Evolution is random, it has no intent. There is no right. There is no wrong. You are personifying a completely inanimate, unconscious event. Same fallacy as those who try to argue Social Darwinism. There is no systematic point of reference.




yes, evolution has no intent, and is random, but the outcome of the struggles shows what kind of behaviour is positive for survival, and what kind is not. Obviously if you get killed or die of hunger, you did something wrong.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5739032 - 06/11/06 08:28 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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spud said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
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spud said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Icelander said:
There you go again.

The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:




Wheather you like it or not, that kind of life is defined as evil traditionally. Now what you have right to do is argue that evil is not something to be avoided or feared. Change the value of the word evil




HE HAS SKULLS IN HIS AVATAR, HE MUST BE EVIL!




Skulls are not evil. Only evil fears of skulls




Perhaps I should have added a  :smirk: ?




I know you were kidding, I just wanted to add that.
Evil fears death


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5739035 - 06/11/06 08:29 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Icelander said:
There you go again.

The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:




Wheather you like it or not, that kind of life is defined as evil traditionally. Now what you have right to do is argue that evil is not something to be avoided or feared. Change the value of the word evil




Tradition is usually an evil IMO, Tantra has been called a left hand path. Sex=evil. Well, that's there business and if they want to call it evil they can. I just think "they" live in fear and cannot in any way acknowledge those shameful feelings or accept them so they hold up some unreal ideal of perfection and pretend to strive for it and hold everyone else who doesn't as wanting. :smirk:


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Icelander]
    #5739037 - 06/11/06 08:30 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:



Forgive my poor use of language.  I did not mean to imply such a thing.

In a sense, you are right.  Both the right-hand and left-hand path have the potential for evil.  But I dare say that the right-hand path has greater potential for good, by virtue of the fact that it inherently involves regard for others.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Icelander]
    #5739045 - 06/11/06 08:31 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
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OldWoodSpecter said:
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Icelander said:
There you go again.

The left hand path is in no way evil, anymore so than the right hand path.  :tongue:




Wheather you like it or not, that kind of life is defined as evil traditionally. Now what you have right to do is argue that evil is not something to be avoided or feared. Change the value of the word evil




Tradition is usually an evil IMO, Tantra has been called a left hand path. Sex=evil. Well, that's there business and if they want to call it evil they can. I just think "they" live in fear and cannot in any way acknowledge those shameful feelings or accept them so they hold up some unreal ideal of perfection and pretend to strive for it and hold everyone else who doesn't as wanting. :smirk:




Then how do you define evil?


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5739049 - 06/11/06 08:32 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

there would be some to argue that natural selection isn't random, if you can prove the unrandomness of it then you could prove god.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: capliberty]
    #5739056 - 06/11/06 08:33 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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there would be some to argue that natural selection isn't random, if you can prove the unrandomness of it then you could prove god.




The premise of this discussion is that there is no god, therefore evolution is random


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5739063 - 06/11/06 08:36 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5739093 - 06/11/06 08:42 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Syria has been under martial law since 1963, and the Syrian government maintains the peace through thousands of human rights violations. Syrian women are still socially and legally oppressed, and religious freedom is non-existent.

This is not a great example of the peace achieved through religious conformity.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Veritas]
    #5739102 - 06/11/06 08:45 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Aleppo is an unusual case for Syria.

Check it out.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5477014


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