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Offlineleery11
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Duality Trap
    #5726020 - 06/08/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

3rd and final revision:
The church has been responsible, mainly, for evil and suppression of progress.

Did the church create Christianity for that express purpose?

If so, then what does that make their conception of Satan, given that they use God to persecute and control?

Now we have Christ, who has teachings completely relevant to peace, so that is one good thing.

But if the Bible is and always has been corrupted, was not inspired divine word, was rather just a hodgepodge of a mess to keep people in line.... then we have this modern day God which is worshipped, who in actuality is used to justify atrocities (and to this very day this God is still used to justify wars and killings and not just in Christianity)

so then what is the real God? Do we just use their terminologies and find peace? Do we worship the same God that they claim to and just call them liars?

Is an evil man's conception of evil still evil? Or is an evil man's conception of evil rightesousness?

Why is there such extremely discursive duality in Christianity? Why can't it just be a complete and total story about peace and leave all the fear mongering and hate and war out of it? Why is war in the Bible?


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Satan ? [Re: leery11]
    #5726135 - 06/08/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

IMHO Satan represents the archetype of all that is evil and primary. We, as human beings, incorporate such dark side, but we are capable of balance it with the side of light and good. Our emotions and actions drift along both parts, just like the yin and yang. Good and evil are opposite forces of change which complement and cyclically give rise to one another.

As i see it, one must always consider the dark side, we must know it, comprehend it, then try to control it. Knowledge is power, refusing ones dark side is to refuse knowledge itself. Accepting its existence in our nature is not falling to its hands, much the contrary, it's knowing you are human and also capable of doing good. Know your enemy ...

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Re: Satan ? [Re: leery11]
    #5726212 - 06/08/06 10:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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leery11 said:
I feel like I don't have any free will and am not sure if I should post this but it's troubling my conceptual mind.

If we blame all evil on Satan, how are we free to stop sinning? If we blame all evil on a force, how are we ever to be free from that force?

It is a Jungian Shadow given to the entire planet.

This leads me to ask, is Satan even real? Should he be embraced (not the literal i want to kill people, sacrifice virgins, start wars, kind of way) so that any notion of a corrupting evil one can be transcended......

shadow integration?

I mean, if Bush is waging war for God, then isn't Satan God? Or Isn't God Satan? Don't they both mean only what is symbolized in the heads of men?

More evil has been done in Jesus's name than Satan's hasn't it? Yet we say Satan is evil.

Maybe Satan is nothing but a shadow... the shadow of God? I dunno.

I woke up today, read the Bible and just couldn't find sense in it so I said God just show me the truth even if you have to lead me away from the Bible.

Then I read a book my mom gave me that made me feel confident about entheogens and liberal values (from a Christian author)

then the notion of Satan got into me..... the whole website that sprang up saying he is the actual compassionate God, the God that the authorities worship is the evil one, the ones their churces have us worship is the evil one.

But I don't want to worship Satan, that seems so silly....... is it not just a way to push you through the shadow so you can think on your own free from dogma?

I don't like the number 666......

Nor do I like the word Satan. But here I am entertaining these ideas and I cannot suppress them, for that is self suppression.

I do not ever want to kill a person, cause any harm or do any evil. I want love and I wonder.....

I wonder about these things.
anyone know what I mean?
anyone remember the link to that site?

Christ is good ultimately..... his lessons on loving your enemy are great, but I have this Satan notion running through my head right now...... not as an evil being ... just as a collective whipping boy of humans and the church... maybe tacked into the Bible to keep us from being rational and free?

Hummmm who knows.... i don't feel like i have free will though.




Think of it this way, satan is the source of a deasease, and humans ged infected. The infected ones can be either cured or isolated.
Jesus was sent to cure the infected if they want to accept it, if they don't, then they simply get left behind to rot in the ground.
It's not like some people don't get thje chance, everyone gets the chance to cure themselfs, but some reject it

In order to better understand the origins of Christianity and Judaism, one must free themself from the Catholic concept of eternal damnation and punishment, and understand that Jehowah works as a farmer. And like any farmer, he picks the fruit that is good and takes it, and throws away the fruit that is rotten.
And like every farmer, he plants the seeds, but the pests invade the seeds corrupting some fruit, he uses measures, but as any farmer, he has no complete control of the growth of this fruit, because when he planted the tree, he limited himself by giving people free will, something where he choses not to get involved.

