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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: chemiKalz]
    #5736080 - 06/10/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #5736096 - 06/10/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You are going to kill yourself because of a website? Wow, I would consider it the Darwin principle at work.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: RickFL239]
    #5736164 - 06/10/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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You are going to kill yourself because of a website?  Wow, I would consider it the Darwin principle at work.




Quoting Zimed:

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I have severe Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Social Anxiety Disorder, Depression and Derealization. These illnesses make living life extremely difficult.




http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=ODD&Number=5734483&page=0&fpart=1

Looks like there are many many other factors involved.  :shake:


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5736175 - 06/10/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I do have a problem. I came here thinking this would be a fucking knowledgable forum, without junkies, abusers, freaks, pedophiles, necropheliacs, perverts, murderers, criminals, thiefs, people without morality.





Someone didn't get treated nicely enough in OTD.  :lol:  :whatever:


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #5736336 - 06/10/06 11:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Fuck, you are an idiot. I rarely post on forums, I'm just one of those leeches that reads and doesn't post. But i feel good about posting this.

Did you notice that this is a forum? That means that ANYONE can post their opinions. Including all of the "junkies, abusers, freaks, pedophiles, necrophiliacs, perverts, murderers, criminals, thief's, people without morality."

If you can't deal with a forum where anyone can post messages, why are you even bothering to even read these messages? Why don't you goto a heavily moderated teen chat forum?

Another thing that i find curious is that you claim to have Social Anxiety Disorder. Maybe you have this because you can't add any positive input to ANY conversation? Its no bloody wonder you have Social Anxiety Disorder.

To be honest though, it sounds more like you're just some kid that likes winding people up for kicks. If this is the case, grow up. You sound like the sorta person that just gets kicks out of wasting other peoples time with the knowledge that winding people up works.
Well, any 14 year old can do a fine job of that, but most of them grow out of it by the time they're 15...

Oh, if you do decide to snuff it because you can't take other peoples opinions, I'll be the first to open a bottle of wine. It sounds like you're just trying to give yourself reasons and blame it on other people.

Anyway, fuck you for wasting our time.

Should we get back on topic now?

What does everyone else think about meditating for the purpose of psychedelic experience?


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: boobless]
    #5736390 - 06/11/06 12:00 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I find it personally heart-wrenching to see such a hateful exchange... Why do any of us feel a need to evaluate the methods we each use to experience the world? This is, without a doubt, senseless antagonism burning outwards from so many... If the man says he is able to acheive psycholytic states through a sensory-deprived meditation, so what? I find such an idea marvelous. Even if he feels a need to be critical of other methods, the need to criticize only comes from an inner hurt on his part! Is it so hard to remember that all things are one and the same? Forget about defending your own practices... What does such an action hope to accomplish? I wish that we could all, myself included, exhibit more compassion towards one another...


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5736405 - 06/11/06 12:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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WordlessNature said:
I find it personally heart-wrenching to see such a hateful exchange... Why do any of us feel a need to evaluate the methods we each use to experience the world? This is, without a doubt, senseless antagonism burning outwards from so many... If the man says he is able to acheive psycholytic states through a sensory-deprived meditation, so what? I find such an idea marvelous. Even if he feels a need to be critical of other methods, the need to criticize only comes from an inner hurt on his part! Is it so hard to remember that all things are one and the same? I wish that we could all, myself included, exhibit more compassion towards one another...



that's not the point. read his other posts, they're all judgemental and condescending and generally negative and not in any way productive contributions to the shroomery or it's memeber in any way. if someone else posted this and was nice about it, then maybe the thread would be taken seriously.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5736461 - 06/11/06 12:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I know what you mean... But would it not be better to simply ignore his posts, in that case? Anything else seems only to feed the negative cycles that he perpetuates upon himself, and acknowledges that he is impressing them upon others... I see no harm in simply being kind.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5736561 - 06/11/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The reason most would prefer to take a hallucinogen is because visuals are only a part of the experience, the other sensual hallucinations, altered emotions, and different mental states add to the overall trip.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5736674 - 06/11/06 12:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Why are all the freaks, murderers, jerks, pedophiles, necropheliacs, thiefs, kidnappers, animal abusers, perverts, abusers, junkies, criminals, fat-asses and so on in there? Is it a breeding ground, or something. Fuck. I would not consider any of the categories I have named, AWSOME. There are abusers, and junkies here that FUCKING shoot up whenever they stop shaking from there last fucking dosage....you know it...do not deny it. I changed my mind about psilocybin a while ago, after joining and going on a hunt. They are shit I believe. Reality is stupid as fuck, and mine needs to be fucking flushed down the sh it hole. I feel like I am going to slit my fucking wrists cause of this site...last night I tried to smother myself with a pillow because of this site but someone walked in and stopped be god ddamn it....so, as you can see, it is warped as fuck,



