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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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Ahhhhhh that potent joy! to be alive... and in communication with a soul like you. A fantastic dream indeed. So much light, so much clarity. Dreaming aloud with people you love is crucial i think... this networking, and sharing of ideas, is what will usher this revolution in to the world at large. Oh shit! i just remembered something: WE ARE GOING TO SAVE THE WORLD. not that it realy needs saving. But i was just reminded that we have in our hands and in our hearts and in our minds a sacred fire, given by god to guide the human race in this time and place. We hold the essential ingredient, the creative spark empowered by faith. Dreaming, dreaming is happening everywhere. Me and my dad dream of eco-sustainable cabin properties, farming collectives, do it yourself, grow it yourself living of animals and humans in peacefull harmony. SO many crucial pieces are being given all the time. Every instant is a new download of the vital information. The information that will allow us to construct a new paradigm and model for living for a new age, a way to heal or transform the gaian (earth) experiment. Or at least... we could do this. OR perhaps we will just forge for ourselves perfect tranquil dreams. perhaps saving ourselves and saving the world are one and the same. But i do know this: all change begins within. be the change you want to see, etc. The spread is natural! oh god, its all so clear now. If we think clear, breathe clear, dream clear, dance clear, then the world is already saved. Every instant we are defining our realities, choosing one out of an infinite number of possible realities from the eternal and featureless flux. If we simply remain in a state of love, a state of rememberance of god, then we naturally select the highest, the holiest of those possible worlds, and so again and again we find ourselves surrounded by beauty when we could just as easily be living in hell. This is what they call "grace" can you feel it? HOLY FUCKING LAMB OF GOD! i am the sourceless source of all creation! from our awakened minds flow the psychedelic colours and fluxes of an infinite universe. ok... im getting strung out now! but im so excited, because i FEEL it now, i feel and understand! We really are these shamans in our dream caves... So keep dreaming! let that be your main thought! All you need to do is ENVISION it! see it, so that it can be! remember IF YOU CAN CONCIEVE IT YOU CAN BELIEVE IT IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT, YOU CAN PERCIEVE IT simple as that. Concieve, believe, percieve thought+faith = reality We love you End transmission
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Wow, you must be dyslexic too. ![]() Reality unfolds by its own accord. We directly perceive reality, and then we conceptualize in order to build a representation of reality with which we navigate reality. Belief isn't very effective in this process, either. To propose that perception follows all of the abstract mental processes in the order of operations deeply underscores the nature of a mind that is obscured from reality. To act in such a way is to decide what a movie is about and firmly believe that the movie is about what you have decided it to be before you have even watched the movie. ![]() Any mind that functions in such a manner probably has difficulty in implementing their plans and goals, as they truly live in an illusory, imaginative world which does not reflect the true world, which is a sea full of riptides of cause and effect, presented as it is. If one does not directly perceive reality for what it is, then one will not be able to succesfully navigate the flows in the water, nor have a sense of "where one is at", or where anything else is, and will not be very capable of being "where one is at" or in getting there. I'd propose opening your eyes first and keeping the thought and belief to an absolute, practical minimum. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Auk Registered: 12/10/05 Posts: 845 Last seen: 17 years, 3 months |
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Thank you for the wonderful posts,,,
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Dr. Teasy Thighs Registered: 12/02/05 Posts: 14,794 Loc: red panda villag Last seen: 2 years, 10 months |
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Quote: That could be called anticipation. And you could be right or wrong... but this is another matter. Now you either weren't able to read between the lines (which I'm quite sure you didn't), or you just wanted to contradict Moonshoe... for some reason. My conclusion after I read what he said there was that we can really change the world, which is not really such a novelty since we're doing that since... we're here. We made our own way of living, our set of rules... etc, as I'm sure you can see. And we also made our problems, possible dangers and so on. All these came from our minds, from our imagination. So yes, he is right... we can change everything, and he's not talking about a movie or some stupid ambition in which he can sustain that Everest, for example must be a beach. What you did is you got out of the context a piece of writing which can be interpreted in a million ways. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Whatever term you wish to refer to it in order to please you, but such an action seperates oneself from the direct perception and experience of reality, preventing one from being able to truly experience reality for what it is, entirely immersed in the present moment, fully aware... Quote: No, it is this matter. Either we perceive reality first and foremost, before our mental processes begin interpreting and conceptualizing a representation of reality, or we don't. He made a straightforward proclamation regarding the order of operations concerning our perception of reality, and I directly addressed the issue. Quote: Perhaps I proposed an alternate viewpoint on the matter because, from my perspective, that of the primacy of existence, and that of the scientific analysis of how we collect sensory data from our sensory devices' interaction with reality, his statements were incorrect. "For some reason.."... the reason being that he was wrong. ![]() And what of "reading between the lines"? Was I suspossed to exclaim "Groovy, man, I felt your vibrations! You were saying that we, like, change things, but in doing so, you completely misrepresented the way we perceive reality, but that's all right, because I can read between the lines!"? ![]() Quote: Super. Great. Thanks for sharing. I, however, found reason to address other points implied by his post, to express thoughts and ideas that were different. This doesn't mean that I "read the post out of context". Discussion can exist on a variety of levels and can be directed towards a variety of related points. I didn't feel the need to state "oh, he is saying we can change things, I better simply affirm that and disregard the blatant misunderstanding that was expressed as well". ![]() Quote: Of course, naturally. We utilize our minds. Great. Quote: Haha, not as such, no. Quote: All right, I will make it simple for you, so that you do not need to scroll back up again (hey, that takes effort) in order to read the discussion again. Quote: Quote: I don't know how to make it any more clear for you. He clearly proposes that reality is created by us through our conceptions and our beliefs, that we perceive as a result of doing so. Uh, no, that isn't how it works. We directly perceive reality. We then interpret our sensory data obtained from reality and form a mental representation of it. We then take such into consideration, all the while continously, directly perceiving reality, and engage in behavior that influences the manner in which reality unfolds. I've already raised my points on the issue. You have no ground upon which to question my points or to attempt to suggest that my points are "out of context". We are allowed to raise viewpoints that might even directly refute others viewpoints, and the purpose in doing so is for the benefit of all involved, not ".. for some reason". Engage in productive discussion, by all means, but don't sit on the sidelines and be all like "you read that wrong! out of context!" ![]() Quote: Is that what I did? To me, "which can be interpreted in a million ways" signifies that the piece of writing was perhaps broad, vauge, ambigious. Obviously, if something can be interpreted in a million ways, then there isn't exactly much of a context that one could get it out of, eh? I'd recommend saving the analysis of "what I did" for yo' momma. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Dr. Teasy Thighs Registered: 12/02/05 Posts: 14,794 Loc: red panda villag Last seen: 2 years, 10 months |
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OMG you REALLY need to be right. I think I've overread "let me make it clear for you" in your post...