Many people ask, why does he simply not forgive everyone and give them thousand chances.
Well, he is making a pie of this fruit, and what kind of cook would put rotten fruit in a pie? It would taste bad.
It's really nothing personal when you throw away a rotten apple, because it simply is not suited for the pie.

The pie is kingdom of heaven on earth, the original earth as it should have been in his mind, once all that is infected by satan is picked out, that which remained pure will be chosen for the final version of the garden of earth.
Animals and plants will be the richness of the planet, and human beings, finally being the image of their creator will be the guardians of this garden, a jewl in space.

Instead of being given earth, humans will have to earn it to inherit it.

It's all really simple, yet numerous churches complicate the things will threats of punisment, eternal damnation, rituals, repetitive praying like pagans etc.


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Re: Satan ? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5726275 - 06/08/06 10:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

so you have what you say, and it works.

but what if someone says that people are lazy, Christianity is a tool of oppression, and therefore, evil...

and that there is no such driving force as Satan corrupting our ways? Then this Satan put into the Bible is sort of similar to HELL in that its a method of fear to disempower the individual's capacity to be a functioning spiritual person.

for instance people say, sex is of the devil. I don't think so.

I think war, consumerism, materialism, are all of the "devil".

People say war is of the devil, yet war is carried out for the sake of Christ and for the sake of God.

I mean imagine it, imagine if every time you got horny it wasn't your physiology tempting you, it was the DEVIL!!!! You would freak out and think you were being posessed, and you would beg God for his mercy to deliver you... but you would never to sit down and breathe into your sexual desire and understand it for what it is, a part of you.

You would never think to integrate your base primitive desires, explore them, transcend them, and move on to higher purposes... instead you keep reaching up for that silvery cloud but you have a demon entangling your feet.

It really depends on what you attribute to Satan. There is much evil in the world..... and it could then be considered a corrupting force... but at the same time it's like a trash dumpster for all the things that mundane humans refuse to ackonwladge about themselves.....

a fear tool, right?

No religoius or political authority has come out to say "we must kill in the name of Satan!" no they do it in the name of God.

I dunno just stuff to think about. When you don't want to be a Christian anymore because it doesn't make sense to you, the authorities have two huge obstacles in your path to freedom:
hell, and Satan.

the corrupt church, that is.

Jesus is fine, but the debate is not from within the confines of scriputral dogma... that's not what I'm addressing....

Satan as a shadow that doesn't exist, but is used as a boogeyman to keep people submissive?

Satan locks you away from a part of yourself. For example if an establishment said that liberal ideas were of Satan, people would suppress the liberal ideas they currently have. If they said popular culture was of Satan (which it might arguably be, Satan in this case referring to depravity) then people would suppress their desire to listen to popular culture.

To say that there is this extremely powerful force constantly trying to corrupt you on one shoulder, and a God to be feared that will condemn you if you screw up on the other shoulder... what are you to do?

It seems to be a construction of fear programming... not that God actually is that vengeful, just that the authorities don't want you to be saved, comforted, and uplifted with love, they want you to be scared and submissive... eh?

science is of the devil.
questioning is of the devil
etc.......


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Re: Satan ? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5726295 - 06/08/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

First free will is a realitive concept, we are only free to the the circumstances that are bestowed on us, people can be genetically immoral, already applying fate to the equation

About satan, I hear people saying that we must accept satan as something real, this is not true, satan should never be consider a valid entity even if he is. One must ponder the role of satan, To understand and validate his existence is to give him undo power, the best thing to deminish the power satan, is not even acknowledge his existence as being valid. For satan represents everthing that is false, dellusion, error, wrong, darkness, voidness, torture and pain, trickery, lies, deceit. Satan has no real power other than the power we give him. He can only influence us to think he is real and a valid entity that can help. If you look at the exorists on the history channel, those people are only possessed because they believe it. Its so pathetic that they would relinquish their will to satan, In a sense they are possessed but at the same time they're only acting out their own frustations and the frauduants of satan. The biggest supporters of satan are the self professed victims, for they hold no ownership of their actions but relinquish all their their will to satan. Me even involving myself deep within this discussion of him is giving him undo credit. If you look at it black and white, God is real, Satan is a dellusion, nothing more.


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Re: Satan ? [Re: capliberty]
    #5726342 - 06/08/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I guess you guys aren't grasping what I'm trying to say.

