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Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs.
    #5735715 - 06/10/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Recently, it has become more and more evident that it is possibly to "trip", just like one would do so on Mescaline, Shrooms, LSD or Ketamine, without the use of the drug itself. You probably think I am crazy, correct? Wrong, I am saine. See, I have found a way to do this. All it takes i s some patience, and time. However, most people, I guess including lots on this forum lack patience, therefore taking the easier method of taking a drug. All one must do, is sit down in a pitch black room, close your eyes, and meditate on your deepest thoughts, and think, think hard, imagine with all your might, things, any things, and you will actually eventually begin to have closed eye visuals, and polygonal shapes. I know I did, when I did this method.

Why are people unwilling to do a safe, drug free equivalent to something you can achieve with mildly dangerouss drugs, that factor in, "bad trips". You'll never have a bad trip like this, you just get up, and walk off, sober. Music also helps a lot. And if you are wanting the inner self exploration/journey, then all you must do is meditate on your thoughts as well.

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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735722 - 06/10/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sane not saine


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735734 - 06/10/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I read your post, and no thanks. Id take any drug over this method any day.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: lsdandfrisbee]
    #5735741 - 06/10/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Meditation is good but it will never be anything close to premium pychoactive chemical induced hallucinations.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735750 - 06/10/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't think you can handle a large dose of whatever and are taking the easy way out and trying to do it "naturally." While you're doing that, I'll be talking to alien entities.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735775 - 06/10/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Zimed said:
...and meditate on your deepest thoughts, and think, think hard, imagine with all your might, things, any things, and you will actually eventually begin to have closed eye visuals...




I find that if I think too hard, meditation doesn't work as well for me. In my experience, it's good to be deep in thought, but not hard in thought.

edit: although I would eventually (years and years down the track) like to be able to phase out the use of some weaker drugs in favour of meditation, I don't feel it could ever replace the stronger ones ;>


Edited by triple_ (06/10/06 09:46 PM)


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: triple_]
    #5735844 - 06/10/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It's possible but not anywhere near the same.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: RickFL239]
    #5735869 - 06/10/06 10:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

But, see you can MAKE it the same. We have total control of our brain and body, therefore, we can induce any sort of mental, state we like, all that is needed is pure concentration, and meditation. At least with this way, you'll know you did it all on your own, without any drugs. I do not know why you say I can not tolerate a high dose of drugs....I can, and probably will, but I believe naturality is best....


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735873 - 06/10/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if you don't like the way we do things then you can leave.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735875 - 06/10/06 10:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Extreme sensory deprivation definitely has been known to produce psychedelic experiences.  Meditation, sleep deficiencies, and nutritional deficiencies have also been known to produce psychedelic experiences.  I have never had a psychedelic experience through these methods so I don't know how similar they are to drug induced psychedelic experiences.  I assume that they must be at least somewhat different.  But just for the sake of argument lets assume they produce similar results (though some expert meditators who have used psychedelic drugs have actually said that meditation produces better results than drugs).  If you want to go somewhere ten miles from your house, how would you rather get there?  Would you rather walk or drive a car?  It takes a lot of practice to be able to have a profound psychedelic experience through meditation for instance?  If your stable (not schizophrenic, etc.) and you are willing to accept the risks (which are not as great as most people assume IMHO) I think it would be beneficial to use a psychedelic drug, at least until you learn how to meditate, etc. more effectively.  How have your experiences with your own method changed your life?  I saw in another post that you had never tripped.  Do your experiences using this method compare to other people's accounts about their experiences with psychedelic drugs?  I suppose you would have to have had psychedelic experiences through sensory deprivation and psychedelic drugs to know for sure though.  I'm glad you've found a method that is beneficial for your growth that doesn't involve psychedelic drugs though if you don't want to do them though.  Good luck.  :smile:


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: dazed1980]
    #5735895 - 06/10/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Zimed---ever since you've been here pretty much all your posts have been condescending and patronizing. you can leave if you don't like it. this community is gigantic, and it's almost totally based on drugs and drug use (or drug abuse in some cases). most people here understand the duality of drugs and their positive and negative properties. if you have a problem with it or anyone here, leave. thanks.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5735920 - 06/10/06 10:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Zimed, In your first posts you were looking for active mushrooms and now you are against drugs...whats the deal?


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5735922 - 06/10/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I do have a problem. I came here thinking this would be a fucking knowledgable forum, without junkies, abusers, freaks, pedophiles, necropheliacs, perverts, murderers, criminals, thiefs, people without morality.

Drug usage is taken so lightly here, it makes me want to cry. I just read a threead about some fucker, sucking morphine lollipops...how does that make someone like me feel? I have enough god damn problems in my shit hole reality, with out having a fucked out place like this cause me to have suicidale thoughts because there are so many ass holes, and addressing opinions only brings you under the FUCKING gillotine here.