Yes, maybe the guy was swept away by the idea and went too far with some affirmations, but I don't really see why you pointed it out so agressive, deniyng the entire post. You made CLEAR for me, I can undertand perfeclty what you sustain butmore then half of what you said containde words like Quote: and Quote: and also Quote: Well you see what I mean. I think you got a little nervous that somedy "dared" to contradict you... which you could very well explain calm and to the subject. And also think you got too absorbed by the idea of being roght that well, I faind your post far beyond exagerated. I usually like your post and I find them inteligent, but dude, you made a too big deal out of what happened here. Lol -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
Edited by MushroomTrip (06/10/06 08:38 PM)
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Clearly and directly addressing points raised in discussion equates with "REALLY" needing to be right? Its perhaps too much to ask to participate in the discussion raised, or not, and to not continue to offer opinions on what other posters need, do, etc. etc. etc. etc.? Quote: First and foremost, I didn't deny an entire post. Second off, I never implied an aggressive tone. Being thorough, direct, and engaged in expressing serious thought on a matter is not aggressive, nor is it evident of an overwhelming need to feel right on a matter. I duly apologize for not being so casual in discussion here, but it is what I come here for, and I enjoy the manner in which I participate in dicussion. ![]() Quote: No, I do not see what you mean. What, exactly, do you mean? Quote: Honestly, I do not concern myself with such, as I see the pursuit of such to be unfufilling and trivial. I think that you might contemplate giving up on your attempts to analyze other posters' personal character, as doing so is not exactly aligned with the purposes and intents of this forum, as expressed in the rules and guidelines of this forum. ![]() Quote: I think I actively engage myself in attempting to convey my precise thoughts in a matter that will most effectively make them available for others to understand. There is nothing wrong with ensuring that one clearly and pertinently makes one's point, certainly not in a forum involved with philosophy. As I have already stated, I enjoy the pursuit of such discussion, and I implore that you might consider joining the discussion at hand, instead of creating an off-topic discussion about me. Quote: If that is your opinion, then so be it, but it is to be noted that I am not the one who made a deal out of what I had to contribute to this thread in the first place. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Dr. Teasy Thighs Registered: 12/02/05 Posts: 14,794 Loc: red panda villag Last seen: 2 years, 10 months |
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Quote: Yeah I shoulnd't start an off-topic about you and I'm not going to continue it, all I've said it's been said and sorry if I was wrong but you clearly gave me the impression tahe your first rely ti what I said was somehow irritated. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: You may have intrepreted it as such, but I do not believe that I was irritated. If anything, I was enjoying the oppurtunity to get into some old fashioned debate. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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![]() fireworks god... everything you experience is an inkblot. An inherently meaningless collection of photons hitting your retinas. What it is is what you make it. In this case, you have chosen to interperet my post in a way that is completely unique to you, and almost completely divorced from my original meaning. everything you have said in reply to my post is in fact simply talking to yourself, responding to interpretations that you have fabricated. You have missed my meaning. That is fine. My words are spoken, and it is for each reader to decide what, if anything, they get from them. I love you all Peace Edited by Moonshoe (06/11/06 09:03 AM)
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: If that is so, then what was your "original meaning"? You clearly stated that one conceives, then believes, and then perceives. Perception is the first thing that occurs. One doesn't create reality, and to think that reality lies contingent upon oneself is rather egotistical. Quote: With such logic, it applies to everyone. Everyone perceives reality, forms interpretations of reality, and acts based upon the representations of reality that they have formed. Using such as a point agansit me doesn't make a lot of sense, I'm afraid. Everything you have expressed, referring to me and my posts, is simply you responding to your own interpretations that you have fabricated. See? It goes both ways. I'd suggest taking more responsibility for one's position than that. ![]() Quote: It is remarkable that you are so dedicated to open discussion with others. It must be that egotistical thing again.... "God has spoken, do with it what you will!". I responded to specific points in order to offer clarification and a bit of reason for the benefit of others who might not take your sermon with a grain of salt. They'll read it and say "If I firmly believe reality is this, then it is, because I create it!", and they will miss out on any oppurtunity to discover spirituality, which implies bringing awareness into the present moment, directly perceiving reality first and foremost, and keeping the mind and its abstractions from obstructing such perception. Once again, this forum is the place for engaged discussion, even if others wish to "miss the meaning" (which probably means stating "you are right, Its simple, you stated perception occcurs after conception and belief, and I maintain that we perceive reality prior to any mental processing of the sensory data that results from such perception. You present that we create reality, and I maintain that we exist as an aspect of reality, directly perceiving reality, and then influencing the manner in which reality unfolds. I dunno, perhaps if you are not too interested in discussing your ideas with others and you do not feel compelled to interact with others to convey your meaning ("my words are spoken, and it is their decision what they may take from them"), then you might consider posting in another, similar forum? I'm simply trying to grasp the point of preaching to a group that engages in discussion, when one doesn't wish to do likewise. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Quote: Perhaps all of the misunderstanding here is related to how the word reality is defined. FG, you sound like you are talking about observing neutrally objective reality and moon was talking about creating both subjective and objective reality, realizing they are the same thing to the creator, and perceiver of them. Take objective reality on planet earth without humans. The trees, and oceans were here before we were. Now, you can directly perceive, houses made from trees and boats made from the trees to sail the oceans with. Who made those. Who is directly percieiving living in the houses and sailing the boats. Humans did and are because they had beliefs about things they were able to confirm. They changed objective reality as a result. An observer of this planet 30,000 years ago and now would see two different objective realities. The landscape has changed much because of what humans have been able to change by taking action with the raw materials of imagination, ideas, beliefs, and even raw physical materials. Plastic wasn't here back then nor was Kevlar. Were the creators of those things rather egoistical? What did that comment mean? Say you the observer see a classroom of 6 year olds sitting quiet and still. They are following "rules" made by humans. Is the reality you are directly perceiving a true or false one. The children are REALLY still, and Really quiet. This can be video taped for objective review later and proved. People make up rules and then agree to follow them and change the experience of reality for themselves. Without those rules, the kids would be jumping off their desks, rocking in their chairs, laughing, yelling, teasing, and so on. How can you say with a straight face that humans do not create the direct reality you perceive as the observer? Being caught up in "neutral observer mode", though interesting, is where we have removed ourselves from being an interactive part of creating what is real and can be real. It renders us powerless to effect things. Further, if in it to long, we can come to believe that we are powerless to effect things and then can find ourselves making comments like - Quote: I can see why someone posted wondering what your idea of logic is. Watch for being stuck in observer mode as it's a powerless place to be. Noce place to visit for a rest, but not to live in while attached to a physical