You're right, but what if there is no evil being, rather it is an illusory "demon" placed in a fictional manner to keep you afraid and following their religious doctrine?

Then what would this being be, if all the evil attributed to him is not his at all? A way out of conditioning?

One would be at disadvantage to give something evil power by giving evil a name...... and then turning to that name in fear.

But what if it's all flip-flopped? Do you get me? You definitely want to stay away from evil but I don't know about how the planet Earth uses "Satan" as an excuse, yet they continue using their religion to spread intolerance (like for example the thread on real Christians... most Christians are just part of a political control movement, there are very few who become like Christ).

I don't know it just depends. It actually seems very relative.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Satan ? [Re: leery11]
    #5726524 - 06/08/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Religion is what it is, man made doctrine, even if it was interpreted from prophets, Religion I view is a vehicle to seek the truth, its not the all encompassing truth. You know well as I, that certain religious text are always misinterpreted, hold invalid prospectives, and ultimately promote a narrow minded view of the whole. But within its text it spread good messages to live by, and also a profound and powerful philosophy, but this doesn't make it anymore valid. Not to discredit religion, I do feel their is truth within religions,

Now with that said how does this tie into the notion of Satan and evil. Well you know that on the spiritual plane we readily accept the existence of good and evil, but on the scientific plane it could be argued no more as neurological impulses being interpreted a certain way. We're merely attacted to pleasure and repulsed by pain yet we do not know the true nature of each. You can even argue any hallucination of the mind or any so called miracle as being valid proof, as an act of our own manifestation of our own imagination thus making it invalid as proof. I think this is were alot of religions and dogma was born. Someone proclaimed this or that to be real because in their own imagination it was. Like you said its all very relative. Anything can be argued as being the truth. To me it seems all things contain truth, wisdom, but yet all things have their disposition. Meaning its not all encompassing. Philosophy in general seems to be a valid mediator in finding the truth because it holds no stance on any particular dogma, yet it falls under the disposition of science. Meaning that it undermines the power of faith. Being skeptical is limited in power by its own nature.

Thats why we adopt religions, for we seek the ultimate power and maybe this were Satan finds his niche, for our underlining motivation in seeking truth and spirituality maynot be that virtuous, we're trying to find other means to derive power which then leads to selfish greed, If you even look at all the spiritual philosophy forums, and the people who engage them often, they all validate themselves with much self importance by just even their attitudes, what can someone do to a person thats spiritual and Christ like or whatever; Nothing. Anyways to avoid evil is impossible even I think to Jesus himself, He was blameless in his generation, did not make him totally blameless.


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Re: Satan ? *DELETED* [Re: leery11]
    #5726555 - 06/08/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

To add to what Maia said and others say about our having "dark sides" I want to say that our dark sides are only places where love hasn't found its way into yet, or was forgotten. I just did a post on this is P&S.

If you want to understand the archetype of Satan leery, understand more about loves presence and when its presence is forgotten. Satan would be the archetype of love forgotten, darkness, fear.

Where there is love, the darkness, and fear looses its hold and grip on us. It's not so much a force of its own as much as it is raw energy in panic, having lost a sense of personal empowerment, having forgotten love, it's true source of power, to make things, light, good, and safe again.

In that panic of the darkness, sense of loss because of forgotten, love it wreaks a lot of damage and destruction, like a caged animal.

It behaves this way because it is angry, and frustrated and confused feeling ripped off of something REALLY GOOD, Really Powerful, and REALLY valuable, and it can't remember what that something is or where to find it and how to get it back. It can go berserk tearing up the self, others, the planet, cosmos, looking for it.

After a while, it feels its search is in vain, there is nothing to find and quits looking for it, stops believing and can then more easily justify its destructive behavior and continues with it.

OR

It sees other people "with it" and feels resentful that they don't have that "something". They looked everywhere "out there" for it and didn't find it. They start to believe, they are just not worthy of having it, don't deserve it. Some because depressed through believing that and others actually start believing things like that must be so because they are just inherently evil, and that false belief, serves to justify their actions.

And OR

They figured, if they don't have "IT" for themselves, they can just steal it away from others to get it. Only problem is, they burn through it quickly and keep having to steal it from others through manipulations. Horrible way to live. Some become spiteful and try to take that elusive something "love" away from anyone who seems to have it. They are so clouded with anger and hate at that point in their spite, they just throw it in the trash. They don;t care anymore. It's been to long and someones gonna pay. They figure, if they can't have it, NO ONE will and everyone will pay for their time without it. That's the vengeful part of it.

