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mr_yellow
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Monotub FAE Question...
#5733821 - 06/10/06 11:03 AM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Just a quick question... I know that monotubs are set up to be self-automated, requiring nothing, for the most part, between patching and harvest. I'm wondering whether or not adding a filtered aquarium air pump would be counter-productive.
It has been 11 days since I patched, and no sign of pinning whatsoever. The mycelium is doing great and is extremely even, but I think I might not be getting enough FAE to initiate pinning. Should I stop worrying about it so much? If adding an air pump is plausible, would the airline be better placed at the top (since that's where fresh air comes in with monotubs), or right above the casing layer? Help and suggestions are greatly appreciated!
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mr_yellow
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5734091 - 06/10/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I should probably also add some specifics, just in case...
- PF cakes, crumbled and cased to 70/30 verm/coir casing. - 6 individual casing trays in the monotub. - 12 hole setup (6 at top, 6 slightly above casing). - 72° fruiting temps, roughly 14/10 light cycle. - Slow fan pointed towards top holes to encourage more FAE through polyfil.
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monstermitch
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5734121 - 06/10/06 12:27 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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monotubs are not for individual casing trays. they are for bulk.
that fan may be too much. I personally wouldn't point it at the tub.
This is a set it and forget it deal.
You should have pins any day now. 11 days is about right.
If you add FAE, you will ruin your humidity. Leave it be. You'll be fine.
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Psychoslut
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: monstermitch]
#5734136 - 06/10/06 12:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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monstermitch said: monotubs are not for individual casing trays. they are for bulk.
that fan may be too much. I personally wouldn't point it at the tub.
This is a set it and forget it deal.
You should have pins any day now. 11 days is about right.
If you add FAE, you will ruin your humidity. Leave it be. You'll be fine.
exactly, hes probably knoting out of control and doesnt know it cause he cant see through the tub
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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mr_yellow
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: Psychoslut]
#5734213 - 06/10/06 12:56 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Thanks guys. Fan was moved, and no air pump will be added... I kinda figured that since monotubs were setup to self-regulare air exchange, an air pump might hurt more than it would help.
Monstermitch, I wondered about using individual trays in a monotub style setup, but decided to try it anyway. So far, it has been working well as far as I can tell. The six trays fit perfectly in the footprint of the 58 qt. tub, so I figured it should probably work, even if not optimal.
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monstermitch
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5734231 - 06/10/06 01:01 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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doesn't sound too bad.
all of your humidity comes from your casings. If there is about no open space, you could be just fine. Keep us posted on how it does.
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5734234 - 06/10/06 01:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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next time you can make it work better by puting moist perlite in the areas that the trays are not sitting.
If there is a cieling fan in the room the tub is in turn it on low and leave it on low the entire grow.
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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monstermitch
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: Psychoslut]
#5734247 - 06/10/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psychoslut said: next time you can make it work better by puting moist perlite in the areas that the trays are not sitting.
If there is a cieling fan in the room the tub is in turn it on low and leave it on low the entire grow.
just wondering...
would the perlite make the humidity too high? a RH of 98-100% with casings is counter productive, correct? The perlite may very well keep the humidity at 98-100%, correct?
could very well be wrong, never tried it. Just curious.
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: monstermitch]
#5734260 - 06/10/06 01:08 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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whats the size of the tub again?
it all depends on how much air space the casing layer has to fight for moisture. the more air space in the tub, the more area of moist substrate you need in the tub to prevent the humidity from going too low. that moist substrate can be the casing or perlite.
Do you have condensation on the sides of the container?
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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mr_yellow
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: Psychoslut]
#5734281 - 06/10/06 01:14 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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monstermitch, the fit is very tight, and the only space between the trays is the area where they're rounded at the bottom corners. Hopefully it'll fare well, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Psychoslut, hopefully next time I'll be going at it the suggested way, but if not, I'll be sure to incorporate a bit of perlite (thanks for the tip, though!). I'm sure yields would be much better with one larger, deeper substrate/casing than six shallower seperate ones (a correct assumption?). Oh, and I've had the ceiling fan on the entire time, and only added the smaller fan yesterday when I started wondering if I was getting enough FAE.
I'll definitely keep you guys updated.
edit: whoops, had the reply screen up for too long, see next post for answers to your other replies.
Edited by mr_yellow (06/10/06 01:15 PM)
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mr_yellow
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: Psychoslut]
#5734295 - 06/10/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Psychoslut, the tub is 58 Qt., and yes, there is plenty of condensation on the sides.
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monstermitch
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5734304 - 06/10/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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you should be fine as is.
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Psychoslut
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5734306 - 06/10/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah you really should of done one substrate directly in the bottom of the tub, theres no reason not to.
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: Psychoslut]
#5734461 - 06/10/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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hook up monotub to coolmist
get shrooms like these from 1 pint of brf hawaiian
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mushboy]
#5734494 - 06/10/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think Ill stick to how I do it.
That is first flush of Brazils in a 64 quart mono tub with about 4 inches of horse manure approx 30lbs wet poo, no casing layer or dunking.
-------------------- [quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mushboy]
#5734554 - 06/10/06 03:02 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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mushboy said: hook up monotub to coolmist
get shrooms like these from 1 pint of brf hawaiian
That's pretty damn good for one pint. Spawn it to coir or poo to stretch out the cake even more.
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mr_yellow
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: FooMan]
#5734797 - 06/10/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Jealousy...
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mr_yellow
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5750396 - 06/14/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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An update for anyone interested... Everything is going extremely well. Very even pinset developing, and a few soon-to-be monsters popping up. I'll keep you guys posted! Thanks again.
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Re: Monotub FAE Question... [Re: mr_yellow]
#5769711 - 06/19/06 08:22 PM (17 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wow... I'm in shock. I just returned from Bonnaroo, and the six individual casings are doing great. Yesterday, I picked a single fruit that was 45g wet (even if it was one of only 4 or 5 shrooms on that particular casing, lol)! I'm going to keep a tally of the final yield I can pull from these, and then do a single casing in the same tub (same depth, casing layer, etc.) and see how much improvement I see.
Thanks once again for all your help and advice everyone!
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Quick question that I thought I posted last night but can't find now. Ceiling fan ? Anyone experimented with it drawing air up, or better blowing down at it
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