body. If I am looking at an empty space in my yard, do you really believe, I can not change the shape of whats really there? Do you really believe that I can not put in a garden and fountain, a swimming pool, play set, or sand dune? Do you really believe that I cannot make up rules for how others are to use the space, if myself and others also made up rules about property ownership and rights to do so? And are not others living in compliance with those rules, creating that reality or not? Say I decide to believe that being kind to others is an "ideal" way to live. Are you saying that my choosing to act in kindness will not change the landscape of the reality I experience nor have an effect on the reality of the others I am acting kindly towards? Are you saying that I do not have the ability nor power to choose to share my apple pie with you in an act of kindness, or smash it into your face in an act of malice? I can choose to do either or something else and my choice will have an impact on the reality (what really objectively happened) that we both experience in that moment. We do have the power to shape and create objective reality and we do it via our beliefs, ideas and ideals, making choices and taking action. You have the power to decide how you will respond or react to my choice. We will be creating a symbiotic reality together with the pie. Being the silent neutral observer is an interesting place to be and you can learn a lot from that place. It's also how we view reality objectively. Be careful not to slip into a belief that you do not exists as anything but that, nor does anyone else. To believe that you, nor anyone else, has the power to "create reality and be a cause of how it will unfold" is how one can find themselves in a delusional state. If I decide to put a garden with fountains into that empty space of yard, I am creating the unfolding of a reality, am I not? Or I can choose to just observe the space and see how it unfolds on its own. I would pretty much be watching grass and then weeds grow year after year. True, we can watch reality unfold without our effecting it. We can also choose how we, will it, to unfold for ourselves, by taking action on our ideals, with our beliefs of what can be, usually having come from our imagination and knowledge of how things are constructed. Look around you at all that is human made and that can be verified? Even the intangible stuff like the signing and co-operation to act in accordance with Peace Treaties between Nations. Were the two Nations being "egotistical" to live by the peace treaty they developed and agreed to? If you want to move up in management with your employer, that ideal reality isn't going to naturally unfold by itself. You will have to do things to make it happen. You will have to create your future management, probable reality for yourself if it comes to be. You'll also have to believe it can be done or else why bother taking action to make it become real. If anyone here has misunderstood you, can you please elaborate what you meant by this statement.- Quote:
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Registered: 04/15/05 Posts: 11,089 |
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In each of the examples you provided, the first step to creating a different reality was the accurate perception of the existing reality. F_g's point was:
Quote: Thus the way in which we may create or interact with reality is: perceive current reality, conceive of an alternate reality, believe that we can take action to create that reality, TAKE ACTION on our vision and beliefs, then (finally) perceive the results of our actions. Thought + Faith = reality is not a complete formula, as it omits the most important aspect: ACTION. Without value-based action, dreams are formless and insubstantial.
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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That really wasn't what I was addressing in FW's post. See again his comment I quoted.
You did a nice job though of summing up his reply to your interpretation of it. I agree with the action part as well. Perhaps that is what others who had no conflict with moons post "read between the lines". FG just could have just said then, "don't forget to take action or else, all of this is just fluff in the aethers. " That's not really what I was replying too though. I still want FW to explain what he meant by what I quoted. That's what my reply to him was addressing, that quote. According to what you clarified for him, bu using the formula you interpreted him to be sharing, we do indeed create our own realities and or can with the formula. He said we don't and can't and it was egoistical to believe so. ![]() I also want to know what is egotistical (as if it's a bad thing) about that, if we actually are using the formula to make great things happen like peace negotiations.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Mine(d) Registered: 05/08/04 Posts: 330 Loc: sky hi Last seen: 11 years, 5 months |
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Im curious about the quote you bring up jiggy aswell as this quote:
Quote: This thread kinda confuses me, I like that. I dont fully understand your views, on what reality is fwg. This statement seems rather subjective to me. I dont think I see a difference between conceptualization and beleif. Again Im not synching with much of this atm. Peace.
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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Yes and hopefully he will address this stuff when he gets back on line.
Quote: Same as saying "then we form a belief in order to create a reality of it to experience" Veritas cleared up the only technical error of the word Action not being added to the formula, which would be the only debatable thing. We all know how this stuff works. Get an idea, from reality or the imagination, come up with a valid reason and way to make it doable, believe it's doable, then take action to make it for real. Even a change of perspective can be a form of taking action. Physical action is not always required to create a different reality landscape to experience though. Often, just a simple change of perspective can take you from hells kitchen to heavens warm embrace. I think that is the sort of action moon was mostly focusing on, actively changing ones perspective to create that reality to experience. I think that part gets left out a lot, like in moons formula , because people don't think of shifting perspective as an active mental state and therefore, a form of taking positive action to create experiential change without leaving your chair.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: I do not differentiate between objective and subjective reality. Reality is all-encompassing. One's "subjective" reality is still based upon direct perception of reality first and foremost. Quote: Humans, quite simply, do not create reality. Humans exist as aspects of reality, and they interact with other aspects of reality in manners that influence and change the ways that reality unfolds, or comes into being. Quote: My statement is that human beings do not create reality. Humans do not cause reality to exist, and human beings, with their beliefs and conceptions, do not produce reality. If anything, reality is produced through them. "Reality" is ultimate, and in every single moment, we directly perceive reality (regardless of how aware we are of such perception). We perceive reality, and we process the information. We then engage in behavior that further unfolds reality. Nothing I have expressed implies that we are not capable of initiating action, or behaving in manners that produce change within reality. We, essentially, are reality, but we are not responsible for creating reality. I stated that it is egotistical to think that the creation of reality lies contingent upon us because it is a viewpoint that assumes that we precede reality, that we are responsible for reality. We certainly have a responsibility to further reality, as reality, but we are not responsible for reality. Perhaps you have preconceptions that limit your ability to understand exactly what it is that I am saying, or maybe my elaboration on the matter will better clarify my point to you. As most of your post was in response to the notion that I am proposing a "silent observer mode" and something about giving up one's power to change things, I must assume that you weren't entirely aware of what exactly I was expressing. Where do we stand now on that? ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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jiggy Registered: 07/20/04 Posts: 7,469 Loc: Heart of Laughte |
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See, it was a misunderstanding of how the word reality was being used. The difference you are clarifying is between the non experiential and the experiential.
