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hackysackwiz
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LSD Newbie Questions
#5732099 - 06/09/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have been learning about LSD for about a month and a half now. As of now, I have never done any drugs but I am pretty convinced that I want to try LSD. I do have some concerns however. My biggest is knowing that what I have is LSD. I've heard that if it glows under a black light, it's the real stuff but I have also heard that UV light breaks down LSD. Also, what other drugs could be put on a blotter that would glow under a UV light? Any help would be appricated.
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Mezcal
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most blotter paper glows under UV whether or not it has LSD on it, there's no reliable test for the presence of LSD other than just going for it.
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I would imagine LSD would be a pretty giant leap if you have never done any other drugs ever before...
You have to trust your source... If you don't, then wait until you find somebody that you can.
Good Luck.
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Koala Koolio
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Don't even worry about the blacklight stuff. The most common print right now is just plain white anyway, which will generally glow.
You can detect a chemical besides LSD, usually by the taste. If it's bitter, and you want nothing but lsd, spit it out immediately. Test *one* blotter first, for this reason, even if you plan to take 2 (of lsd). If you spit it out right away, the other chemicals might still have soaked in enough to feel noticable effects. But don't freak out, they require quite a bit for a strong experience. A second or two of a single hit on your tongue will almost surely not be overwhelming, or a 24 hour experience. Your night might not be what you planned, but it doesn't need to be ruined.
The best thing you can do is just know your source, trust them, know people who have done that batch, etc.
There are only a few drugs commonly substituted for LSD on blotter. Here they are: DOB: A full active dose, if laid onto blotter correctly, could certainly fit on a single hit, but strength varies obviously. Some people really do like this one. Seems to have its upsides, but lasts a while, like the other psychedelic amphetamines. Be prepared to have awareness of effects for possibly up to 24 hours.
DOI: Another psychedelic amphetamine. No experience with this one, can't say I desire to. A full dose can certainly last at least a day and a half.
5-MeO-AMT: Not as long lasting as the DOx family, but considered by many to be the least pleasant of these chemicals I'm listing. Stomach issues are common, or other minor physical symptoms. Might take longer than the 30-60ish minutes LSD takes to kick in, and might last longer. One hit of this blotter will generally only result in minimal effects. I know people who have taken such blotter. Not preferred to LSD by any means, but not a regretted experience. People do/did order this by choice from companies, it is a drug people choose to do. Some people have had the best drug experiences of their lives on this, but many dislike it because of stomach issues etc.
DOC: This one has just started being used on blotter lately. But people have also been buying and intentionally using it lately, and it has gained a lot of popularity. Seems to be the general favorite out of all of these chems I'm listing. For me, effects lasted around 12 hours, but sleep was not possible until 24ish hours. Many report sleep much sooner. Even shortly after the effects wear off. Very pleasant visuals, and a positive experience.
Just keep in mind that none of these things are going to kill you. Don't freak out when you eat the hit and taste bitterness. Welcome the experience, because the worst that can happen is that it can come. And it is possible to have a great time with any of these. Just a little less sleep is all. Making sure it isn't just "holy shit, this isn't acid, it's some totally fucked up mystery chem!" goes a long way. If you're familliar with what these other things are, you've got a whole lot less to fear. And don't count on it being anything besides them besides plain blank paper.
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ThreePieceSuit
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Re: LSD Newbie Questions [Re: Mezcal]
#5732324 - 06/09/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You should trust the person you're getting it from. If you're really worried about it being something other than LSD, take only a tiny fragment of the blotter, and wait several days. If the blotter is bitter and you have a) no strange feelings or b) slight strange feelings you should have real acid.
If it isn't bitter, and you get sick, well...
At any rate, I wouldn't worry too much. If there' genuine acid where I live, there should be acid anywhere.
Not much help, but good luck! 
Edit: Koala, bitter = not acid? I suppose there's a lot of phony LSD around here then. My bad... I've never taken acid, so I wouldn't really know.
