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OfflineJacquesCousteau
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5740833 - 06/12/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
fireworks god, this is my point of view.

Every experience is what you make it. If you had come into this thread thinking "here is an opportunity to experience new ideas and learn about new conceptual possibilities" then that is what you would have done. Instead, you came into this thread, like many threads, thinking "here is an opportunity to exercise and demonstrate my cleverness"

and so, this is what you have done. This is the meaning of co-creating our realities. Jiggy, on the other hand, came in here with a different intent, and then manifested a different experience.

Ultimatly, you enjoy the verbal-duel game. You enjoy picking apart ideas, finding logical inconsisitencies, playing with fine details of expression... this is a game. It has its own arbitrarily decided rules, and you are good at it. But its your game, and im not playing with you.

"he who knows does not argue

he who argues does not know"

peace and love

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law





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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5740852 - 06/12/06 07:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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fireworks god, this is my point of view.

Instead, you came into this thread, like many threads, thinking "here is an opportunity to exercise and demonstrate my cleverness"

Ultimatly, you enjoy the verbal-duel game. You enjoy picking apart ideas, finding logical inconsisitencies, playing with fine details of expression... this is a game. It has its own arbitrarily decided rules, and you are good at it. But its your game, and im not playing with you.

"he who knows does not argue

he who argues does not know"

peace and love

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law






93.
That was very well said Moonshoe, thank you.
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5742494 - 06/12/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
Every experience is what you make it.




In actuality, every experience is the summation of our interaction with reality... what reality provides for our experience through our sensory data, and what we mentally make out of that.

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If you had come into this thread thinking "here is an opportunity to experience new ideas and learn about new conceptual possibilities" then that is what you would have done.




Similarily, if you would have considered my replies to your thread in such thought, "here is an oppurtunity for me to experience new ideas and possibilities expressed in regards to my own ideas, a chance to further discuss my ideas with individuals who will not simply affirm my own thoughts as they stand", then that is what you would have done, instead of commenting on the nature of my intentions. :shocked:

I actively seek new perspectives and new ideas and concepts, and I actively engage in inciting discussion concerning those new ideas in manners that will perhaps allow for the development of those ideas and new ones. If that troubles you, then I do not know what to say. :shrug:

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Instead, you came into this thread, like many threads, thinking "here is an opportunity to exercise and demonstrate my cleverness"




Is that really what I was thinking? Or were you simply replying to yourself, responding to interpretations of myself that you have fabricated?

Honestly, I wonder if you would express such a view if I had not offered a perspective that addressed certain aspects of your statement instead of simply offering an affirmation and acknowledgement of your demonstrated cleverness. Hhm.... :what:

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Ultimatly, you enjoy the verbal-duel game. You enjoy picking apart ideas, finding logical inconsisitencies, playing with fine details of expression... this is a game. It has its own arbitrarily decided rules, and you are good at it. But its your game, and im not playing with you.




Essentially, you do not wish to discuss ideas that you propose, for whatever reason resulting in such a desire to not take such responsibility, especially when someone has raised points that call into question certain aspects of your ideas....

You do not wish to play that game with me....

But you do wish to play the game of dragging your own post off-topic, telling me what my intentions are, what I enjoy doing, openly addressing such aspects of the fact that I have posted in a specific manner, while not discussing at all the relevant, pertinent points that do directly pertain to your own ideas?

Hhhm.... Interesting.

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"he who knows does not argue

he who argues does not know"




He who questions ideas expressed in a philosophy and spirituality forum does not know, because they do not agree with my own ideas. Excellent. I'm glad we have established that.

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5742558 - 06/12/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
You clearly stated that one conceives, then believes, and then perceives. Perception is the first thing that occurs. One doesn't create reality, and to think that reality lies contingent upon oneself is rather egotistical.




one creates THEIR reality. If one is free one spreads freedom to the world.

Case in point. Angry man running around with a scowl. You get bad vibes. You feel worse. Happy guy with rainbows around him and you get enlightened.... eh?

Because your mental world is created by the external world, there is fundamentally no difference between the two in relation to your daily life. It does not mean that you can fly. It does mean that you can leave a huge imprint upon the world by being how you want it to be.


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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: leery11]
    #5742635 - 06/12/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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leery11 said:
one creates THEIR reality. If one is free one spreads freedom to the world.




Once more, reality is all-encompassing. One doesn't create "their reality". One perceives reality and employs one's mind in a manner that interprets their perceptions of reality, which is largely responsible for one's experience of reality.