Once that's clear, the same thing is basically being said in different words between all debating parties. Really, you just added more depth and more clarity to whats behind moons post. Thats the difference between those who do not need to know how a car engine works to drive it and those, who want to know how the engine works as well. It's all good.
-------------------- Ahuwale ka nane huna.
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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fireworks god, this is my point of view.
Every experience is what you make it. If you had come into this thread thinking "here is an opportunity to experience new ideas and learn about new conceptual possibilities" then that is what you would have done. Instead, you came into this thread, like many threads, thinking "here is an opportunity to exercise and demonstrate my cleverness" and so, this is what you have done. This is the meaning of co-creating our realities. Jiggy, on the other hand, came in here with a different intent, and then manifested a different experience. Ultimatly, you enjoy the verbal-duel game. You enjoy picking apart ideas, finding logical inconsisitencies, playing with fine details of expression... this is a game. It has its own arbitrarily decided rules, and you are good at it. But its your game, and im not playing with you. "he who knows does not argue he who argues does not know" peace and love Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law
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Dr. Teasy Thighs Registered: 12/02/05 Posts: 14,794 Loc: red panda villag Last seen: 2 years, 10 months |
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Quote: So what you're implying is that we really have no power to decide something, that all of our actions and thoughts are transmitted to us, and we just "execute" like some kind of puppets. Which implies that even your statement is not what you think, but something that it's been... transmitted to you ???This doesn't really leaves much space to freedom, free will and personality. And by that you're denying even our responsibilities for our actions. -------------------- ![]() ![]() ![]() All this time I've loved you And never known your face All this time I've missed you And searched this human race Here is true peace Here my heart knows calm Safe in your soul Bathed in your sighs
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Being. Registered: 06/10/03 Posts: 7,825 Loc: Everywhere, Ever Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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Quote: Moon, have my babies
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Babyman Registered: 05/22/06 Posts: 996 Loc: Seattle Last seen: 17 years, 3 months |
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Quote: 93. That was very well said Moonshoe, thank you. 93/93
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: In actuality, every experience is the summation of our interaction with reality... what reality provides for our experience through our sensory data, and what we mentally make out of that. Quote: Similarily, if you would have considered my replies to your thread in such thought, "here is an oppurtunity for me to experience new ideas and possibilities expressed in regards to my own ideas, a chance to further discuss my ideas with individuals who will not simply affirm my own thoughts as they stand", then that is what you would have done, instead of commenting on the nature of my intentions. ![]() I actively seek new perspectives and new ideas and concepts, and I actively engage in inciting discussion concerning those new ideas in manners that will perhaps allow for the development of those ideas and new ones. If that troubles you, then I do not know what to say. ![]() Quote: Is that really what I was thinking? Or were you simply replying to yourself, responding to interpretations of myself that you have fabricated? Honestly, I wonder if you would express such a view if I had not offered a perspective that addressed certain aspects of your statement instead of simply offering an affirmation and acknowledgement of your demonstrated cleverness. Hhm.... ![]() Quote: Essentially, you do not wish to discuss ideas that you propose, for whatever reason resulting in such a desire to not take such responsibility, especially when someone has raised points that call into question certain aspects of your ideas.... You do not wish to play that game with me.... But you do wish to play the game of dragging your own post off-topic, telling me what my intentions are, what I enjoy doing, openly addressing such aspects of the fact that I have posted in a specific manner, while not discussing at all the relevant, pertinent points that do directly pertain to your own ideas? Hhhm.... Interesting. Quote: He who questions ideas expressed in a philosophy and spirituality forum does not know, because they do not agree with my own ideas. Excellent. I'm glad we have established that. ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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I Tell You What! Registered: 06/24/05 Posts: 5,998 Last seen: 8 years, 9 months |
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Quote: one creates THEIR reality. If one is free one spreads freedom to the world. Case in point. Angry man running around with a scowl. You get bad vibes. You feel worse. Happy guy with rainbows around him and you get enlightened.... eh? Because your mental world is created by the external world, there is fundamentally no difference between the two in relation to your daily life. It does not mean that you can fly. It does mean that you can leave a huge imprint upon the world by being how you want it to be. -------------------- ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Once more, reality is all-encompassing. One doesn't create "their reality". One perceives reality and employs one's mind in a manner that interprets their perceptions of reality, which is largely responsible for one's experience of reality. It isn't as though one manifests reality. One perceives reality, applies their interpretation of sensory data, applies their meaning and purpose, and experiences the result. Now, let me ask you all, how is stating this in such a manner contradicting one's great ability to shape their experience, and to influence and navigate reality? It, quite honestly, does not, in any way, shape, or form. I am simply pronouncing clarification on a matter that sorely needs it, as there exists a fine line between directly perceiving and knowing reality, and being capable of engaging in productive, beneficial behavior as reality, and floating off in an imaginative world that does not actually reflect the true nature of reality. Is it difficult to discern the subtle difference that I am outlining? The difference between directly perceiving reality first, and that of thinking that one conceives and believes, which then "creates reality"? I'm actually interested in discussing this, despite what those who apparently are not have to say about me. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: My god, those would be ugly ass babies. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Strange, that is totally contradictory to what I am directly expressing and implying. ![]() Quote: As Moonshoe would say, you are responding to your own interpretations, your own fabrications. ![]() I have not implied what you are speaking of. If one were to consider reality to be the summation of all existance, reality being all of that which is real, then it would entirely make sense that we would exist as aspects of reality, would it not? If we were aspects of reality, wouldn't reality be expressing itself through us? That is to say, does reality not express itself as itself? Action and change flow through reality. Energy, cause and effect. That is what I refer to when I say "if anything, reality is produced through them". Reality has propagated our existance. We certainly freely think, and make decisions on how to act and behave. That is reality being produced through us. It is as if you are assuming that the notion of us being reality and reality expressing itself through us contradicts the part we play in reality. That which I am proposing does not negate the soul, if you will (which, to me, simply means the substance, the action, the energy, in its being... ). ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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Here is my point of view:
I posted this, like everything i post, for a very specific reason. I felt exceptionally joyfull, alive, and awake, and full of a distinctly positive energy, and i wanted to try my best to spread that energy to as many people as possible, through the medium of the internet. My initial post was written in a state of extreme joy. Hence, it is more expressive, mystic poetry than a philosophical dissertation. You come along and begin making inquiries and assertions and demands as if you were critiquing a philosophical essay, because that is in fact how you have decided to approach this, and that is thus the experience you are making. In other words, you are trying to make my apples into oranges, my art and expression of love and gratitude for god into an intellectual dissertation. I am speaking from the heart and soul, you are speaking from the mind. You are not wrong for doing that and i do not criticize you for it. However, as soon as i respond to a single one of your critiques or questions, i engage in your game , and my initial intention, to spread love and joy and hope, is lost, and this becomes nothing more than contest of ego's, a verbal fencing match. There was a time when such things really delighted me. Now i recognise all conflicts, even "constructive debate" for what they are: a degradation of the natural harmony of nature. Moreover, they can only exist if both sides participate. I hope i have not caused offence to anyone. I strive at all times to make all my statements as neutral, honest and non offensive as i can, and strive only to either : arouse positive energy in my readers OR clearly and candidly explain my thoughts and feelings. I DO NOT post to argue, debate, win, lose, bargain, fight, praise myself or degrade others, and if i see someone trying to call me into one of those states of being, i try to avoid getting locked into that energy. Namaste (the God in me acknowledges and bows before the God in you)
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Student Registered: 12/27/05 Posts: 436 Loc: here Last seen: 16 years, 24 days |
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Moonshoe, I realise I am not a part of this discussion and that this goes quite off topic to the original intent of the post.
Besides all that, I just had to mention that I just read your last post and it brought up in me a couple of feelings I thought were interesting. First of all, I have always been a person who believed in constustive discussion, but your short sharing of your beliefs rocked my positiong in the matter a little bit. I still feel it can be used positively, if both sides are viewing it that way, as a constructive discussion, but now share a better understanding of the full issue. Besides that, in all honesty and without any at all form of disrespect, I felt as though your post was a little ego boasting towards how wonderfully you view everything and how happy you are. It seems you are putting energy into boasting your accomplishments rather than helping others achieve those same accomplishments. Not to say I really believe you are actually saying those things in a spirit of ego boosting, but I am just saying the notion occured to me and at the time of reading it I truly felt that way. No disrespect, I really enjoyed your post. Reading your post again, you seem sincere and really I admire your sense of purpose in locking in positive energy.
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: I don't buy this conclusion, not one bit. One's emotional state of being does not signify the manner in which one will express themself. You seem to be implying that someone who composes a philosophical dissertation is not in a state of extreme joy... how do you know that? Quote: You made your points and expressed your ideas, and I did so accordingly. This is the purpose of a forum. The fact that you have addressed me in the manner that you have for doing so is suggestive of the fact that it may trouble you that I have done so... which makes me wonder why you choose to post in this forum. ![]() Quote: I appreciate the holier-than-thou sentiments, but, again, I am not going to buy it. There is nothing evident in my replies that suggests that my words are not art and an expression of love and gratitude. I honestly think you are speaking from the mind, one that perhaps operates with a sense of superiority. No matter how you wish to paint the picture of what happened, it is as simple as this: you made a statement that acts as an observation of the nature of reality. I, quite naturally, raised questions concerning that statement. You have refused to address my points in any manner beyond questioning and commenting my intentions and purposes for posting. I have no concern for how much joy you were feeling in making your post, or where you are speaking from - I am interested in participating in open discussion of ideas that are expressed. That is what I do, and that is what this place is. Why is it, that when I actively engage in doing so, one must raise a dramatic issue over it? Hello, speaking English here, this is a house of ideas pertaining to philosophy and spirituality, not a soapbox from which one propagates one's ideas and then addresses the personal nature of those who are actually interested in discussion. ![]() Quote: I fail to recognize exactly how it is that discussing ideas and exchanging perspectives on a matter is nothing more than a "verbal fencing match". As I have already stated, if I had not questioned your statement, and only affirmed it, being all like "Oh man, I feel the love and joy!", you would have not likely described the situation as you have. My intention is to foster understanding, realization, and perspective. If you intend to spread love, joy, and hope, then I would suggest finding a better manner in which to do so. A message of love, joy, and hope that cannot respond to inquiries and different points of view certainly is not a strong message. Quote: Exactly. You interpret this exchange as a conflict. This is great evidence of the manner in which you interpret the world, and it simply does not reflect the reality of the matter. You continue to respond to a sense of conflict that you create, one which does not actually exist. Quote: Same here, my friend. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Babyman Registered: 05/22/06 Posts: 996 Loc: Seattle Last seen: 17 years, 3 months |
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An open mouth - a closed heart.
Little said is well said. Do not waste cherries on a pig or advice on a fool.
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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Fireworks god, others:
if any of you sincerely desires to understand what i am trying to say, or to feel where i am coming from, please take the time to visit this thead. If, after reading this thread, you feel your comments and criticisms are still valid or applicable, then our eventual discussion will be much more fruitfull. Love Moonshoe http://www.shroomery.org/forums/
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Jesus fucking Christ, I'll certainly read that, as soon as I have some time. Maybe I can take next week off from work?