Dude this kid is sooo emo lmao.  Am I wrong to think it's utterly hilarious that someones talking about killing themself because of an INTERNET FORUM?!?  lmfao..  And WHATS WRONG WITH FAT-ASSES?!? :frown:


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: RickFL239]
    #5737264 - 06/11/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, yes, i know, i had a good giggle too, but as was said, lets get on topic. It IS an interesting topic, I'd initially clicked on it hoping to get something other than flames. Well, i did join in on the flaming, but I think he's gotten enough attention though.

Anyway, I have had just one experience of very deep meditation, it almost happened by accident.
I was rather sleep deprived, which for me is common. Lying in bed, i started repeating the word "sleep", over and over, just trying to keep my mind from wandering. It seemed like only twenty minutes or so had passed, but i fell into a rather blissful state, there was absolutely NOTHING. Utter bliss. It was almost like i was seeing all of my thoughts rushing past, but i had the will to keep them rushing past, i held onto absolutely nothing. After some time of this blissful nothingness, i started thinking of singular thoughts, i think by accident. What i found out however, was that i was able to visualize near perfectly what i was thinking.
I wasn't able to keep hold of this state however, so i slowly brought myself out of this state. When i finally opened my eyes and looked at a clock, about two hours had gone past. It really did seem like twenty minutes. After that, i was able to stay awake for about another 12 hours without even feeling tired. I was totally refreshed. There was no way that i had simply fallen asleep.

I have so far tried many times to replicate this experience with little success, achieving only relaxation, which admittedly is fantastic. I do surmise however, that the initial sleep deprivation might have contributed. It was definitely one of my fondest memories, especially as all i wanted was sleep!

My cat has tried many different Psychedelics, I would say that the result varies dramatically from "tripping" without drugs. I believe that there is no way to have a social experience with this sort of meditation/trip, despite only one occurrence of the event.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: boobless]
    #5737344 - 06/11/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Darwin principle for the win.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: LazyCrash]
    #5737357 - 06/11/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Darwin principle for the win.




Hehe...

Anyways... I have yet to be able to draw, play guitar, paint, or change songs while meditating so...


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: StickyWater]
    #5737481 - 06/11/06 10:36 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe i'll try this one day while high and im by myself. When I get real stoned an im not doing anything except staring at the wall, i'll go into some real deep thought.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Crillz]
    #5737618 - 06/11/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Zimed can I ask you a question? Have you ever been cloud watching and then decided that you would rather have the clouds dance and change colors instead of barely moving? Have you ever succeeded in getting them to do that? Have you ever looked at a wall and thought,"Why isn't that wall breathing as heavily as I am?" Have you ever looked at smoke and inquired,"Hmph, it would be real interesting if that amorphous blob of smoke suddenley turned into a bat and became one with the ceiling?" If you can make the pavement swirl around itself while you are walking down the street on your cell phone let me know. Then I will try your meditation.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5737801 - 06/11/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Zimed said:
Recently, it has become more and more evident that it is possibly to "trip", just like one would do so on Mescaline, Shrooms, LSD or Ketamine, without the use of the drug itself. You probably think I am crazy, correct? Wrong, I am saine. See, I have found a way to do this. All it takes i s some patience, and time. However, most people, I guess including lots on this forum lack patience, therefore taking the easier method of taking a drug. All one must do, is sit down in a pitch black room, close your eyes, and meditate on your deepest thoughts, and think, think hard, imagine with all your might, things, any things, and you will actually eventually begin to have closed eye visuals, and polygonal shapes. I know I did, when I did this method.

Why are people unwilling to do a safe, drug free equivalent to something you can achieve with mildly dangerouss drugs, that factor in, "bad trips". You'll never have a bad trip like this, you just get up, and walk off, sober. Music also helps a lot. And if you are wanting the inner self exploration/journey, then all you must do is meditate on your thoughts as well.

Thoughts?




what you are describing is what i beleive( i may be wrong) to be hypnognic shapes. a while back i was reading on lucid dreaming when i came acrosst the word these are shapes your brain makes you see to help make you fall asleep.


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