I hope this helps you to understand the archetype of Satan better seeing it in this light. I never even got to read your post. I gathered from replies what it was sort of about.

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Re: Satan ? *DELETED* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5726596 - 06/08/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well there is that webpage created by a "high priestess of Satan" who is saying he is the real God of human love and the religions of mankind are evil and have suppressed his name.

or something.

This initially scared me, and I was fearful having even looked at the page in curiosity, but after the passing of 6/6/6 with only one real incident (which is related to Tool and is kind of scary therefore [a volcano evacuation near Jambi]) I evaluated just how much this dogma has me manipulated through fear.

they have me afraid of a number. so afraid that i don't like to do certain kinds of counting meditation that would lead to counting 6 three times in a row.....

they have me afraid of a hell.

they have me afraid of a devil.

and frankly something about "Satan" has brought me peace. This terrified me at first, right after my bad DXM trip, that thinking about Satan and not being afraid of him would take my fear away, my fear of hell away.... how could this make any sense? So I fought it off...

But I realized today that the curiosity is there and it won't go away until satisfied, that I would never choose to send myself to hell or to live an evil and/or hateful life (though I had been sending a lot of hate to TV and you were right about that) so I thought just go ahead and think about Satan all you want.....

it sort of solidified the chi in my lower chakras......

I started to wonder is Satan just the drives of the lower primitive chakras, not bad, but CAN be bad? I mean the root all the way up to the sacral plexus is no path to heaven, far from it....... the best is a competetive animal like state.... but that doesn't mean that the root-solar plexus are wrong, no they are necessary.... just that you have to go higher than that.

and the next one up is Christ right, the heart chakra?

I mean it's like.... I don't want to follow Satan at all... I want to follow the right path. But for some reason I was lead to encountering this concept of Satan not being evil at all.

Also now I don't hate TV or society anymore (though TV's effects bother me) and I feel like it's okay to live in America...

You know who made me afraid? Christians did. Not "Satanists" not the devil..... so is the devil working through Christianity to spread fear?

But you know what? The Christians have armageddon in my head... MARK OF THE BEAST THEY SAY... America is the anti-Christ and you can't accept the mark of the beast... and that is so true isn't it? Maybe I should be afraid of this consumerist society?

The description of the mark of the beast is a definite paralell to our modern times...... I'm not sure how 666 or 616 fits into it though.

Christianity has a lot of fear and I guess Satan was an anti-dote.... by letting me explore and overcome that fear. I mean Jesus, Buddha, Ghandi, Dalai Lama.... there are the kinds of guys to follow and they have good teachings ......

but maybe this devil figure is just a shadow that needs to be stepped through in order to be a free person? Maybe nothing. I do not know much about anything I'm afraid.

I have prayed quite a bit, albeit at times gruffly and impatiently... and the Bible just does not seem to cut it for me........


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (06/08/06 12:44 PM)


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Re: Satan ? *DELETED* [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5726672 - 06/08/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

It behaves this way because it is angry, and frustrated and confused feeling ripped off of something REALLY GOOD, Really Powerful, and REALLY valuable, and it can't remember what that something is or where to find it and how to get it back. It can go berserk tearing up the self, others, the planet, cosmos, looking for it.

After a while, it feels its search is in vain, there is nothing to find and quits looking for it, stops believing and can then more easily justify its destructive behavior and continues with it.





:thumbup:

If your curious about this then go ahead, venture on, curiosity can kill you as it killed the cat. In fact curiosity is one of its favorite ploys, people are curious about things they don't know, about power and magic, but then find out all too late that they were lead into a trap. Satan or better defined archetype of Satan have you believe that hes not all that bad, that there's something he can offer to the struggle, this is the grasp of evilness in its purest form. I'm a bad struggling confused individual, but I'd never get my confusion and my complexity that mixed to think that pure evil has any merit.


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Re: Satan ? *DELETED* [Re: capliberty]
    #5726710 - 06/08/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

pure evil doesn't have any merit and i have no desire to interface with anything that is evil.

i'm not sure you understand what i am saying.

nor do I understand what I am. It all seems to be fictional to me, perhaps I am becoming agnostic again.

if you are a believer in a Christian God as only path what exactly should I be doing to help myself? I have prayed for guidance and direction and it just seems like I'm swallowing a lie to go back to Christianity.