![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Unless your intention is to remain vauge and cryptic, do you feel like elaborating on that? In making that statement, did your heart close? Conversation closes one's heart... never thought of that one.... Quote: You might need to let Moonshoe know that, in regards to the post that he has linked to. ![]() Quote: *heeds advice and resists temptation to tell you to shut the fuck up* ![]() See, what I did, there, is make it seem as though I am not a fool, since your advice was not wasted upon me, but yet that you yourself were a fool, since I expressed that I was not going to waste advice on you - that is, if you need the analytical commentary on my actions... I have to stay on-topic, after all. ![]() ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Servent ofWisdom Registered: 02/10/06 Posts: 7,059 Loc: Crown and Heart Last seen: 12 years, 8 months |
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-------------------- "Have you found the beginning, then, that you are looking for the end? You see, the end will be where the beginning is. Congratulations to the one who stands at the beginning: that one will know the end and will not taste death."
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Babyman Registered: 05/22/06 Posts: 996 Loc: Seattle Last seen: 17 years, 3 months |
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Quote: i reread this whole thread. not sure where firworks god gets off with that reply to the original post. moonshoe is obviously very bright, and beautiful. 99% of what moonshoe has said is TRUE. 99% of what fireworks god has said is totally undeniably FALSE. i love you moonshoe, it's comforting to know that people like you still exist.
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: Well, quite honestly, it is a joke pertaining to another recent thread with Shwammel, in which he expressed that he was dyslexic. It was my way of expressing that Moonshoe got the order of operations backwards. When you automatically assume conflict and negativity of another person, that is what you get... and isn't that what this thread is about anyways? ![]() Quote: So, what.. did you run that one through a computer? Strange coincidence, how they ended up being the same percentage and all... once again.. Indeed, everything I have said may totally, undeniably be false, but you certainly have not demonstrated, in any way, shape, or form, exactly how it is false, so I don't exactly see why any of us should consider your opinion on my words to have any merit or value to it. ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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fireworks god: it took me about five minuites to read that post in its entirety. with your vocabulary, it will take you about the same. It address most of the questions and challenges you have posed in this thread. after all fuss, i think you should take five minuites and read my post.
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Babyman Registered: 05/22/06 Posts: 996 Loc: Seattle Last seen: 17 years, 3 months |
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ok, here is one example, lol
i'll entertain you because i've nothing better to do at the moment. you just said that i automatically assumed conflict and negativity. that is FALSE. if i had made an assumption, then i would've been somewhat sure of why you would make such a blunt statement to someone who is obviously in a state of poesy, or venting with abstract spiritual thoughts and feelings, so that others like me can read and say "cool". but i said "not sure where fireworks god gets off" which means i was unsure which means i was free from unwarranted assumptions now i know where you get off and it's no big deal anyways let me tell you though instead of trying to tap into the freeflowing sort of poesy that floats through the world of discovery and invention- and not through psychology books or science videos. instead you hold onto these fragile constructions, trying to discredit or debate with something which is inherently ineffible. and this is the way you vent your feelings and emotions to teach yourself things the same way that moonshoe vents his feelings and emotions through his writing only i say his is true because it is working on a constructive pattern, while yours seems more geared toward attempts at discrediting an idea, rather than display your own vision of truth, or proof. it isn't hard to pick apart words typed in an instant, and feud with definitions and terminology, to run in circles for the sake of sweat. all pups do it, it's part of growing up. it's easy to get confused over simple bulletin message answer this question- is it TRUE that you Love Moonshoe? or is all this just so much wasted breath? if it is true that you love Moonshoe, then maybe your love just seems a little bit dysfunctional to me, that's common after all. but if isn't true that you love Moonshoe, then this is wasted breath which means it's FALSE, no one is remembering or listening to any of it. the statistics i gave are just a silly sort of exaggeration- another example for one who can tell TRUE from FALSE. in any communication with a person, or animal or anything, you've got to be able to reach in and read the inflexion in a persons voice, or the nuance or their wording, you've got to feel the meaning behind the signals they are putting out- otherwise you're a danger to yourself and others. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the importance of communicating honestly especially when trying to evolve or transcend again, with confusion, you say, "isn't that what this thread is about anyways" as in what? conflict and negativity? i thought it was about remembering purity, or wholesomess, or some high state of consciousness. i'm just making an observation i have no ill feelings toward you or anyone if i did, i certainly wouldn't waste my breath see how that works?
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: I'm not sure what fuss you are referring to, but, as I said, as soon as I have some time, I will read it. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: That statement was not a direct one, and it was not addressed specifically at you. Not only that, but it was a statement that occured after your statement that all of my previous statements were 99% false. To start with, pick one of those, and find a pertinent one, not some arbitrary, pointless one. ![]() Quote: Exactly, an ambigious statement that is intended to be affirmed and not questioned. I simply do not care what responses he was seeking - I proposed new lines of thought to be discussed in response to statements he made, out of his context or not. Quote: ![]() I don't read psychology books or watch science videos, so I don't know if this is true or not, but I do know there is a remarkable corelation amongst discovery/invention, and science. I wonder how science does it without free-flowing "poesy"... ![]() Quote: I see... if by "ineffable", you mean absolved of all responsibility to effectively express an exact idea and to employ reason... Quote: Great. Super. This is a discussion forum. Don't be surprised when discussion occurs, in all kinds of crazy manners. Read the forum rules. Maybe things will start to make sense to you. Quote: I say your concept of "truth" and how it is arrived at is terribly skewed. Quote: What is really hard is discussing ideas that are raised in question of one's own, however. It simply doesn't happen, and I wonder why... perhaps because being questioned implies conflict? ![]() I'm not even going to address the rest of your ineffable material. I think my participation in this thread has long passed the point of no return, as far as practicality is concerned. Perhaps I will copy and paste all of the ideas I expressed that actually pertained to the subject in a new thread, to save it from the rest of the comments I unfortunately had to make in response to the off-topic bullshit others have been spouting. I notice it is extremely difficult to discuss actual philosophical and spiritual ideas beyond simply affirming them (how hard is that), and incredibly easy to discuss the personal character of others, quite possibly because anyone can spout an opinion on another without having to actually substantiate anything... ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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fireworks god, maybe its just me, but it seems like alot of different users are taking issue with your style of presentation in this thread. Also, maybe its just me, but it seems like you are very defensive or confused about why that might be. I would like to bring something to your attention.