It isn't as though one manifests reality. One perceives reality, applies their interpretation of sensory data, applies their meaning and purpose, and experiences the result.

Now, let me ask you all, how is stating this in such a manner contradicting one's great ability to shape their experience, and to influence and navigate reality? It, quite honestly, does not, in any way, shape, or form. I am simply pronouncing clarification on a matter that sorely needs it, as there exists a fine line between directly perceiving and knowing reality, and being capable of engaging in productive, beneficial behavior as reality, and floating off in an imaginative world that does not actually reflect the true nature of reality.

Is it difficult to discern the subtle difference that I am outlining? The difference between directly perceiving reality first, and that of thinking that one conceives and believes, which then "creates reality"?

I'm actually interested in discussing this, despite what those who apparently are not have to say about me. :wink:

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #5742641 - 06/12/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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JacquesCousteau said:
Moon, have my babies :blush: :thumbup:




My god, those would be ugly ass babies. :lol:

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5742662 - 06/12/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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MushroomTrip said:
So what you're implying is that we really have no power to decide something, that all of our actions and thoughts are transmitted to us, and we just "execute" like some kind of puppets.




Strange, that is totally contradictory to what I am directly expressing and implying. :shocked:

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This doesn't really leaves much space to freedom, free will and personality. And by that you're denying even our responsibilities for our actions.




As Moonshoe would say, you are responding to your own interpretations, your own fabrications. :grin:

I have not implied what you are speaking of. If one were to consider reality to be the summation of all existance, reality being all of that which is real, then it would entirely make sense that we would exist as aspects of reality, would it not?

If we were aspects of reality, wouldn't reality be expressing itself through us? That is to say, does reality not express itself as itself?

Action and change flow through reality. Energy, cause and effect. That is what I refer to when I say "if anything, reality is produced through them". Reality has propagated our existance. We certainly freely think, and make decisions on how to act and behave. That is reality being produced through us.

It is as if you are assuming that the notion of us being reality and reality expressing itself through us contradicts the part we play in reality. :wink:

That which I am proposing does not negate the soul, if you will (which, to me, simply means the substance, the action, the energy, in its being... :nut:).

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5742810 - 06/12/06 05:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Here is my point of view:

I posted this, like everything i post, for a very specific reason. I felt exceptionally joyfull, alive, and awake, and full of a distinctly positive energy, and i  wanted to try my best to spread that energy to as many people as possible, through the medium of the internet.

My initial post was written in a state of extreme joy. Hence, it is more expressive, mystic poetry than a philosophical dissertation. You come along and begin making  inquiries and assertions and demands as if you were critiquing a philosophical essay, because that is in fact how you have decided to approach this, and that is thus the experience you are making.

In other words, you are trying to make my apples into oranges, my art and expression of love and gratitude for god into an intellectual dissertation. I am speaking from the heart and soul, you are speaking from the mind.

You are not wrong for doing that and i do not criticize you for it. However, as soon as i respond to a single one of your critiques or questions, i engage in your game , and my initial intention, to spread love and joy and hope, is lost, and this becomes nothing more than contest of ego's, a verbal fencing match.

There was a time when such things really delighted me. Now i recognise all conflicts, even "constructive debate" for what they are: a degradation of the natural harmony of nature. Moreover, they can only exist if both sides participate.

I hope i have not caused offence to anyone. I strive at all times to make all my statements as neutral, honest and non offensive as i can, and strive only to either : arouse positive energy in my readers OR clearly and candidly explain my thoughts and feelings.

I DO NOT post to argue, debate, win, lose, bargain, fight, praise myself or degrade others, and if i see someone trying to call me into one of those states of being, i try to avoid getting locked into that energy.

Namaste
(the God in me acknowledges and bows before the God in you)

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5742858 - 06/12/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Moonshoe, I realise I am not a part of this discussion and that this goes quite off topic to the original intent of the post.

Besides all that, I just had to mention that I just read your last post and it brought up in me a couple of feelings I thought were interesting.

First of all, I have always been a person who believed in constustive discussion, but your short sharing of your beliefs rocked my positiong in the matter a little bit. I still feel it can be used positively, if both sides are viewing it that way, as a constructive discussion, but now share a better understanding of the full issue.

Besides that, in all honesty and without any at all form of disrespect, I felt as though your post was a little ego boasting towards how wonderfully you view everything and how happy you are. It seems you are putting energy into boasting your accomplishments rather than helping others achieve those same accomplishments.

Not to say I really believe you are actually saying those things in a spirit of ego boosting, but I am just saying the notion occured to me and at the time of reading it I truly felt that way.