Buddhism was the intiial breadwinner and I still value it quite a bit, though I am interested in entheogens which is kind of taboo for Buddhism and more acceptable within context of the Bible.

The Bible itself I can see some benefit in and now and then read something that catches my fancy, but have a hard time thinking it's the word of God when things the Buddha and various others have said are so much more to the point.

I dunno. I just don't want to worry about "Satan" or hell anymore, that's why I let myself think about "him".

Frankly the Buddhist no god, no devil, no beings in control of your fate but you approach is most agreeable with me intellectually.

I don't want to go against God at all.... I'm just not sure where God wants me to go (or if he exists)!
and after watching the Naked Truth video I have to say... it sure does a good job at painting out the silliness of most religions.

I only need a God if he's real, otherwise I'm talking to myself in a strange manner when I could just go with immediate intuition rather than going through odd gestures using odd names.

The inner God? Yes absolutely I think there is one there though.

Didn't Jesus himself say not to stop seeking til you find? (i'm not entirely sure).

Well what have I found? I've found the rigidity of Biblical dogma to not be in lines with my world view, however the basic principles of alrtuism present are most admirable. Golden rule, loving the enemy. Turning the cheek in pacifism. Good things.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Satan ? [Re: capliberty]
    #5726777 - 06/08/06 01:47 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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First free will is a realitive concept, we are only free to the the circumstances that are bestowed on us, people can be genetically immoral, already applying fate to the equation





Well, I'm talking within the idea of Judeochristian religion, and there every man can chose. Yes some people are born sinfull, and they are called "bad seed" in the Bible.
Of course, even natural born killers sometimes find ways to restrain themself. Some of them actually try to avoid situations where they know would hurt someone.

So how come some people are born just to die because of their genetic sin?

Well, it is mentioned in the Bible that once God created people, the fallen angels Nephilim saw the female humans and came down to fornicate with them creating impurity in their generations. This is basically the reason for the great flood which exterminated all the children of this genetic defiling.
It also goes beyond Judaism, fornication of gods and human females is mentioned in greek mythology too and other religions.

These sons of god were rebels, like Satan, who is the ultimate rebel.

So basically all the suffering in the world comes as a sabotage of the rebel entities, through temptations (like the first sin), and through genetic defiling of the humans whose original pure genes made them like god and his race of angels, only dumber.

So in these religions, death for sin and mass slaughter of humans is really not a punishment, but a fight between these two forces. Rebels screw up the human genes and tempt them into sin, then they are like spoiled food which needs to be thrown away, so god destroys these humans.

God does love the human breed, but they are still his creation, which needs to be perfected, so he throws away those who are screwed up beyond repair by his enemy.

It's like a fight for t-shirts between a mom with a detergent and a messy kid.
The kid runs around making stains on the shirts, the mom runs after him, cleaning the shirts, and throwing away those who can't be cleaned.


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Re: Satan ? *DELETED* [Re: leery11]
    #5727268 - 06/08/06 03:38 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ya know, Barbara Marciniacks book, Path To Empowerment, really gets into so much of what you have been posting about lately. It help you make sense of all the confusion. I'm ready to just order you a copy myself.:lol:

There's a big difference between the False Ego that starts to believe its God and manipulates and intimidate people through fear to gain power and control over them and......

the person that shifts from out of separation ego and merges awareness with the higher universal self that is aware of itself within all things, that is what people do when they say, the Divine or God is within you and is you and you a part of it, or the micro macro holographic fractal version.

Look for that difference as you are exploring other materials is all I can add for now.

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Re: Satan ? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5727282 - 06/08/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I like the saying by Too Short, Get in where you fit in. Thats it, I feel like I don't really fit in any particular religion. I've studied the Christian faith and took it on whole heartedly. I've studied Buddha, but quickly lost interest, so I decided to become extremely philosophical, ponder and correlate concepts with our reality, I found this exercise to be mostly pointless, although I had to say that I did derive an inner ability to analyze people and environments on a dimes notice. Such as "silence of the lambs" when Hannibal could sense and read people very quickly. Which makes sense if you continually analyze things globally.