Shit

(I appreciate you being nice in your statement....it's a good break)



Trying a drug once, like psilocybin, is different than morphine junkies!


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735951 - 06/10/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Zimed said:
I do have a problem. I came here thinking this would be a fucking knowledgable forum, without junkies, abusers, freaks, pedophiles, necropheliacs, perverts, murderers, criminals, thiefs, people without morality.

Drug usage is taken so lightly here, it makes me want to cry. I just read a threead about some fucker, sucking morphine lollipops...how does that make someone like me feel? I have enough god damn problems in my shit hole reality, with out having a fucked out place like this cause me to have suicidale thoughts because there are so many ass holes, and addressing opinions only brings you under the FUCKING gillotine here.

Shit

(I appreciate you being nice in your statement....it's a good break)



Trying a drug once, like psilocybin, is different than morphine junkies!



that's where you're wrong. many people here do drugs very responsibly, even those who do heroin and opium and other highly addictive substances...many use the responsibly, and in moderation. don't say that trying psilocybin is any better than trying morphine. don't say shit you don't know about, because you are not those people.

drug usage may be taken lightly here, but that's what this community is based on - drug use. is that really so odd, considering? this community is very knowledgable and can help you with pretty much any question you could ever have about drugs and their use and effects and most other things. it will not be helpful to you if you come here asking for help in a judgemental, holier than thou, manner, with a cunitsh attitude.

all the freaks are in OTD anyway, and they're all awesome freaks. except TM maybe, but wtf, he's got one leg and a hostage-dog, lol.

so in conclusion, as I've said before, and others have said too: If you don't like it, leave.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5735971 - 06/10/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You ARE too preachy. You shouldn't be so judgemental. Also, I have read a lot of posts but I haven't heard of anyone here indicate that they were pedophiles or murders or some of the other things you listed. Where did you get that from? Don't take this the wrong way--I am not trying to be mean--if you are that sensitive to other people's opinions and you are having suicidal thoughts you really need to get some help. And I recommend that you don't do any drugs if you are that unstable. But just because they are not for you don't judge other people for doing them.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: HeadTripVertigo]
    #5735981 - 06/10/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why are all the freaks, murderers, jerks, pedophiles, necropheliacs, thiefs, kidnappers, animal abusers, perverts, abusers, junkies, criminals, fat-asses and so on in there? Is it a breeding ground, or something. Fuck. I would not consider any of the categories I have named, AWSOME. There are abusers, and junkies here that FUCKING shoot up whenever they stop shaking from there last fucking dosage....you know it...do not deny it. I changed my mind about psilocybin a while ago, after joining and going on a hunt. They are shit I believe. Reality is stupid as fuck, and mine needs to be fucking flushed down the sh it hole. I feel like I am going to slit my fucking wrists cause of this site...last night I tried to smother myself with a pillow because of this site but someone walked in and stopped be god ddamn it....so, as you can see, it is warped as fuck,


Edited by Zimed (06/10/06 10:29 PM)


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: dazed1980]
    #5736009 - 06/10/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch...25&Searchpage=0

look at all his posts, you can just mouse over the thread titles and it'll show you his individual posts. I looked at around 30 and not a one has been positive or helpful in any way.

and if you're going to kill yourself over a web site.... well. well...shit, there's just nothing you can say to even begin to comment on the ridiculousness and stupidity of that concept.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5736014 - 06/10/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If you really are seriously thinking about harming yourself, go get help! Call someone you know or call a suicide hotline. Don't hurt or yourself take your frustrations out on other people. It is EXTREMELY rude. Don't take this the wrong way--I am not being mean --but you should go see a psychiatrist. You have some serious problems. Good luck.


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5736018 - 06/10/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, its called moving your assemblage point. But there are many differences... for instance when you use Salvia, you allow the teacher entity control of your assemblage point. Therefore you have little control of where Salvia moves it - it would be impossible to recreate this with your own "mind control."

If your interested I could go on...


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Re: Hallucinating or "Tripping" Without Drugs. [Re: Zimed]
    #5736038 - 06/10/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Zimed said:
Why are all the freaks, murderers, jerks, pedophiles, necropheliacs, thiefs, kidnappers, animal abusers, perverts, abusers, junkies, criminals, fat-asses and so on in there? Is it a breeding ground, or something. Fuck. I would not consider any of the categories I have named, AWSOME. There are abusers, and junkies here that FUCKING shoot up whenever they stop shaking from there last fucking dosage....you know it...do not deny it. I changed my mind about psilocybin a while ago, after joining and going on a hunt. They are shit I believe. Reality is stupid as fuck, and mine needs to be fucking flushed down the sh it hole. I feel like I am going to slit my fucking wrists cause of this site...last night I tried to smother myself with a pillow because of this site but someone walked in and stopped be god ddamn it....so, as you can see, it is warped as fuck,




MOD EDIT: it's rare to see such blatant flames as were removed from this post. Please don't let it happen again.


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