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Schwammel
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If God doesn't exist
#5735462 - 06/10/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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why am I talking to him?
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Icelander
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735474 - 06/10/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Misunderstanding the nature of reality perhaps?
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Icelander]
#5735478 - 06/10/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Because you are a lonely, imaginative individual?
I recall you stating that you are dyslexic earlier today, perhaps you are just talking to your pet? 
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Icelander]
#5735481 - 06/10/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thank you
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Schwammel
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735549 - 06/10/06 08:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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but if he does exist
what then?
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735572 - 06/10/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Then you're talking to us in the Shroomery when you're talking to GOD as well? What the fuck are you doing posting here?
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735588 - 06/10/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What then? Don't worry about it. Just relax, live your life, bring awareness withing yourself, and directly perceive reality for what it is.
If there is God, and it is possible to know God, then such realization will spring forth naturally from that. Don't make assumptions, don't form beliefs, just simply observe and take notes. Question everything. 
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talking with god and posting messages... what do you think
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McKennaDMT said: Then you're talking to us in the Shroomery when you're talking to GOD as well? What the fuck are you doing posting here?
He's doing both at the same time, talking to God through the Shroomery...
Hello! Avatar! Screen name! Just who do you think God is? 
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Well, I thought it was myself, now I'm confused. Daddy?
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I'm not claiming any responsibilty for you, as I'm not anywhere near that stupid. 

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Its me, myself and I but somehow I got displaced... and I couldn't figure it out.
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If God created everything, ... "Framing the nothingness it could be." Thus created every potential creation, creating optional potentials, of ever changing change, ...
Could one not then be one of, them?
Are you not, a part of God; as God, through God!?
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Gomp]
#5735655 - 06/10/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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96% of the universe is empty.
Is god 96% empty?
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fireworks_god said: I'm not claiming any responsibilty for you, as I'm not anywhere near that stupid. 

 Peace.
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why am I talking to him...
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735701 - 06/10/06 09:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Schwammel said: why am I talking to him?
If God didn't exist, then life would be meaningless. That's not something i am willing to accept even if it is true, because truth has no meaning if life is meaningless.
Whenever I find myself questioning God's existence, I always talk to him about it.
It's sort of like the cell phone commercial; "Can you hear me now?" 
Of course God exists. Keep talking and keep listening.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: shroomydan]
#5735714 - 06/10/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: If God didn't exist, then life would be meaningless.
That isn't exactly the most logical if/then statement ever proposed.
Meaning and purpose are defined by aware minds. Meaning does not rely on God to exist.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735725 - 06/10/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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god to me, isn't the "God" in fairy tales...
its the god of my dreams
sometimes we talk
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735740 - 06/10/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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you can create anything in your mind to be true to you...do you get the point?
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Your lack of understanding does not make what I said illogical. It only means that you do not understand. I wasn't talking to you anyway.
I see your grammar is getting better, and you have changed your avatar. 
If you would like me to tutor you in logic I am available via PM.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: shroomydan]
#5735770 - 06/10/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ouch. Play nice fellas.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5735778 - 06/10/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sometimes i get confused...
Thank you for the help.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: shroomydan]
#5735988 - 06/10/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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shroomydan said: Your lack of understanding does not make what I said illogical.
No, the fact that the existance of a "God" cannot be validated through any rational means, and the fact that the existance of meaning does not rely on the existance of any such abstract concept referred to as "God", makes what you stated illogical. 
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It only means that you do not understand.
It only means that you will not be capable of demonstrating to us any sort of basis for your if/then statement. 
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I wasn't talking to you anyway.
I am not concerned with who you were conversing with. This is, and remains, an open forum. 
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I see your grammar is getting better, and you have changed your avatar. 
I am a being that actively strives for constant improvement, development, and transformation. I consider myself to be quite transcendent. 
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If you would like me to tutor you in logic I am available via PM.
It sounds interesting, but I have to question the authenticity of the logic you would be teaching. 
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5736275 - 06/10/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Schwammel said: why am I talking to him?
Go back to the hospital.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
#5737087 - 06/11/06 03:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Schwammel said: why am I talking to him?
Follow the inner voice.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: gregorio]
#5737800 - 06/11/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If god doesn't exist then why did evolution take on this image of us? How did natural selection makes its determinations? If their was no guide, then how did it know how far to travel? Can you really explain creation as purly a domino effect? There has to be something to set it up and get it started.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: shroomydan]
#5737848 - 06/11/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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If God didn't exist, then life would be meaningless. That's not something i am willing to accept even if it is true, because truth has no meaning if life is meaningless.
FG is right IMO, meaning is interpreted subjectively. One man's trash is another's treasure. If you want a meaningful life, then you will find one, regardless of whether or not life has any inherent meaning. Eckhart said that life has no meaning, rather life IS meaning. If you want to attach meaning to something, I would suggest life as meaning rather than God as meaning, because haven't you heard? God is dead!
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: capliberty]
#5737872 - 06/11/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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capliberty said: If god doesn't exist then why did evolution take on this image of us? How did natural selection makes its determinations? If their was no guide, then how did it know how far to travel? Can you really explain creation as purly a domino effect? There has to be something to set it up and get it started.
No there doesn't. Perceivable reality is cause and effect. There cannot logically have been a first cause, because then a cause would have arisen without any basis. It would be the effect of absolutely nothing. If perceivable reality was like this, then things would be arising spontaneously all the time. For instance a unicorn might appear suddenly on the sidewalk in front of me. Things wouldn't need causes to arise. This isn't the case however, as nothing can arise without the proper causes and conditions being present. The only reasonable conclusion is that cause and effect are beginningless. It does boggle the mind, and this is good! 
Why did things evolve the way they did you ask? The causes and conditions were appropriate. If they were different, then naturally the results would likewise be different.
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: dblaney]
#5737951 - 06/11/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Why did things evolve the way they did you ask? The causes and conditions were appropriate. If they were different, then naturally the results would likewise be different.
our image was totally appropriate for our conditions, to a certain extent within the plane of our existence. We adapted to the equation once we were selected but this doesn't explain it all. I think I can image a few more images that could be appropriate for our conditions, its all realitive in my opinion, this is not a valid argument to exclude randomness.
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