In your posts in this thread alone, you have used the smirk, roll eyes and laugh out loud emoticons about two dozen times each. ![]() in fact, that seems to be like how you punctuate your statements. Fair enough. But imagine you were trying to have a disscussion or conversation with someone in person, and every second minuite he either had an arrogant smirk on his face, was laughing out loud at your ideas or rolling his eyes at what youd said. Basically, you might think he was arrogant, rude and completely lacking basic social and conversational graces. Im not going to lie, thats exactly the impression your very first response gave me, and that is why i have not engaged you in a philosophical discussion as i might have otherwise done. If your criticisms and points are strong, then they can stand alone without being supported by derogatory emoticons. Dont get me wrong, you are obviously free to enjoy these emoticons as you please. But look back at all your posts (in this thread and others) and youll find yourself more or less in love with smirking, rolling your eyes and laughing out loud at people. This is not distinguished or polite conversational form, so dont be surprised when alot of people come at you asking why your being so negative and rude. Just an observation, but emoticons=the facial expressions of the shroomery, and as anyone knows, facial expressions tell ALOT about a persons mood and personality. So what does your plethora of smirks and eye rollings say about you, and your mood?
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Being. Registered: 06/10/03 Posts: 7,825 Loc: Everywhere, Ever Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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Quote: Sorry brother FG, but this is my impression of you too. You used to be much respectful in your posts, and I used to like your posts. Now I rarely read them, and even more rarely respond to them, simply because I get the impression that you're disrespecting those to whom you speak. I wish this wasn't so... but you have every right to be how you want to be, so I won't tell you to change. What I will tell you is that I find myself personally drifting farther and farther away from being able to relate to you at all. You're welcome to tell me that I am just incorrectly perceiving and all that junk, or that I'm simply not cut out for a debate-style conversation. There is probably SOME TRUTH in both of those statemements, and it would be foolish of me not to acknowledge that. However, it would also be foolish to think that there is not SOME TRUTH in what Moonshoe is trying to help you see about yourself. I'm not posting this because I want to analyze the poster or avoid the subject matter or anything like that. I'm not posting this to try to hurt you... so please, don't think you need to defend against anything I've said here. I'm just trying express my own feelings and perceptions, so that you might consider how your actions affect those with whom you interact... and I'm trying to do so in the least offensive way I can manage, both as an offering of respect, and to avoid ending up engaged in a debate game. I'm posting this because we used to talk more, and I kind of miss the old Brandon. I'm respectfully requesting that you ponder on these things. Of course, you're welcome to do as you please.Peace dude.
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: I am not at all defensive or confused as to why that might be. Quite simply, it all stems from the fact that I have addressed a "mystical, poetic" style of expression in a manner that they feel is not appropriate for a "mystical, poetic" style of expression. If I had said, "The trees quiver with delight, as they realize that Wow, they create reality!", I would have gotten applause and affirmation. Also, I think that it might trouble them that I will not simply roll over and take it when they drag the discussion off-topic by addressing myself, my manner of presentation, and my intentions. Once again, here we go with someone's personal assessment of all three. As I have already stated, it is much lazier to discuss that, as all it requires is an opinion that cannot be substantiated in any way, and it is also a way to absolve all responsibility to properly address any points raised agansit one's own ideas. You've stated that you made your original post in a state of pure joy, and that you simply cannot enter conflict, philosophical discussion, because it is divisive, and that such a state of pure joy could not remain. Thus, I naturally assume that you derive pure joy from continuing to address myself, my character and my intentions, and my manner of presentation? Exactly, quite revealing. ![]() Quote: When in doubt, count the emoticons. Don't feel bad, you are exhibiting classic behavior. It all begins when you start a discussion, and mean old fireworks_god has points that he wishes to discuss in question and response to one's own. After trying to avoid responsibility to engage in that discussion by trying to jab at myself and my intentions, I don't take it and clearly begin to call one's ass on it. Pretty soon, it results in further displays of the original poster's true nature and that which they wish to involve themselves with. Ultimately, it all comes down to the emoticon usage. ![]() Hey, I'm just surprised you haven't started to critique my grammar and spelling! ![]() Quote: Expressing oneself with a sense of humor is quite all right by me... the only times it seems as though anyone has problems with it is either when they do not have a sense of humor of their own, or they have created an illusion of being in a conflict - essentially, when they feel challenged and cannot respond on the level of the "challenge" itself. Quote: If the conversation was in person, I doubt that anyone but the most disconnected from reality would over-exaggerate such facial expressions. In fact, it seems to be the same here, except, of course, with emoticons. ![]() Quote: I'd rather be thought of as arrogant and rude than someone who proposes lofty ideas and resorts to personal references agansit the one who they feel is challenging them when they are unable to properly discuss the idea. Quote: Please, don't kid yourself. You haven't engaged me in philosophical discussion because you would rather critique and assess my character, intentions, and manners of presentation. You continue and continue and continue to do it, my friend. Lets not start coming up for excuses as to why you wouldn't actually engage in the on-topic discussion that you proposed. ![]() Quote: Derogatory emoticons?! Hhmm... laughing... grinning... subtle smiles.... damn, I'm almost pure evil! ![]() Quote: See, it is quite easy to make baseless statements about someone's behaviors, intention, and manners of presentation when one doesn't have to actually substantiate anything. Honestly, negative and rude is "Fuck you!" "How could you be so stupid?" "Well, duh, even I knew that!" "I don't like that idea." "How could you think of something like that?" etc. etc. etc. Apparently, when one won't/can't discuss the points that someone else has raised in question and response to one's own, one begins to feel threatened and challenged, perhaps because they are emotionally attached to one's ideas? After that, everything of the other person is interpreted in such a negative manner. Perhaps if they would simply get over themself and their illusion of self-importance, it would be all right, and people could actually converse without restriction and conflict (the conflict that these individuals have themselves created? )Quote: It states that I am an easygoing guy who constantly finds the humor and the light in any given situation, and quite naturally expresses it, which is more of a reflection of one's love and quest for life than anything else. Ultimately, it all comes back to the fact that I was apparently the only one who wished to contribute to this thread in a constructive manner, proposing new thoughts and ideas that pertained to the subject at hand, such thoughts and ideas that did not address or have anything to do with any certain individual, and others apparently could not handle that, and others created conflict by starting to address my intentions, my motivations, and my manners of presentation. Honestly, it is completely ridiculous, not to mention childish. ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Sexy.Butt.McDanger Registered: 03/12/02 Posts: 24,855 Loc: Pandurn Last seen: 1 year, 12 days |
