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PMP no longer the way to go?
    #5730416 - 06/09/06 11:51 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hello all. I'm a newb to the forum and this hobby. I've been reading the The TEKs and archives for nearly 2 weeks, night and day. My eyes are bleeding and my brain is going to explode I think. haha I've never witnessed so much information and so many different ways of doing something in my life. =)

Anyway I am getting ready to make/setup a FC. I read every post in the pmp tek. It seemed to be the way to go but when I look around in the current forums I don't really see any mention of it. My question is, is this outdated and there is now something better that I haven't yet stumbled across? Ideally I would like to do things right and get the proper setup the first time as to cause less irritation and and cost of changing the setup later.

Initially I'm starting out with a couple batches of PF and then will try my hand at casings. So a confirmation or point in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks a bunch and this place is awesome!!

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: KyleBroflovski]
    #5730445 - 06/09/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

PMP is great


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: mikeownow]
    #5730996 - 06/09/06 02:46 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I use the PMP.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: KyleBroflovski]
    #5731038 - 06/09/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

It really depends on what you are going to do...

if you are going to move right into casings after doing a few pf tek style grows...

the pmp isn't the best route to go.


The greenhouse or martha ways are...IMHO

Or you can do the Double Tub method which works great.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Roadkill]
    #5731117 - 06/09/06 03:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

^^^^^^ :thumbup:^^^^^^

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: HippieChick]
    #5734479 - 06/10/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you guys for your suggestions.

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: KyleBroflovski]
    #5734576 - 06/10/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

If you want to do simple bulk, go with a mono or double tub. If you want 2 million grams or whatever HC got out of hers  :grin:, go with a Martha.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: FooMan]
    #5734636 - 06/10/06 03:37 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

yea, if youre doing cakes, use a PMP. if you do one casing, and dont want to have to watch over it all the time, use a mono/double tub. if you plan on fruiting more than one casing at a time, best bet is a martha.

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: ]
    #5734687 - 06/10/06 04:03 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

casings require the water to evaporate from their surface regularly.

pmp's have a humidity of 98-100%
you want 90% to allow for transpiration.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5734696 - 06/10/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

My pmp is adjustable so you can play with the humidity level, so casings will work in there as well.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: kilroy]
    #5734701 - 06/10/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Right on.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: monstermitch]
    #5734716 - 06/10/06 04:15 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

marthas usually have more room than a pmp. so it all depends on how much your trying to grow i suppose.

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Delusionz]
    #5734733 - 06/10/06 04:24 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

I have nothing against marthas, if you have the room and do not have to worry about nosey people then go for it. I have to keep mine a little more on the down side. It is all up to the grower and what he/she wants and is comfortable with. GL


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: kilroy]
    #5825638 - 07/05/06 10:24 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

with marthas are you guys fanning and misting regularly though? I think the main benefit with PMP's is automation. I am thinking about a martha because of my new apt has a perfect area for them but i dont know enough about them yet. Im doing a double tub a monotub and a pmp..

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5825644 - 07/05/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

no, you don't fan a martha, a martha gets its fae from the humidifier(s). the bottom isnt air tight so the CO2 just comes out the bottom.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825731 - 07/05/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ok will someone tell me or better yet show me wtf the difference is between a cool mist and an ultrasonic. I have been looking around and it just seems that they are the same thing? whats the difference?


btw im aware that this may be me just being retarded...

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5825736 - 07/05/06 10:49 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

ow do humidifiers work? What are the types of humidifiers?
Vaporizer: Warm Mist humidifier. Typically low output units with very basic features.

Warm Mist Humidifier: A more "sophisticated" version of a vaporizer. A warm mist humidifier uses a different type of heating element than a vaporizer and typically has a removable tank. Some warm mist humidifiers are available with water purification filters that make the unit easier to clean.

Impeller: A cool mist humidifier that uses centrifugal force to create moisture. These are usually low output units with very basic features.