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thehandtruck
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You are not going to be able to tell. Trust your source like doomsdayrobert mentioned. If anything you will get something else and it may still be fun. My only qualm is that you it's not LSD and you don't have a good time but are convinced it is, and then are detered from such a wonderful experience.
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Koala Koolio
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Quote:
ThreePieceSuit said: ...take only a tiny fragment of the blotter, and wait several days. If the blotter is bitter and you have a) no strange feelings or b) slight strange feelings you should have real acid. ... Edit: Koala, bitter = not acid? I suppose there's a lot of phony LSD around here then. My bad... I've never taken acid, so I wouldn't really know.
LSD blotter might have the slightest hint of bitterness. Hell, maybe it's just the paper sometimes. That is *not* what we're talking about comapred to these 'research chemicals'. These chems have strong bitter tastes that are easily recognizable. You will cringe.
Waiting several days is pointless. Several hours is fine. You're not going to wake up 2 days later with strange feelings.
"You are not going to be able to tell. Trust your source like doomsdayrobert mentioned. If anything you will get something else and it may still be fun. My only qualm is that you it's not LSD and you don't have a good time but are convinced it is, and then are detered from such a wonderful experience. "
I agree that you need to know your source, and do your best to enjoy it anyway.
But the bitterness will likely give it away. If not, the effects might, even with nothing to compare it to but text. Do you just mean before he puts it in his mouth?
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thehandtruck
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Before or after it will be very difficult. Sometimes acid is kept in vials then just put onto paper. Sometimes thick sometimes not, sometimes with art sometimes without. So I guess beforehand you're really not going to know. And even when you do it seems like you won't be able to tell. But if you have to take 6-7 hits chances are it's another chemical. Acid is smaller, for lack of better terms. Meaning that it takes more physical space to put other chemicals. Which is why you have to take more. One might say, "no it's just really weak". That is a possibility, but I think the chances are better it's not really acid if you have to take a lot of it, rather than just really weak shit. The problem with manufacture is not amounts of mics. There is just not enough people that make it. So chances are if you trip well off 1-2 hits, it's acid.
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Koala Koolio
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No.
DOB, DOC, and DOI easily fit onto single hits of blotter.
LSD hits are often laid thin, onto many sheets to maximize profits by dealers lower in the food chain.
It would not be rare at all to get one hit DOB, and 3 hit lucy.
"Acid is smaller, for lack of better terms. Meaning that it takes more physical space to put other chemicals. Which is why you have to take more."
There is a better term, which isn't saying much, because that term is completely invalid in this situation, no offense. Potency is the word you're looking for. It is more potent, and has lower dosages. The molecule itself is bigger/heavier than DOB/DOI/DOC/5-MeO-AMT.
"One might say, "no it's just really weak". That is a possibility, but I think the chances are better it's not really acid if you have to take a lot of it, rather than just really weak shit."
It depends. If you're taking 7 hits to trip, it's suspicious and a ripoff anyway. There are plenty of better indicators as to whether or not it's acid... much better than just how many hits you're eating. Could have easily lost potency over time. Or, like I said earlier, it could've been made weaker to maximize profit, which is extremely common these days.
"Sometimes acid is kept in vials then just put onto paper."
Either vials of liquid are made, or sheets of paper are made from crystal. You don't go from liquid to paper. Or, if you do, your hits will be in the 6-7 dosage range like you mentioned.
Please don't continue to spread information you haven't properly researched yet.
"So chances are if you trip well off 1-2 hits, it's acid." Just not true.
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thehandtruck
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Chances. Chances are. And yes, many people have gotten 'cid in vials, and then dropped it onto construction paper. This is common. Sorry. Also, yes, it is possible to trip off something else that isn't acid from 1-2 hits. But CHANCES are it is. The rest of the stuff floating around disguised as 'cid has been pretty weak from my readings.
