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fireworks_god
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Telepylus said: you just said that i automatically assumed conflict and negativity. that is FALSE.
That statement was not a direct one, and it was not addressed specifically at you. Not only that, but it was a statement that occured after your statement that all of my previous statements were 99% false. To start with, pick one of those, and find a pertinent one, not some arbitrary, pointless one. 
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if i had made an assumption, then i would've been somewhat sure of why you would make such a blunt statement to someone who is obviously in a state of poesy, or venting with abstract spiritual thoughts and feelings, so that others like me can read and say "cool".
Exactly, an ambigious statement that is intended to be affirmed and not questioned. I simply do not care what responses he was seeking - I proposed new lines of thought to be discussed in response to statements he made, out of his context or not.
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instead of trying to tap into the freeflowing sort of poesy that floats through the world of discovery and invention- and not through psychology books or science videos.

I don't read psychology books or watch science videos, so I don't know if this is true or not, but I do know there is a remarkable corelation amongst discovery/invention, and science. I wonder how science does it without free-flowing "poesy"... 
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instead you hold onto these fragile constructions, trying to discredit or debate with something which is inherently ineffible.
I see... if by "ineffable", you mean absolved of all responsibility to effectively express an exact idea and to employ reason...
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and this is the way you vent your feelings and emotions to teach yourself things the same way that moonshoe vents his feelings and emotions through his writing
Great. Super. This is a discussion forum. Don't be surprised when discussion occurs, in all kinds of crazy manners. Read the forum rules. Maybe things will start to make sense to you.
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only i say his is true because it is working on a constructive pattern, while you're attempts to disprove an idea, rather than display your own vision of truth, or proof.
I say your concept of "truth" and how it is arrived at is terribly skewed.
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it isn't hard to pick apart words typed in an instant, and feud with definitions and terminology, to run in circles for the sake of sweat. all pups do it, it's part of growing up.
What is really hard is discussing ideas that are raised in question of one's own, however. It simply doesn't happen, and I wonder why... perhaps because being questioned implies conflict? 
I'm not even going to address the rest of your ineffable material. I think my participation in this thread has long passed the point of no return, as far as practicality is concerned. Perhaps I will copy and paste all of the ideas I expressed that actually pertained to the subject in a new thread, to save it from the rest of the comments I unfortunately had to make in response to the off-topic bullshit others have been spouting. I notice it is extremely difficult to discuss actual philosophical and spiritual ideas beyond simply affirming them (how hard is that), and incredibly easy to discuss the personal character of others, quite possibly because anyone can spout an opinion on another without having to actually substantiate anything... 
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Moonshoe
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fireworks god, maybe its just me, but it seems like alot of different users are taking issue with your style of presentation in this thread. Also, maybe its just me, but it seems like you are very defensive or confused about why that might be. I would like to bring something to your attention.
In your posts in this thread alone, you have used the smirk, roll eyes and laugh out loud emoticons about two dozen times each.

in fact, that seems to be like how you punctuate your statements.
Fair enough. But imagine you were trying to have a disscussion or conversation with someone in person, and every second minuite he either had an arrogant smirk on his face, was laughing out loud at your ideas or rolling his eyes at what youd said.
Basically, you might think he was arrogant, rude and completely lacking basic social and conversational graces.
Im not going to lie, thats exactly the impression your very first response gave me, and that is why i have not engaged you in a philosophical discussion as i might have otherwise done.
If your criticisms and points are strong, then they can stand alone without being supported by derogatory emoticons.
Dont get me wrong, you are obviously free to enjoy these emoticons as you please. But look back at all your posts (in this thread and others) and youll find yourself more or less in love with smirking, rolling your eyes and laughing out loud at people.
This is not distinguished or polite conversational form, so dont be surprised when alot of people come at you asking why your being so negative and rude.
Just an observation, but emoticons=the facial expressions of the shroomery, and as anyone knows, facial expressions tell ALOT about a persons mood and personality. So what does your plethora of smirks and eye rollings say about you, and your mood?
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JacquesCousteau
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
#5745014 - 06/13/06 07:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: Dont get me wrong, you are obviously free to enjoy these emoticons as you please. But look back at all your posts (in this thread and others) and youll find yourself more or less in love with smirking, rolling your eyes and laughing out loud at people.
