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Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens
    #5732109 - 06/09/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is a news article which could have huge implications, I suggest for people to keep up on this topic (some government may try to cover it up to ensure religious stability?)

Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens
http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/science/06/02/red.rain/index.html


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5732139 - 06/09/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

wow, the first thread about aliens which is applicable to this forum....


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5732157 - 06/09/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

hmmm.

hopefully this leads to something positive.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5732159 - 06/09/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if it has any validity to real life, this could easily result in trillions of non-exsistent dollars to be dumped into space exploration organizations, as opposed to trying to fix our current state. Then again, this could really throw a wrench into some religions.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5732164 - 06/09/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

very interesting


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: demiu5]
    #5732172 - 06/09/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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if it has any validity to real life, this could easily result in trillions of non-exsistent dollars to be dumped into space exploration organizations, as opposed to trying to fix our current state. Then again, this could really throw a wrench into some religions.



not religions, political agendas.

i mean, it's like saying finding out the earth is round was a threat to Christianity, no just to the churches and their control over the mind's of others.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5732176 - 06/09/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well obviously you dont understand the implications of this, it would be a fundamental re-working of what we understand to be life itself, and would greatly alter human's perception of reality. This is based on fact and not some sort of story, it is a FOUND lifefrom, which rained from the air, possible explanations being a meteorite, and the cells contain NO DNA, all life on earth as we know it contains DNA, and they now are incubating life that does not have the basic building blocks of all life on Earth. These cells which replicate unlike any known cell and can survive temperatures of 600F when theres no known organism known on earth that can survive past 250F.

Even if they are not extraterrestrial, they are a fundamentally different kind of lifeform which is uncomparrable to any known life.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5732179 - 06/09/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This should be on the science forum. It is interesting, but it is very old news.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5732183 - 06/09/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ohh! Theres a science forum!! Hah I havent been here for a long while sorry guys! :P


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5732188 - 06/09/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Well obviously you dont understand the implications of this, it would be a fundamental re-working of what we understand to be life itself, and would greatly alter human's perception of reality. This is based on fact and not some sort of story, it is a FOUND lifefrom, which rained from the air, possible explanations being a meteorite, and the cells contain NO DNA, all life on earth as we know it contains DNA, and they now are incubating life that does not have the basic building blocks of all life on Earth. These cells which replicate unlike any known cell and can survive temperatures of 600F when theres no known organism known on earth that can survive past 250F.

Even if they are not extraterrestrial, they are a fundamentally different kind of lifeform which is uncomparrable to any known life.



whoa i thought i read that they did have DNA....

well that would indeed be revolutionary. you are right about everything it is just that to me true religion would not have a problem with this...... it is just the way of having a narrow and self-centered world view that half-hearted followers have that would be challenged.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: leery11]
    #5732192 - 06/09/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"whoa i thought i read that they did have DNA...."

No DNA or nucleus. Recent studies indicate that this might be a mineral...not a cell. It is not organic and has NOT been observed to replicate.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5732197 - 06/09/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote from the article:

"We've already got some stunning pictures -- transmission electron micrographs -- of these cells sliced in the middle," Wickramasinghe says. "We see them budding, with little daughter cells inside the big cells."


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5732242 - 06/09/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have read about this from the beginning...a couple years ago...check the validity of your source.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5732535 - 06/09/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The source is CNN, so who knows *shrug* Occams Razor would dictate you're right, but only with the current views we have of reality, this changes all the time, the probability may be higher technically with current data that it is not extraterrestrial data, but theres still a fairly decent probability there is even WITH our current understanding of reality, and if that very fabric changes then we can understand the universe better.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5732631 - 06/09/06 11:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'll be the first to cheer at signs of extraterrestrial life, but this ain't it.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5733130 - 06/10/06 02:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Other theories have implicated fungal spores, red dust swept up from the Arabian peninsula, even a fine mist of blood cells produced by a meteor striking a high-flying flock of bats."

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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: fresh313]
    #5733169 - 06/10/06 03:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It could actually help religions if they are smart enough to make sense of it and implement it into their theology


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5733789 - 06/10/06 10:50 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Other theories have implicated fungal spores, red dust swept up from the Arabian peninsula, even a fine mist of blood cells produced by a meteor striking a high-flying flock of bats."

