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Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me
    #5738103 - 06/11/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The Nine Satanic Sins:

1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.

2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.

3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.

4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!

5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.

6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.

7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.

8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.

9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.

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And The Nine Satanic Statements:

1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!

2. Satan represents vital existence instead of spiritual pipe dreams!

3. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of hypocritical self-deceit!

4. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!

5. Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek!

6. Satan represents responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires!

7. Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all-fours, who, because of his “divine spiritual and intellectual development,” has become the most vicious animal of all!

8. Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification!

9. Satan has been the best friend the Church has ever had, as He has kept it in business all these years!

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And The Eleven Satanic Rules

1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.

2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.

3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.

4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.

5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.

6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.

9. Do not harm little children.

10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.

11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.

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3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
    #5738110 - 06/11/06 02:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LaVeyan Satanism is just Objectivism with costumes.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Silversoul]
    #5738129 - 06/11/06 02:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Still, Satanic principles make (no pun, lol) a hell of a lot more sense than idiotic and humanly-impossible commandments like "Don't get a chubby when you think of your neighbor's hot wife."


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
    #5738134 - 06/11/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Diploid said:
Still, Satanic principles make (no pun, lol) a hell of a lot more sense than idiotic and humanly-impossible commandments like "Don't get a chubby when you think of your neighbor's hot wife."



If by "make a hell of a lot more sense" you mean "easier to follow," then yes. But some of us strive for perfection.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Silversoul]
    #5738148 - 06/11/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

My 2 cents on perfectionism:

Striving for perfection is an excellent way to cultivate neurosis and misery, and to alienate your friends and associates.

Striving to do your best, be honest about your limitations, and accept your humanity, is much more conducive to mental health and strong relationships with others.


My 2 cents on Satanism:

I don't worship any supernatural beings, whether they live in the sky or underground. :wink:


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Veritas]
    #5738190 - 06/11/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Veritas said:


My 2 cents on Satanism:

I don't worship any supernatural beings, whether they live in the sky or underground. :wink:




You are a victim of the Christian smear campaign. Many non-Satanists, especially Christians, infer that Satanists worship a supernatural, evil entity called "Satan" and advocate evil. The Church of Satan (the most organized Satanic group on earth) has stated several times that they do not believe in some being named "Satan", and use his name purely symbolically in relation to human values they deem as wrong.

Satanism is more of a philosophical movement than anything. Do not confuse theistic Satanism to LaVeyans Satanism, the much more common form of Satanism.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Veritas]
    #5738218 - 06/11/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

These are good principles, but this attitude our developed consiousness doesn't authenicate anything, of course this religion has to make their precepts sound powerful and alluring. Its a bunch of new aged people using old religious referance to fill a nitche in society that rebel against orgainized religion. Even they know this and feel they have room to play with it.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
    #5738244 - 06/11/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Satanism also includes a lot more than just this

As church had inquisition, so does modern satanism have grave robbing. Maybe it's not official satanistic point of view, but over here there have been cases of babies stolen from graves for rituals by members of satanic sects.

Now someone is going to say it's an urban myth, but it's not, people ended up in jail for such things, though our law has some holes in this, which equate stealing bodies with painting grafitti on graves, so you can't get more than a year or two.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5738295 - 06/11/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

My main beef with Satanism is the same as my beef with Objectivism: namely, that it glorifies selfishness and the ego. This is sometimes referred to as the left-hand path, where the individual acts as their own personal god, seeking self-indulgence and self-glorification. The right-hand path, on the other hand, values altruism and humility. I've walked the right-hand path long before I became a Christian, and still consider it to be the more spiritually mature path.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Silversoul]
    #5738304 - 06/11/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Have you read Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse? Using just over 100 pages, it brilliantly illustrates the contrast of the right handed path vs left handed path. Great read.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5738315 - 06/11/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

These principles of satanism aren't anything special really, it's how 90% of people live and think anyway, exept that they are afraid of the word satanism.

The question is, where does this left hand path lead? Every path leads to somewhere. I think this one really goes in circles.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5738318 - 06/11/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

People tend to look for a worldview in which to assimilate their beliefs. We are social beings.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5738322 - 06/11/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse

For those with short attention spans:

http://www.netflix.com/MovieDisplay?movieid=60026644&trkid=191776


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: spud]
    #5738387 - 06/11/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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People tend to look for a worldview in which to assimilate their beliefs. We are social beings.




And beliefs come from needs mostly. People want a can of beer, to get layed on a regular basis and some money to buy more plastic and gold, in their life, so they chose satanism because satanism was designed around human lusts.

If there is no god, or anything other than what you learn on the biology class, then satanism IS the way to go. It's the most natural way of life with that kind of premise.
But if there is god..


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Diploid]
    #5738394 - 06/11/06 03:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Adopting dogma you like rather than dogma you dislike... Bravo!


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5738396 - 06/11/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

this also represents the paradox of good and evil, sometimes evil has is its valid stance in which is overall good.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5738405 - 06/11/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:

If there is no god, or anything other than what you learn on the biology class, then satanism IS the way to go. It's the most natural way of life with that kind of premise.
But if there is god..




Not true, several non-Theistic models of living and morality have been offered which maximize happiness in a better fashion and create a more efficient society. One such model is Kant's Categorical Imperative.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5738409 - 06/11/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
If there is no god, or anything other than what you learn on the biology class, then satanism IS the way to go. It's the most natural way of life with that kind of premise.
But if there is god..



I don't think you necessarily need to assume a God to think that humility, generosity, and moderation are good things. Several secular humanists have advocated similar models.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5738424 - 06/11/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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OldWoodSpecter said:
If there is no god, or anything other than what you learn on the biology class, then satanism IS the way to go. It's the most natural way of life with that kind of premise.




Laveyian Satanism is based on unverifiable and subjective valuations that are then converted into dogma. I don't see anything 'natural' about it.


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Re: Satanism - Mostly Makes Sense To Me [Re: Silversoul]
    #5738425 - 06/11/06 03:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
If there is no god, or anything other than what you learn on the biology class, then satanism IS the way to go. It's the most natural way of life with that kind of premise.
But if there is god..



I don't think you necessarily need to assume a God to think that humility, generosity, and moderation are good things. Several secular humanists have advocated similar models.




yes I know, but there is no objective good and bad without that kind of concept of spirituality.

Wheather I develop a cure for cancer or be a mass rapist is objectivley equally good (or bad) in such a world.


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