No disrespect, I really enjoyed your post.

Reading your post again, you seem sincere and really I admire your sense of purpose in locking in positive energy.


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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5742947 - 06/12/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
My initial post was written in a state of extreme joy. Hence, it is more expressive, mystic poetry than a philosophical dissertation




I don't buy this conclusion, not one bit. One's emotional state of being does not signify the manner in which one will express themself. You seem to be implying that someone who composes a philosophical dissertation is not in a state of extreme joy... how do you know that?

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. You come along and begin making  inquiries and assertions and demands as if you were critiquing a philosophical essay, because that is in fact how you have decided to approach this, and that is thus the experience you are making.




You made your points and expressed your ideas, and I did so accordingly. This is the purpose of a forum. The fact that you have addressed me in the manner that you have for doing so is suggestive of the fact that it may trouble you that I have done so... which makes me wonder why you choose to post in this forum. :wtf:

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In other words, you are trying to make my apples into oranges, my art and expression of love and gratitude for god into an intellectual dissertation. I am speaking from the heart and soul, you are speaking from the mind.




I appreciate the holier-than-thou sentiments, but, again, I am not going to buy it. There is nothing evident in my replies that suggests that my words are not art and an expression of love and gratitude. I honestly think you are speaking from the mind, one that perhaps operates with a sense of superiority.

No matter how you wish to paint the picture of what happened, it is as simple as this: you made a statement that acts as an observation of the nature of reality. I, quite naturally, raised questions concerning that statement. You have refused to address my points in any manner beyond questioning and commenting my intentions and purposes for posting.

I have no concern for how much joy you were feeling in making your post, or where you are speaking from - I am interested in participating in open discussion of ideas that are expressed. That is what I do, and that is what this place is. Why is it, that when I actively engage in doing so, one must raise a dramatic issue over it? Hello, speaking English here, this is a house of ideas pertaining to philosophy and spirituality, not a soapbox from which one propagates one's ideas and then addresses the personal nature of those who are actually interested in discussion. :nonono:

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However, as soon as i respond to a single one of your critiques or questions, i engage in your game , and my initial intention, to spread love and joy and hope, is lost, and this becomes nothing more than contest of ego's, a verbal fencing match.




I fail to recognize exactly how it is that discussing ideas and exchanging perspectives on a matter is nothing more than a "verbal fencing match". As I have already stated, if I had not questioned your statement, and only affirmed it, being all like "Oh man, I feel the love and joy!", you would have not likely described the situation as you have.

My intention is to foster understanding, realization, and perspective. If you intend to spread love, joy, and hope, then I would suggest finding a better manner in which to do so. A message of love, joy, and hope that cannot respond to inquiries and different points of view certainly is not a strong message.

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There was a time when such things really delighted me. Now i recognise all conflicts, even "constructive debate" for what they are: a degradation of the natural harmony of nature. Moreover, they can only exist if both sides participate.




Exactly. You interpret this exchange as a conflict. This is great evidence of the manner in which you interpret the world, and it simply does not reflect the reality of the matter. You continue to respond to a sense of conflict that you create, one which does not actually exist.

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I DO NOT post to argue, debate, win, lose, bargain, fight, praise myself or degrade others, and if i see someone trying to call me into one of those states of being, i try to avoid getting locked into that energy.




Same here, my friend. :sun:

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5743035 - 06/12/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

An open mouth - a closed heart.

Little said is well said.

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5743059 - 06/12/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Fireworks god, others:

if any of you sincerely desires to understand what i am trying to say, or to feel where i am coming from, please take the time to visit this thead. If, after reading this thread, you feel your comments and criticisms are still valid or applicable, then our eventual discussion will be much more fruitfull.

Love

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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=5743040&page=0&vc=1#Post5743040

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5743112 - 06/12/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Jesus fucking Christ, I'll certainly read that, as soon as I have some time. Maybe I can take next week off from work? :grin:

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Telepylus]
    #5743140 - 06/12/06 07:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Telepylus said:
An open mouth - a closed heart.




Unless your intention is to remain vauge and cryptic, do you feel like elaborating on that? In making that statement, did your heart close? Conversation closes one's heart... never thought of that one....

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Little said is well said.




You might need to let Moonshoe know that, in regards to the post that he has linked to. :tongue:

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Do not waste cherries on a pig or advice on a fool.