The bible itself has many contradictions such as: Jesus saying continue to seek until you find, but then in proverbs it says don't concern yourself with whats beyond your knowledge, for you have everything you need to know. So which way do I go. This example illustrates the confusion that resides in religious dogma,

To me its about timing, just like the sacred mushroom, if you take it out of context your going to end up with a unfulfilling trip, first accept where you are in life, then plan ahead and prepare yourself before jumping into things, its only beneficial if you can get into that groove, if its not meant to be then don't force it, I think that was a parable that I liked, but the problem then resides what should I be doing, for me I don't even care if its good or bad or whatever as long as its good for me, right now the shroomery seems to have made its impression, but I know I must extend beyond this at some point, when and how is still a question.


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Re: Satan ? [Re: capliberty]
    #5727301 - 06/08/06 03:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"The bible itself has many contradictions such as: Jesus saying continue to seek until you find, but then in proverbs it says don't concern yourself with whats beyond your knowledge, for you have everything you need to know. So which way do I go"

maybe inward?

I don't know... everything is such a riddle.
The noble truths, 8fold path, and the precepts are great. Very simple. They say not to do drugs though (but the wording is intoxicants .... and the focus is heedlessness I think... it's confusing)
but to me it's about experience. if you don't experience transcendence instead of a religion you have morals, and morals don't need superheros attached to them.

So I've experienced by drugs, by dreaming (sort of), and by yoga and tai chi, and by meditation.

So I don't know, might as well at least stick with all the non-drug ones and keep thinking.

It seems like meditation is the direct-est way to "God" though.

jiggy when I have money I will order that book, and a live san pedro cactus assuming my new apartment has adequate light.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Satan ? [Re: leery11]
    #5727373 - 06/08/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Doing medition seems somewhat hard. I tried programming myself to quit smoking pot, and then I achieved breaking the habit for a little while, but I found that I reverted back very easily, but thats using medition to break habits,

Now if I started to make another attempt, I don't know what to be focusing on, and focusing on nothings seems kinda boring, maybe on the so called secret and the "Law of attraction". LOL,


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Re: Satan ? [Re: capliberty]
    #5727408 - 06/08/06 04:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

well meditation is about nothing.

you will just sit and do nothing but what you are doing for a while.

such as consciously breathing each breath... or counting during your exhalations. or focusing on a chakra.

you can't quit weed unless you want to quit weed, if you are trying to hypnotize yourself it means you don't want to quit, but you want to WANT to quit so you are trying to trick yourself into thinking you want to!

i'll tell you how to quit though, go look at a picture of a diseased lung. if you are gonna weed it up you should either vaporize or eat it.

that's the only way man. it's absurd to damage your lungs when you can get a vaporizer for the price of a good bong, and you can cook with the vaporized leftovers so it really gives you like 30% more weed than normal.

i myself have a strong attachment to cannabis. I am really considering going back to it now that I've had a break because I want to use it to guide me in chakra opening (mainly lower chakras since I feel high enough while I'm sober sometimes)

the only issue is if its a hinderance to enlightenment? if it's neutral or positive that's okay. i don't want it to make me spiritually lazy though.

it also makes school more enjoyable, a chill out drug like how some people like to have a few beers.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


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Re: Satan ? [Re: capliberty]
    #5727425 - 06/08/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

every thing changes

your program will fall apart

there is no law except God's and he doesn't follow them

paradox happens


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Re: Satan ? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #5727440 - 06/08/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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God does love the human breed, but they are still his creation, which needs to be perfected, so he throws away those who are screwed up beyond repair by his enemy.

It's like a fight for t-shirts between a mom with a detergent and a messy kid.
The kid runs around making stains on the shirts, the mom runs after him, cleaning the shirts, and throwing away those who can't be cleaned.




Its like cloning marijuana plants, each generation gets weaker, also genocide resides to this day, certain races are viewed inferior and even certain ones almost savage like. Maybe it doesn't happen in the literal sense like Adolf Hitler, but it resides on a subconscious level, the poor and struggling are getting weed out and much of the ghetto populations get thrown behind bars. Reality can be harsh when competing with the so called top geno pools. You have to adapt different tactics to compensate your inferiority to the Alpha male


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Re: Satan ? [Re: capliberty]
    #5727510 - 06/08/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah vaporizers are the shit, the best way to eat it is totally extracting the THC from the bud and making butter, the butter then you can bake with, so you can make brownies, cookies, whatever, with none of the acutal bud but all of the actual THC,. The THC oil is tasty and you get ripped.


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