Evaporative Wick Humidifier: Cool mist humidifier that uses a wick filter to produce moisture.

Console Humidifier: These are the same as evaporative wick humidifiers but are much larger in size.

Ultrasonic Humidifier: Frequently referred to as "visible mist" humidifiers, ultrasonics produce cool moisture by creating vibrations in the water that break the water into moist vapor.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825743 - 07/05/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

oh, and by the way, that took about 2 seconds on google with the query: the difference between cool mist and ultrasonic humidifier


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825751 - 07/05/06 10:54 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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oh, and by the way, that took about 2 seconds on google with the query: the difference between cool mist and ultrasonic humidifier




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btw im aware that this may be me just being retarded...



:sad:

i had been looking on google.

http://home.howstuffworks.com/humidifier4.htm

heres where i should have been looking.  So i guess the commonly referred to "cool mist" humidifier is an Impeller type humidifier and the ultrasonic is exaclty that, ultra sonic.  Seems that the only real difference is that the ultrasonic puts out alot more humidity.  I mean they function differently but that is the real difference.

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5825770 - 07/05/06 11:03 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

heh :laugh:  no worries, i was bored anyways.. was going to pc some jars but pfft, it's too late now.  so i shall watch tv and refresh the cultivation thread every 10 seconds :P


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825776 - 07/05/06 11:04 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

actually, i do think that cool mist puts out the same, just a different delivery method. i could be wrong though, but i think it just depends on what size/power of cool mist/ultrasonic you buy... they have a square footage on them, telling you how much and how big of rooms they fill with humidity.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825782 - 07/05/06 11:05 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

Oh, and ultrasonics just look really fucking boss when you have them on, all foggy :P


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825795 - 07/05/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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Oh, and ultrasonics just look really fucking boss when you have them on, all foggy :P




lol..

Living where i live and the RH of my area im gonna try to setup a martha with just a cool mist first. It seems like it will be enough by itself but i guess i'll just have to wait and see.

Im pretty much just going balls out and building Every kind of FC. Ive so far innocced PF jars and some WBS jars and they are incubating now and so far i have 100% of them colonizing with no contams yet. Im gonna go ahead and buy some rye and make a shatload more and try fruiting some cakes, casing some WBS and casing some rye with Hpoo and HMC compost to try spawning with..

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5825819 - 07/05/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, i dont really have to worry about humidity where i live... seattle stays at about 75-95% almost all year round... gets kinda dry in the winter, that's the only time i need to bust anything out. it's wonderful :P


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825835 - 07/05/06 11:14 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

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yeah, i dont really have to worry about humidity where i live... seattle stays at about 75-95% almost all year round... gets kinda dry in the winter, that's the only time i need to bust anything out.  it's wonderful :P


werd, it's 40-45% Inside my apt all the time and much higher outside everyday. 

(we pretty much oWned this thread.  oops) :crazy2:

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5825852 - 07/05/06 11:16 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

it's ok, he got plenty of the answers he was looking for, plus, now he knows all about humidifiers and the humidity of seattle... see? we're great guys, he should be thankful for the thread-jacking :P


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: liamtheloser]
    #5825863 - 07/05/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 8 months ago)

i completely agree. We are awesome.

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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: Yamidude]
    #5826649 - 07/06/06 05:05 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

A cool mist IS an ultrasonic. Very few ultrasonics says so on the box most just say "cool mist". Of course, for marketing purposes they can call anything that produces a cool mist a "cool mist" humidifyer. So impellers are also called "cool mist" sometimes.

Both should work fine though. Impellers can put out a good volume.

They don't market evaporative wick types as "cool mist" because they don't put out any mist.


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Re: PMP no longer the way to go? [Re: fastfred]
    #5827363 - 07/06/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

a cool mist IS not an ultrasonic actually. saee my previous post with the link to howstuffworks.com

Edited by Yamidude (07/06/06 11:43 AM)

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