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Quote: First off, as a moderator, you should be one to understand that this simply is not the place for expressing impressions of others, and also that nothing constructive comes from doing so. It is not the purpose and intent of this forum. Disrespect is the negative behavior that is directed agansit someone who proposes valid ideas that question and address one's own. Disrespect is turning the discussion into an accusation-fest of someone's intentions and "manners of presentation". Disrespect is refusing to engage in discussion of the pertinent ideas expressed and simply spouting baseless opinions of another. Quote: Such is the nature of life, apparently. Even more so when certain individuals form illusory senses of others based on one's preconceptions and assumptions based upon nothing but speculation, speculation which probably reflects more of their own personal nature than anything else. Quote: I could care less how "cut out" someone is for a "debate-style" conversation. I simply care that everyone maintains a positive outlook and an eagerness to discuss ideas in this philosophy and spiritualty forum, without emotionally reacting when some of those ideas question and address one own's expressed ideas. I care that individuals do not degrade the discussion to the level that they frequently do. I care that they do not initiate and follow through with negative behavior and create the drama that they do, making it seem as though the person they are disrespecting is the one to blame for the "thread past the point of no return". I care that individuals maintain a sense of humor and never take aspects of themselves too seriously to act as an obstruction of their sense of humor and of others sense of humor. Apparently I must have read the forum rules and thought to myself "Hey, this makes sense. I'd like to see this happen.". ![]() Quote: Yes, I admit that I use too many emoticons. ![]() Honestly, Moonshoe's comments with which he is trying to help me see myself, comments that do not belong in this forum and should be kept to private messages, where they belong, yes, those comments do not actually represent any aspect of nature as an individual. Quite simply, they reflect his interpretations of my exhibited behavior through this medium. What that behavior concerns me as a person and my identity is simply not evident in the behavior itself. The only thing that can be discerned as to my personal nature as it relates to this exhibited behavior is that, for some reason, I have made a choice to exhibit such. Going further than that is simply speculation. Perhaps that speculation has a place, but it is not in this forum. Quote: ![]() I'm going rabid here, about ready to go out of control.... ![]() ![]() Quote: As a moderator, do you not see how this should belong in a private message? ![]() Quote: You and Moonshoe certainly do not wish to become engaged ina debate game, but even if you did, it would be a game you would be playing on your own. I read, I think, I propose, I respond, I reply. Sounds like discussion to me. ![]() Quote: Brandon is not evidenced in this forum. This is archetypical, this is transpersonal. This is idea exchange, this is the mind and its activity. This is a program of reason and of concepts. This is not me representing myself as a person. This is mind development, perspective formulation, and being realization. If I wanted to use this forum as a kind of interacting with other people on a social, personal level, I'd probably be posting in The Pub. In fact, I wouldn't mind doing so if I had time, but I'm too spent in living my life, to have time to relate to others about it. ![]() Personality does not translate well into text format, anyways. I can personally assure everyone that I am simply here to experience firsthand philosophical and spiritual musings and interaction of such perspectives. I am here to contribute, to observe, and to grow and evolve. The understanding that is derived through this process benefits me on a personal level. I'd have to think there is a correlation between myself personally and the ideas that are "downloaded" and developed here, but not between that of myself personally and the manners in which I participate (which aren't terrible anyways, just people's reactions to it ). I form more realization and learn from everything here, even if this thread. Each moment is an oppurtunity to further develop as a person and to accumulate more understanding of reality. This is a natural process. I think that if everyone were to go with the flow and be come a little more conscious, we would get over the trivialities and really get somewhere. Perhaps we need to learn to respond and to not react, and to not portray others as reacting when we make the mistake of doing so? ![]() Unless anyone else wishes to come out of the woodwork and offer some consciousness to this creation, I'd like to move on. I'd continue discussing reality, but I still don't know if some people can handle it (reality). ![]() ![]() Peace.
-------------------- If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Its just me Registered: 10/29/04 Posts: 1,188 Loc: Norway, Eidsvoll Last seen: 14 years, 4 months |
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Moonshoe > bickering
-------------------- The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact. ![]()
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Babyman Registered: 05/22/06 Posts: 996 Loc: Seattle Last seen: 17 years, 3 months |
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Its just me Registered: 10/29/04 Posts: 1,188 Loc: Norway, Eidsvoll Last seen: 14 years, 4 months |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
My eyes are all teared up and my whole body is cramping up ... hahahah ... I'm having a laugh-o.d over here. I think I love you telepylus. I have yet to see a non-brilliant post on your part. PM material, perhaps, but I think glory is something to be shared.
-------------------- The argent messenger of truth beyond truth, the antithesis of life, cruel and bleak as interstellar space, pulseless and frozen as absolute zero, dazzling with the frost of irrefragable logic and unforgettable fact. ![]()
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¡(Bound to·(O))be free! Registered: 09/11/04 Posts: 10,888 Loc: I re·side [prim Last seen: 10 months, 23 days |
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Lets all try; to not do it? ...
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Blue Mantis Registered: 05/28/04 Posts: 27,202 Loc: Iceland |
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Hey everybody!
so... i feel like i need to apologize. I honestly tried hard to control my words and thoughts and refrain from bringing anything but peacefull and empowering messages with my words. However, i have obviously failed, because my posts here seem to have generated a fair bit of emotional tension here, and possibly hurt feelings. I accept full responsibility for my part in perpetuating any negativity that has occured. In retrospect, i think my mistake was explaining why i wouldnt debate, instead of just not debating. In my efforts to explain why i wasnt participating in the debate you (FG) were proposing, i crossed the line and said things that i should have known, and possibly did know, would cause a defensive reaction. I would like to apologize for criticizing Fireworks gods intentions or pretending to know what motivates him. Through the medium of the internet, true knowledge of a persons soul and mind is impossible, and it was wrong of me to pretend to understand his motivations. peace
Edited by Moonshoe (06/14/06 07:53 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 01/03/07 Posts: 5 Last seen: 16 years, 11 months |
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hate to say it but yeah i thought i could save the world like that for so long that i quit thinking on the real and it sucks. ive almost commited suicide twice cuz i cant get my thuoghts straight. yeah ive used a billion drugs. but yeah your right its hard to manage
peace
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I'm respectfully requesting that you ponder on these things. Of course, you're welcome to do as you please.