Sorry brother FG, but this is my impression of you too. You used to be much respectful in your posts, and I used to like your posts. Now I rarely read them, and even more rarely respond to them, simply because I get the impression that you're disrespecting those to whom you speak.
I wish this wasn't so... but you have every right to be how you want to be, so I won't tell you to change. What I will tell you is that I find myself personally drifting farther and farther away from being able to relate to you at all.
You're welcome to tell me that I am just incorrectly perceiving and all that junk, or that I'm simply not cut out for a debate-style conversation. There is probably SOME TRUTH in both of those statemements, and it would be foolish of me not to acknowledge that.
However, it would also be foolish to think that there is not SOME TRUTH in what Moonshoe is trying to help you see about yourself.
I'm not posting this because I want to analyze the poster or avoid the subject matter or anything like that. I'm not posting this to try to hurt you... so please, don't think you need to defend against anything I've said here. I'm just trying express my own feelings and perceptions, so that you might consider how your actions affect those with whom you interact... and I'm trying to do so in the least offensive way I can manage, both as an offering of respect, and to avoid ending up engaged in a debate game.
I'm posting this because we used to talk more, and I kind of miss the old Brandon. I'm respectfully requesting that you ponder on these things. Of course, you're welcome to do as you please.
Peace dude.
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fireworks_god
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
#5745042 - 06/13/06 07:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said: fireworks god, maybe its just me, but it seems like alot of different users are taking issue with your style of presentation in this thread. Also, maybe its just me, but it seems like you are very defensive or confused about why that might be. I would like to bring something to your attention.
I am not at all defensive or confused as to why that might be. Quite simply, it all stems from the fact that I have addressed a "mystical, poetic" style of expression in a manner that they feel is not appropriate for a "mystical, poetic" style of expression.
If I had said, "The trees quiver with delight, as they realize that Wow, they create reality!", I would have gotten applause and affirmation.
Also, I think that it might trouble them that I will not simply roll over and take it when they drag the discussion off-topic by addressing myself, my manner of presentation, and my intentions. Once again, here we go with someone's personal assessment of all three. As I have already stated, it is much lazier to discuss that, as all it requires is an opinion that cannot be substantiated in any way, and it is also a way to absolve all responsibility to properly address any points raised agansit one's own ideas.
You've stated that you made your original post in a state of pure joy, and that you simply cannot enter conflict, philosophical discussion, because it is divisive, and that such a state of pure joy could not remain.
Thus, I naturally assume that you derive pure joy from continuing to address myself, my character and my intentions, and my manner of presentation? Exactly, quite revealing. 
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In your posts in this thread alone, you have used the smirk, roll eyes and laugh out loud emoticons about two dozen times each.

When in doubt, count the emoticons. Don't feel bad, you are exhibiting classic behavior. It all begins when you start a discussion, and mean old fireworks_god has points that he wishes to discuss in question and response to one's own. After trying to avoid responsibility to engage in that discussion by trying to jab at myself and my intentions, I don't take it and clearly begin to call one's ass on it. Pretty soon, it results in further displays of the original poster's true nature and that which they wish to involve themselves with. Ultimately, it all comes down to the emoticon usage. 
Hey, I'm just surprised you haven't started to critique my grammar and spelling! 
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in fact, that seems to be like how you punctuate your statements.
Expressing oneself with a sense of humor is quite all right by me... the only times it seems as though anyone has problems with it is either when they do not have a sense of humor of their own, or they have created an illusion of being in a conflict - essentially, when they feel challenged and cannot respond on the level of the "challenge" itself.
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Fair enough. But imagine you were trying to have a disscussion or conversation with someone in person, and every second minuite he either had an arrogant smirk on his face, was laughing out loud at your ideas or rolling his eyes at what youd said.
If the conversation was in person, I doubt that anyone but the most disconnected from reality would over-exaggerate such facial expressions. In fact, it seems to be the same here, except, of course, with emoticons. 
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Basically, you might think he was arrogant, rude and completely lacking basic social and conversational graces.
I'd rather be thought of as arrogant and rude than someone who proposes lofty ideas and resorts to personal references agansit the one who they feel is challenging them when they are unable to properly discuss the idea.
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Im not going to lie, thats exactly the impression your very first response gave me, and that is why i have not engaged you in a philosophical discussion as i might have otherwise done.
