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cow dung Q
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Is it necessary to pasturize dung in water or can it be done in the oven.
also if it has to be done in water.....why??
wouldn't some of the goodies leach out.


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: TCatz]
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You don't need to pasteurize in water and you can pasteurize it in an oven.

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Re: cow dung Q [Re: TCatz]
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I just got the word from a reliable source.
the shits to hot for your asshole neighbors plants......


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: TCatz]
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Very good question, and here is a very good tip. No it doesn't need to be pasuerized in water. It can be done in the oven, same temps and time as water. Bake it with at least a little moisture in there, the steam helps heat it thoroughly and evenly. Just make sure you get the right moisture content afterwards. ***And remember, dry dung is mostly straw, which is very flammable*** an oven full of burning straw is a BIG danger and major problem. Keep it moist and your temps at their proper place and you should be fine though.

Now the tip. If you aren't going to past. it in water, the cow patties need to be a little older. I saw that if you are water pasteurizing, you can use anything dry enough to not stink, basically just a week or two old if it's been dry and sunny. But these fresher turds must be water pasteurized. I guess the water leeches away bad things(hence all the references to leeched dung in TMC), perhaps excessive nitrogen although thats just a guess. These same, relatively fresh cow pies when simply baked at pasteurizing temps performed much poorer than their steeped/leeched cousins. Colonization, contamination, and for those that made it, yield were all affected negatively.

So, use the oldest dung possible if you are baking. The older ones are not as thick, are much harder, although somewhat brittle, and more gray, even whitish. They can also tend to be kinda cemented to the pasture grass moreso than the fresher ones. The fresher friends can be used only if leeched by the water pasteurization proccess.

That being said, results were very comparable between the baked old pies and the leeched/steeped fresher ones. Remember when I say fresher, I still mean aged, as in long enough to be dry and not stink. And I don't mean to say that you will deffinatly fail with either age dung used with either pasturizing tek, just that you will notice a difference with colonization speed, contamination rates and yields if you prepare each of them both ways a couple of times.

I wonder if others have noticed this as wel, l and hope it is helpful.

BTW, how the hell do you spell deffinately?


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: mycofile]
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definitely


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: mycofile]
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Thanks mycofile,
there was an abundance of info in your post that I will be able to use.
I like the idea of using manure in growing substrates.
after all, it works for mother nature...right

BTW, i spell it that way to when I drink Coronas on friday nite heehee



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Re: cow dung Q [Re: mycofile]
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Can store bought dehydrated manure be put into jars and PCed and then colonized and cased like PF cakes? Does it need to be leeched with water too?

Thanks


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: psyphon]
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I haven't found it necessary, but store bought manures contaminate easier.

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Re: cow dung Q [Re: ]
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Why would store bought contaminate easier? And would this hold true even after an entire jar of it is colonized with no contams? I mean would the casing be more susceptible to contams if it was originally made with store bought?

Thanks for your replies.


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: psyphon]
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Other people seem to have gotten results. My opinion is that the only thing that store bought manure is good for is the garden. I've never seen a brand that wasn't so decomposed as to be nothing but soil. Might make a decent casing layer, certainly not a great one. At that, why bother, coir or peat or verm are all better casings. For substrates, get your dung from fields. Others may disagree, and you can listen to them if you like. I've never seen store bought dung worth buying.


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: mycofile]
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Re: cow dung Q [Re: ralphster44]
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NO, Ralph what you like is those Pans which horseshit produces.


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: ralphster44]
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Hey Ralph,
A friend of mine just received a Pan Cyan syringe from you.  I must say it looks great, nice and clumpy :smile:.  Anyway she was planning on using this recipe:
5 cups vermiculite
3 cups dung
10 tablespoons of brown rice flour
2 cups water
makes 10-12 half pints

using some "Bovung" that she picked up at Home Depot.  Is this a bad idea?  Should she wait and try to find some patties somehow?  If so how might this be done when cow pastures can't be found close by?

Thank you so much, my friend and I agree: YOU ROCK!!! :smile: 


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: psyphon]
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Well I have used HOFFMANS COMPOSTED MANURE and DEHYDRATED MANURE. Both worked for cubensis and Pans. Yields are less then Field pies, but if you are having trouble finding Field pies, these two products work. Supplementation with Flours, or just ryegrass seed improves yields.

If you have access to Field pies, OFCOURSE you should make use of them. There will be no argument from me there. But if for what ever reason you can't find the REAL DEAL, then I highly reccomend these two products as Alternatives.

I use a simple mixture of 4 parts Manure: 1part ryegrass seed: 1 part perlite at field capacity, Pressure cooked for 90 minutes at 15 psi, directly in Jars.
These are innoculated with Isolated Strains from AGAR, directly. Not multispored from a syringe!!!
Here is a fourth flush Pan. cyan isolate on the Hoffmans composted manure product supplemented with ryegrass seed and perlite 4:1:1



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Re: cow dung Q [Re: psyphon]
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The store bought has less available nutrition, yields a less Vigorous mycelial colony, and therefore contaminates easier. Different brands also have higher ratios of impurities,i.e chlorine etc... These can cause problems sometimes.

Using multispore syringe innoculation directly into this stuff can cause problems.

I usually get contamination after several flushes, but sometimes after only one flush.
Contamination can come at any stage of the game. Less nutrition equals less VIGOR, and easier contamination.

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Re: cow dung Q [Re: ]
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Thank you very much for your replies; very helpful and good pic too :smile:

I'm still unsure though.  How can some manure, verm, brf, half-pint jars, and a pan cyan syringe be turned into a good flush or two of pan cyan fruits?  Also if horse manure from a stable could be obtained, how could this be used?

Thanks. 


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Re: cow dung Q [Re: ralphster44]
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Anyone..I got access to a stable..with a dungheap...wouldnt that be ideal for cultivation, partly decompsed straw and horse manure..if pasturized..??

Peace
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