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OfflineCrillz
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First time shroomin
    #5730820 - 06/09/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Tonight will be me first time ever doin shrooms. Im gettin some liberty caps. Hows much should I take and what should the price be? And any tips for a first timer will be cool.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Crillz]
    #5730906 - 06/09/06 02:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Liberty Caps are slightly stronger than Cubensis. Depending on how intense you'd like the trip to be, the quantity will vary. Price will also vary, depending on where you are. 10 bucks a gram is the going rate here, for cubensis. Since these Liberty Caps probably aren't grown indoor, make sure you trust the dealer. Liberty Caps have a few lookalikes.

1 gram will be pretty sufficient for a good trip.
1.5 would be a bit deeper, perhaps less "recreational."
Any higher than that would be quite intense and may not be enjoyable for your first time.

Suggestions: Go outside. Nature is incredible on mushrooms, even if you're not really awed by it sober. Have a fairly good idea of where to go, somewhere secluded with low chances of a run in with an authority figure.

If the weather is bad, or you've nowhere to go outside, tour your house/apartment/whatever. You may enjoy seeing how different and real things can look. Have some good music handy. Having it playing full time is not a bad idea. Relax, perhaps have a good friend you can trust there with you, and make the most of your first experience.

This trip will pretty much determine whether or not you take mushrooms again.

Enjoy! :mushroom2:


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Edited by ThreePieceSuit (06/09/06 02:27 PM)


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5731055 - 06/09/06 02:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The suggestions above are great. Music is excellent (search these forums for lots of suggestions for that), nature can make for a phenomenal experience. Make sure you are free of obligations, and are in a safe, comfortable environment. Try to simply be present in the moment, rather than obsessing over things in your past and future, or over your expectations. Try to leave expectations behind.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Zorodius]
    #5731188 - 06/09/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the replies.

Takin an adventure through a forest sounds like a plan.

But you sure libs are stronger then Cubensis... I looked up on erowid and it said a common does for libs was 4 g's and for Cubensis its 2 g's.

Idk though thats just what i read.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Crillz]
    #5732473 - 06/09/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Liberty Caps (or Psilocybe Semilanceata) are slighty stronger. How much stronger? Have a look:

Species: Psilocybin % Psilocin %
P. semilanceata .98 .02
P. cubensis .63 .60

As you can see, psilocybin is fairly high in Liberty Caps, however psilocin is significantly lower. I believe this will result in a different style of trip. I couldn't comment on how.

Source:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml

*Please note that these do not represent average values for widely sampled populations. Just because a mushroom species has some samples that show high or low concentrations does not mean that all mushrooms of that type have levels matching those in this chart.*


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5732539 - 06/09/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Cubes are ~.6% psilocybin & ~.6% psilocin. Libs are ~.9% psilocybin <.1% psilocin, as ThreePieceSuit said.
What does this mean? Again, like ThreePieceSuit said, the trips will be different. How? I don't know because I've never done liberty caps.
The main difference is that psilocin will decay simply by touching air, not to mention countless other ways (heat, namely) that it can be broken down. Psilocybin, on the other hand, is a very stable chemical that can hold it's form for 100+ years (also, psilocin is 4% stronger by weight than psilocybin).
What this means is that, when dried, Cubes lose half their potency (based on the above averages), while Libs lose almost none. You must also take into account the beefiness of cubes compared to the skimpiness of Libs. By weight, liberty caps are more potent.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5733483 - 06/10/06 08:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Lysergic. :thumbup:

Like he mentioned, gram for gram Liberty Caps will be stronger. They are pretty tiny though, so a gram will be quite a few of them.
Would you be buying by gram, or by mushroom?

I'm not certain on how many individual mushrooms a good dose would be, but we could probably help you figure it out. :smile:


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5734667 - 06/10/06 03:50 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Okay well last night I ended up not even getting them cause dude said it was an eighth of stems. I thought stems were bullshit so I said I didnt want em, but today I did some research and found out stems are just as good as caps.

So is $25 an eighth of stems worth it?


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Crillz]
    #5735600 - 06/10/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yes, it definitely is.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #5740783 - 06/12/06 05:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Definitely. There will be a lot of liberty cap stems in an 8th.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5740859 - 06/12/06 07:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ThreePieceSuit said:
Liberty Caps are slightly stronger than Cubensis. Depending on how intense you'd like the trip to be, the quantity will vary. Price will also vary, depending on where you are. 10 bucks a gram is the going rate here, for cubensis. Since these Liberty Caps probably aren't grown indoor, make sure you trust the dealer. Liberty Caps have a few lookalikes.

1 gram will be pretty sufficient for a good trip.
1.5 would be a bit deeper, perhaps less "recreational."
Any higher than that would be quite intense and may not be enjoyable for your first time.

Suggestions: Go outside. Nature is incredible on mushrooms, even if you're not really awed by it sober. Have a fairly good idea of where to go, somewhere secluded with low chances of a run in with an authority figure.

If the weather is bad, or you've nowhere to go outside, tour your house/apartment/whatever. You may enjoy seeing how different and real things can look. Have some good music handy. Having it playing full time is not a bad idea. Relax, perhaps have a good friend you can trust there with you, and make the most of your first experience.

This trip will pretty much determine whether or not you take mushrooms again.

Enjoy! :mushroom2:




1g is nothing.

you need 2-3 for anything to actually happen. 1g is pretty similar to the visuals you get while stoned.

2-3g of liberty caps is decent enough for a first time


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Cepheus]
    #5741879 - 06/12/06 01:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I disagree. Many will take a single gram of cubensis for a first trip, and still experience visuals far above those associated with pot. Liberties are twice that strength...therefore, 3 grams is somewhere around 6 grams of cubes. Tell me, would you recommend 6 grams for a first trip?

3 grams is a champion sized dose. I stand by my early statement.

1 - 2 grams.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: ThreePieceSuit]
    #5741915 - 06/12/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I took 3 grams my first time... it was insane and I dont recomend people doing that much for a first time.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: floyd_fan123]
    #5742121 - 06/12/06 02:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

3g of liberty caps your first time? wow.

I don't know if that's what you meant. But for future reference, anyone who isn't familliar with what liberty caps are, and their dosages should refrain from posting dosage answers.

"1g is nothing.

you need 2-3 for anything to actually happen. 1g is pretty similar to the visuals you get while stoned.

2-3g of liberty caps is decent enough for a first time "

1g of liberty caps is not nothing. You mention them by name, so I won't assume that you aren't familliar with them. But the advice you're posting sounds spot on for cubensis. Do you know your liberty caps were liberty caps? Did you pick them? Maybe they were improperly stored or very old.

Like threepiecesuit said, they're much stronger than cubensis. I'd say even above 2x as strong. 2.5x-3x even.

Take a nice small dose. But also keep in mind that it isn't liberty cap season right now. It's possible that you're just being given a buzz word as a sales pitch, or that the dealer really doesn't know what that means. Then again, they could be mushrooms saved from last fall.

"I thought stems were bullshit so I said I didnt want em, but today I did some research and found out stems are just as good as caps."

I'm pretty skeptical now. If he's just selling stems, someone believed caps were much better, and attempted to dose in all caps. Does anyone have any idea how many liberty *caps* would be needed for a couple grams? It'd be quite a few.

Post some pictures of the stems if you get them. There should be many small, very skinny ones. If they are typical fat mushroom stems, they're probably just cubensis.


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Re: First time shroomin [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5742729 - 06/12/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Koala Koolio said:
3g of liberty caps your first time? wow.





yup they were liberty caps


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