*heeds advice and resists temptation to tell you to shut the fuck up* :lol:

See, what I did, there, is make it seem as though I am not a fool, since your advice was not wasted upon me, but yet that you yourself were a fool, since I expressed that I was not going to waste advice on you - that is, if you need the analytical commentary on my actions... I have to stay on-topic, after all. :smirk:

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5743153 - 06/12/06 07:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5743173 - 06/12/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Wow, you must be dyslexic too. :rolleyes:






i reread this whole thread.
not sure where firworks god gets off with that reply to the original post.

moonshoe is obviously very bright, and beautiful.
99% of what moonshoe has said is TRUE.
99% of what fireworks god has said is totally undeniably FALSE.

i love you moonshoe, it's comforting to know that people like you still exist.
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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Telepylus]
    #5743475 - 06/12/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Telepylus said:
i reread this whole thread.
not sure where firworks god gets off with that reply to the original post.




Well, quite honestly, it is a joke pertaining to another recent thread with Shwammel, in which he expressed that he was dyslexic. It was my way of expressing that Moonshoe got the order of operations backwards.

When you automatically assume conflict and negativity of another person, that is what you get... and isn't that what this thread is about anyways?  :eek:

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moonshoe is obviously very bright, and beautiful.
99% of what moonshoe has said is TRUE.
99% of what fireworks god has said is totally undeniably FALSE.




So, what.. did you run that one through a computer? Strange coincidence, how they ended up being the same percentage and all...  :eek: once again..

Indeed, everything I have said may totally, undeniably be false, but you certainly have not demonstrated, in any way, shape, or form, exactly how it is false, so I don't exactly see why any of us should consider your opinion on my words to have any merit or value to it. :shrug:

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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5743846 - 06/12/06 09:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

fireworks god: it took me about five minuites to read that post in its entirety. with your vocabulary, it will take you about the same. It address most of the questions and challenges you have posed in this thread. after all fuss, i think you should take five minuites and read my post.


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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5743857 - 06/12/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

ok, here is one example, lol
i'll entertain you because i've nothing better to do at the moment.

you just said that i automatically assumed conflict and negativity.
that is FALSE.

if i had made an assumption, then i would've been somewhat sure of why you would make such a blunt statement to someone who is obviously in a state of poesy, or venting with abstract spiritual thoughts and feelings, so that others like me can read and say "cool".

but i said "not sure where fireworks god gets off"
which means i was unsure
which means i was free from unwarranted assumptions

now i know where you get off
and it's no big deal anyways
let me tell you though

instead of trying to tap into the freeflowing sort of poesy that floats through the world of discovery and invention- and not through psychology books or science videos.
instead you hold onto these fragile constructions, trying to discredit or debate with something which is inherently ineffible.

and this is the way you vent your feelings and emotions
to teach yourself things
the same way that moonshoe vents his feelings and emotions through his writing

only i say his is true because it is working on a constructive pattern,
while yours seems more geared toward attempts at discrediting an idea, rather than display your own vision of truth, or proof.

it isn't hard to pick apart words typed in an instant, and feud with definitions and terminology, to run in circles for the sake of sweat.
all pups do it, it's part of growing up.

it's easy to get confused over simple bulletin message
answer this question-
is it TRUE that you Love Moonshoe?
or is all this just so much wasted breath?

if it is true that you love Moonshoe, then maybe your love just seems a little bit dysfunctional to me, that's common after all.
but if isn't true that you love Moonshoe, then this is wasted breath which means it's FALSE, no one is remembering or listening to any of it.

the statistics i gave are just a silly sort of exaggeration-
another example for one who can tell TRUE from FALSE.
in any communication with a person, or animal or anything, you've got to be able to reach in and read the inflexion in a persons voice, or the nuance or their wording, you've got to feel the meaning behind the signals they are putting out-
otherwise you're a danger to yourself and others.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the importance of communicating honestly
especially when trying to evolve or transcend

again, with confusion, you say, "isn't that what this thread is about anyways" as in what? conflict and negativity?

i thought it was about remembering purity, or wholesomess, or some high state of consciousness.

i'm just making an observation
i have no ill feelings toward you or anyone
if i did, i certainly wouldn't waste my breath

see how that works?


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Re: Pure Holy High [Re: Moonshoe]
    #5743865 - 06/12/06 09:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Moonshoe said:
fireworks god: it took me about five minuites to read that post in its entirety. with your vocabulary, it will take you about the same. It address most of the questions and challenges you have posed in this thread. after all fuss, i think you should take five minuites and read my post.




I'm not sure what fuss you are referring to, but, as I said, as soon as I have some time, I will read it. :wink:

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