All of which would require it to contain DNA and none of which can replicate.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5734038 - 06/10/06 12:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"""Stranger still, dozens of his experiments suggest that the particles may lack DNA yet still reproduce plentifully,
even in water superheated to nearly 600 degrees Fahrenheit ."""
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"""The next significant step, explains University of Sheffield microbiologist Milton Wainwright is to confirm whether the cells truly lack DNA.
So far, one preliminary DNA test has come back positive."""
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Don't get to excited, it just may contain DNA like everything else....
The whole article is like a wordplay around the fact that they "don't know", then at the end they say one test comes back positive for DNA....    :shrug:

How many tests have to come back positive for DNA before this is a moot point...?
And why aren't they doing them at a feverish pace....?
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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: leery11]
    #5734109 - 06/10/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sorry leery11, let me restate:

It could hurt individual followers of religions, with the potential to harm religions.

I have known many Christians who think there is no other life anywhere but here on earth, and if life was to be found elsewhere, it would shatter them and their beliefs.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: demiu5]
    #5734536 - 06/10/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Sorry leery11, let me restate:

It could hurt individual followers of religions, with the potential to harm religions.

I have known many Christians who think there is no other life anywhere but here on earth, and if life was to be found elsewhere, it would shatter them and their beliefs.




which is really silly cause the idea there there is no life exept on earth is contrary to everything christianity believes in. Angels, saits, God, they don't live on earth, and therefore are extraterrestrials by definition


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5734641 - 06/10/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Except God was supposed to have created life only on earth, and spiritual entities don't qualify as life.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5734698 - 06/10/06 04:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Except God was supposed to have created life only on earth, and spiritual entities don't qualify as life.




And what does "spiritual entity" mean anyway? What is it?


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OmEgAx1]
    #5734712 - 06/10/06 04:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Except God was supposed to have created life only on earth, and spiritual entities don't qualify as life.




No, the Orthodox Judeo-Christian God was supposed to have created life only on earth.

Don't use God in such a general sense.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: spud]
    #5734726 - 06/10/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

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Except God was supposed to have created life only on earth, and spiritual entities don't qualify as life.




the Orthodox Judeo-Christian God was supposed to have created life only on earth.





can you quote Bible on that?


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5734772 - 06/10/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

God has given us rather specific details of the future and even some details into how the world will end. If God had created living beings elsewhere, this would automatically destroy their dwelling place as well. Adam's sin caused all of creation to be affected, so why would a race of beings, not of Adam's sin, have their part of creation affected by it, and then be part of the restoration brought about by Christ? It just seems absurd.

This is the claim made by most Orthodox Judeo-Christians. I am not inferring that it holds any validity in regards to Orthodox Judeo-Christianity, simply because I am not a member of it. It is just an argument I've heard over and over. Being a Gnostic myself, I have no objection to life on other planets.

I'm actually heading out the door, but I'd love to continue this tonight.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: spud]
    #5734788 - 06/10/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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If God had created living beings elsewhere, this would automatically destroy their dwelling place as well.





Whoa. Now that's a leap in logic

Genesis clearly describes creation of life on earth. Wheather there is life on other planets is irrelevant and neither mentioned nor refuted in Genesis or any other part of Bible.

So, the people you've been hearing these arguments are jumping to conclusions. You have to separate religious texts from people who read them.


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Re: Mysterious Red Cells Might Be Aliens [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5735164 - 06/10/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Never did I claim it was logical. I find few of the Orthodox Judeo-Christian premises logical.

Each branch of Christianity has it's own worldview. It is important to separate the text from the people when making general statements on Christianity, but when the specifics come into play, the worldview is pretty common. The disbelief in alien existence is something standard amongst the Orthodox Judeo-Christian worldview. I've came across several protestant Presbyterians, for example, who do believe in the possibility of alien existence. And pretty much every Catholic Gnostic I've met accepts the possibility. It is faciliated in their worldview as a non tabboo belief. The same can not be said for the Orthodox Judeo-Christians.


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