Please, don't kid yourself. You haven't engaged me in philosophical discussion because you would rather critique and assess my character, intentions, and manners of presentation. You continue and continue and continue to do it, my friend. Lets not start coming up for excuses as to why you wouldn't actually engage in the on-topic discussion that you proposed. 
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If your criticisms and points are strong, then they can stand alone without being supported by derogatory emoticons.
Derogatory emoticons?!
Hhmm... laughing... grinning... subtle smiles.... damn, I'm almost pure evil! 
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This is not distinguished or polite conversational form, so dont be surprised when alot of people come at you asking why your being so negative and rude.
See, it is quite easy to make baseless statements about someone's behaviors, intention, and manners of presentation when one doesn't have to actually substantiate anything.
Honestly, negative and rude is "Fuck you!" "How could you be so stupid?" "Well, duh, even I knew that!" "I don't like that idea." "How could you think of something like that?" etc. etc. etc.
Apparently, when one won't/can't discuss the points that someone else has raised in question and response to one's own, one begins to feel threatened and challenged, perhaps because they are emotionally attached to one's ideas? After that, everything of the other person is interpreted in such a negative manner. Perhaps if they would simply get over themself and their illusion of self-importance, it would be all right, and people could actually converse without restriction and conflict (the conflict that these individuals have themselves created? )
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Just an observation, but emoticons=the facial expressions of the shroomery, and as anyone knows, facial expressions tell ALOT about a persons mood and personality. So what does your plethora of smirks and eye rollings say about you, and your mood?
It states that I am an easygoing guy who constantly finds the humor and the light in any given situation, and quite naturally expresses it, which is more of a reflection of one's love and quest for life than anything else.
Ultimately, it all comes back to the fact that I was apparently the only one who wished to contribute to this thread in a constructive manner, proposing new thoughts and ideas that pertained to the subject at hand, such thoughts and ideas that did not address or have anything to do with any certain individual, and others apparently could not handle that, and others created conflict by starting to address my intentions, my motivations, and my manners of presentation.
Honestly, it is completely ridiculous, not to mention childish. 
 Peace.
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fireworks_god
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JacquesCousteau said: Sorry brother FG, but this is my impression of you too. You used to be much respectful in your posts, and I used to like your posts. Now I rarely read them, and even more rarely respond to them, simply because I get the impression that you're disrespecting those to whom you speak.
First off, as a moderator, you should be one to understand that this simply is not the place for expressing impressions of others, and also that nothing constructive comes from doing so. It is not the purpose and intent of this forum.
Disrespect is the negative behavior that is directed agansit someone who proposes valid ideas that question and address one's own. Disrespect is turning the discussion into an accusation-fest of someone's intentions and "manners of presentation". Disrespect is refusing to engage in discussion of the pertinent ideas expressed and simply spouting baseless opinions of another.
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I wish this wasn't so... but you have every right to be how you want to be, so I won't tell you to change. What I will tell you is that I find myself personally drifting farther and farther away from being able to relate to you at all.
Such is the nature of life, apparently. Even more so when certain individuals form illusory senses of others based on one's preconceptions and assumptions based upon nothing but speculation, speculation which probably reflects more of their own personal nature than anything else.
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You're welcome to tell me that I am just incorrectly perceiving and all that junk, or that I'm simply not cut out for a debate-style conversation. There is probably SOME TRUTH in both of those statemements, and it would be foolish of me not to acknowledge that.
I could care less how "cut out" someone is for a "debate-style" conversation. I simply care that everyone maintains a positive outlook and an eagerness to discuss ideas in this philosophy and spiritualty forum, without emotionally reacting when some of those ideas question and address one own's expressed ideas. I care that individuals do not degrade the discussion to the level that they frequently do. I care that they do not initiate and follow through with negative behavior and create the drama that they do, making it seem as though the person they are disrespecting is the one to blame for the "thread past the point of no return".
I care that individuals maintain a sense of humor and never take aspects of themselves too seriously to act as an obstruction of their sense of humor and of others sense of humor.
Apparently I must have read the forum rules and thought to myself "Hey, this makes sense. I'd like to see this happen.". 
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However, it would also be foolish to think that there is not SOME TRUTH in what Moonshoe is trying to help you see about yourself.
Yes, I admit that I use too many emoticons. 
Honestly, Moonshoe's comments with which he is trying to help me see myself, comments that do not belong in this forum and should be kept to private messages, where they belong, yes, those comments do not actually represent any aspect of nature as an individual.