Why mention a ripoff, of course it's a rip off if you're taking 7 hits.
Hm, I guess I was wrong about the size issue...although many many people will argue the opposite. Not chemically that is. Just from experience from buying "acid".
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kaniz
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Theres a difference between 'a slight, metallic taste' and a 'it tastes so bitter I need to spit it out or swallow it'
the 1st - can be LSD, the 2nd - probably not LSD
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Re: LSD Newbie Questions [Re: kaniz]
#5733351 - 06/10/06 06:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol funny man
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hackysackwiz
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Thanks for all the information guys. I will look into some of the chemicals mentioned that could be on the blotter and then decide whether this is something I want to do or not.
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Iamthewalrus
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lsd does have a SLIGHT bitterness(I too have wondered if it was just the paper) this is the metalic taste ppl refer too
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DeathCompany
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totally forgot to add DOM. o yeah lsd isnt the only chemical that glows a lot of rcs glow too but different colors
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OFiShUL
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Wow, don't try LSD as your first drug. Please don't under-estimate it if you do use it. At least try something like Ecstasy or something to broaden your experiences.
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Koala Koolio
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Re: LSD Newbie Questions [Re: OFiShUL]
#5735032 - 06/10/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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"lsd does have a SLIGHT bitterness(I too have wondered if it was just the paper) this is the metalic taste ppl refer too"
I'd say just replace does with can.
"totally forgot to add DOM. o yeah lsd isnt the only chemical that glows a lot of rcs glow too but different colors"
Well, I wasn't listing everything that could possibly fit on blotter. Hell, I think carfentanyl would fit. Other DOx chemicals would... probably DOET, DON, etc. The chances of him getting LSD are probably 1000 times greater than the chances of him getting DOM these days. For the most part, DOM usage was a one time historical batch, though of course it has been made in smaller amounts. It isn't something used instead of lsd, as it too is schedule I. The time when people did mistake it for LSD, it was in tablets anyway, and not paper, even though it would've fit on paper.
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hackysackwiz
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After reading all these posts I am starting to have some serious doubts. As I have not done drugs yet I have pretty much no network so the chances of me having any trust in a dealer are almost nil. Also, taking my chances and tripping for a day and half doesn't sound like it would be a fun experience. I will definitely have to put some more thought into this.
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Koala Koolio
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Well... a very large amount of dealers who sell other chems as lsd don't even know it. Of course, many, many do too.
More importantly, I think your chances of finding *anything*, including fake L is pretty low without any connections. You can always luck out. But there are people on this forum who have been searching for years with no luck. It's 100x easier to find than it was in 2002, but it still isn't easy for many people. Some even are convinced that the major cities they live in have not a single dose in them, hehehe. "I know a lot of drug dealers. If it were here, I'd know." is the usual line. Sometimes someone on the forum will say that, and someone else in the same city will follow up, saying there's a good flood at the moment, haha.
In short: it's all about who you know. If L seems to not exist in a city for even people dying to try it, that's too bad. But it's a good sign as far as law enforcement, etc is involved. Keeping things semi-invisible, even if it means some need to wait longer, is better than having weekly news reports of highschool kids doing stupid things, and warning to parents, etc. The cheap prices and insane availability in the 60's helped allow it to become the feared chemical it is now.
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ThreePieceSuit
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hackysackwiz said: After reading all these posts I am starting to have some serious doubts. As I have not done drugs yet I have pretty much no network so the chances of me having any trust in a dealer are almost nil. Also, taking my chances and tripping for a day and half doesn't sound like it would be a fun experience. I will definitely have to put some more thought into this.
I don't think you should fear acid or mushrooms, but you should respect them.
Mushrooms as your first experience is very safe. Many of my friends took mushrooms before pot, or anything else. As long as the dose isn't too high, there's nothing to worry about.
My recommendation: Consider Fungus. 
If you're not interested, LSD is still an option, you'll just have to be quite wary.
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