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Invisibleshroomydan
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5735755 - 06/10/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Your lack of understanding does not make what I said illogical. It only means that you do not understand. I wasn't talking to you anyway. 

I see your grammar is getting better, and you have changed your avatar.  :thumbup:

If you would like me to tutor you in logic I am available via PM.


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InvisiblePenguarky Tunguin
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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: shroomydan]
    #5735770 - 06/10/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ouch.  Play nice fellas.  :grin:


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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
    #5735778 - 06/10/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

sometimes i get confused...

Thank you for the help.


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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: shroomydan]
    #5735988 - 06/10/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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shroomydan said:
Your lack of understanding does not make what I said illogical.




No, the fact that the existance of a "God" cannot be validated through any rational means, and the fact that the existance of meaning does not rely on the existance of any such abstract concept referred to as "God", makes what you stated illogical. :shrug:

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It only means that you do not understand.




It only means that you will not be capable of demonstrating to us any sort of basis for your if/then statement. :wink:

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I wasn't talking to you anyway.




I am not concerned with who you were conversing with. This is, and remains, an open forum. :grin:

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I see your grammar is getting better, and you have changed your avatar.  :thumbup:




I am a being that actively strives for constant improvement, development, and transformation. :tongue: I consider myself to be quite transcendent. :smirk:

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If you would like me to tutor you in logic I am available via PM.




It sounds interesting, but I have to question the authenticity of the logic you would be teaching. :shocked:

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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
    #5736275 - 06/10/06 11:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Schwammel said:
why am I talking to him?




Go back to the hospital.


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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: Schwammel]
    #5737087 - 06/11/06 03:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Schwammel said:
why am I talking to him?




Follow the inner voice.


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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: gregorio]
    #5737800 - 06/11/06 12:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If god doesn't exist then why did evolution take on this image of us? How did natural selection makes its determinations? If their was no guide, then how did it know how far to travel? Can you really explain creation as purly a domino effect? There has to be something to set it up and get it started.


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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: shroomydan]
    #5737848 - 06/11/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If God didn't exist, then life would be meaningless. That's not something i am willing to accept even if it is true, because truth has no meaning if life is meaningless.

FG is right IMO, meaning is interpreted subjectively. One man's trash is another's treasure. If you want a meaningful life, then you will find one, regardless of whether or not life has any inherent meaning. Eckhart said that life has no meaning, rather life IS meaning. If you want to attach meaning to something, I would suggest life as meaning rather than God as meaning, because haven't you heard? God is dead! :wink:


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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: capliberty]
    #5737872 - 06/11/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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capliberty said:
If god doesn't exist then why did evolution take on this image of us? How did natural selection makes its determinations? If their was no guide, then how did it know how far to travel? Can you really explain creation as purly a domino effect? There has to be something to set it up and get it started.




No there doesn't. Perceivable reality is cause and effect. There cannot logically have been a first cause, because then a cause would have arisen without any basis. It would be the effect of absolutely nothing. If perceivable reality was like this, then things would be arising spontaneously all the time. For instance a unicorn might appear suddenly on the sidewalk in front of me. Things wouldn't need causes to arise. This isn't the case however, as nothing can arise without the proper causes and conditions being present. The only reasonable conclusion is that cause and effect are beginningless. It does boggle the mind, and this is good! :thumbup:

Why did things evolve the way they did you ask? The causes and conditions were appropriate. If they were different, then naturally the results would likewise be different.


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"What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?"

"Belief is a beautiful armor
But makes for the heaviest sword"
- John Mayer

Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln


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Re: If God doesn't exist [Re: dblaney]
    #5737951 - 06/11/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Why did things evolve the way they did you ask? The causes and conditions were appropriate. If they were different, then naturally the results would likewise be different.




our image was totally appropriate for our conditions, to a certain extent within the plane of our existence. We adapted to the equation once we were selected but this doesn't explain it all. I think I can image a few more images that could be appropriate for our conditions, its all realitive in my opinion, this is not a valid argument to exclude randomness.


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