Quite simply, they reflect his interpretations of my exhibited behavior through this medium. What that behavior concerns me as a person and my identity is simply not evident in the behavior itself. The only thing that can be discerned as to my personal nature as it relates to this exhibited behavior is that, for some reason, I have made a choice to exhibit such. Going further than that is simply speculation. Perhaps that speculation has a place, but it is not in this forum.
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I'm not posting this to try to hurt you... so please, don't think you need to defend against anything I've said here.

I'm going rabid here, about ready to go out of control.... 

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I'm just trying express my own feelings and perceptions, so that you might consider how your actions affect those with whom you interact...
As a moderator, do you not see how this should belong in a private message? 
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and I'm trying to do so in the least offensive way I can manage, both as an offering of respect, and to avoid ending up engaged in a debate game.
You and Moonshoe certainly do not wish to become engaged ina debate game, but even if you did, it would be a game you would be playing on your own. I read, I think, I propose, I respond, I reply. Sounds like discussion to me. 
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I'm posting this because we used to talk more, and I kind of miss the old Brandon. I'm respectfully requesting that you ponder on these things. Of course, you're welcome to do as you please.
Brandon is not evidenced in this forum. This is archetypical, this is transpersonal. This is idea exchange, this is the mind and its activity. This is a program of reason and of concepts. This is not me representing myself as a person. This is mind development, perspective formulation, and being realization.
If I wanted to use this forum as a kind of interacting with other people on a social, personal level, I'd probably be posting in The Pub. In fact, I wouldn't mind doing so if I had time, but I'm too spent in living my life, to have time to relate to others about it. 
Personality does not translate well into text format, anyways. I can personally assure everyone that I am simply here to experience firsthand philosophical and spiritual musings and interaction of such perspectives. I am here to contribute, to observe, and to grow and evolve. The understanding that is derived through this process benefits me on a personal level. I'd have to think there is a correlation between myself personally and the ideas that are "downloaded" and developed here, but not between that of myself personally and the manners in which I participate (which aren't terrible anyways, just people's reactions to it ).
I form more realization and learn from everything here, even if this thread. Each moment is an oppurtunity to further develop as a person and to accumulate more understanding of reality. This is a natural process. I think that if everyone were to go with the flow and be come a little more conscious, we would get over the trivialities and really get somewhere. Perhaps we need to learn to respond and to not react, and to not portray others as reacting when we make the mistake of doing so? 
Unless anyone else wishes to come out of the woodwork and offer some consciousness to this creation, I'd like to move on. I'd continue discussing reality, but I still don't know if some people can handle it (reality). 
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slaphappy
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Moonshoe > bickering
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Telepylus
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: slaphappy]
#5748414 - 06/14/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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slaphappy
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Telepylus]
#5748465 - 06/14/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG
My eyes are all teared up and my whole body is cramping up ... hahahah ... I'm having a laugh-o.d over here. I think I love you telepylus. I have yet to see a non-brilliant post on your part. PM material, perhaps, but I think glory is something to be shared.
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
#5748617 - 06/14/06 04:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Lets all try; to not do it? ...
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Moonshoe
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Hey everybody!
so... i feel like i need to apologize. I honestly tried hard to control my words and thoughts and refrain from bringing anything but peacefull and empowering messages with my words.
However, i have obviously failed, because my posts here seem to have generated a fair bit of emotional tension here, and possibly hurt feelings.
I accept full responsibility for my part in perpetuating any negativity that has occured.
In retrospect, i think my mistake was explaining why i wouldnt debate, instead of just not debating. In my efforts to explain why i wasnt participating in the debate you (FG) were proposing, i crossed the line and said things that i should have known, and possibly did know, would cause a defensive reaction.
I would like to apologize for criticizing Fireworks gods intentions or pretending to know what motivates him. Through the medium of the internet, true knowledge of a persons soul and mind is impossible, and it was wrong of me to pretend to understand his motivations.
peace
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Edited by Moonshoe (06/14/06 07:53 PM)
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herbalz
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hate to say it but yeah i thought i could save the world like that for so long that i quit thinking on the real and it sucks. ive almost commited suicide twice cuz i cant get my thuoghts straight. yeah ive used a billion drugs. but yeah your right its hard to manage peace
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