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The Mind's Eye and Psychedelics
    #5725962 - 06/08/06 07:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is lengthy but interesting so bear with me  :tongue:

"As a metaphor, consider infrared goggles. A person leans on a tree. At night, we don't see the person. Put the goggles on, and a new reality results -- a truer reality -- and we see the man. Similarly, is it possible that our brain is a filter, and the use of DMT is like slipping on infrared goggles, allowing us to perceive a valid reality that is inches away and all around us? "

"DMT in the pineal glands of Biblical prophets gave God to humanity and let ordinary humans perceive parallel universes."

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Pickover/pc/dmt.html

Background info:

The Mind's Eye is a reference to mainly two varying viewpoints: religious and scientific.  Strangely, there are similar ideas in both the religious and scientific standpoints.  This interesting in and of itself as religion and science seem to be one another's contrary most of the time.

First the religious.  The most concrete information on the Third Eye is found in Hinduism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mind's_eye
In synopsis, it is basically the ability for one to reach enlightenment via connection to everything.  This allows for a more omniscient perception of the world and universe.  From reading, it seems a lot like what people here refer to as "ego death" or "ego loss".  I would suppose one would have to loose sense of self for omniscience. So that makes sense.

The scientific world considers the "Third Eye" or "Mind's Eye" synonymous with the pineal gland (This is the gland that naturally produces DMT in the brain when asleep and relaxes the muscles--this is what causes that "falling" feeling whilst falling asleep. It is released in even greater amounts during death).  Interestingly, near-death experiences, those of which many report encounters with entities such as the infamous elves, white light, aliens, etc are associated with the release of high concentrations of DMT into the brain/body by the pineal gland.

More interestingly was the following:

http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Pickover/pc/dmt.html

This article asserts that Jesus/Moses and other Prophets may have had higher DMT levels than normal people.  Therefore, science too seems to point to the idea that DMT is a "spirit molecule". 
There's a book dedicated to such ideas: http://www.rickstrassman.com/ "The Spirit Molecule," by Rick Strassman. I have yet to read this, however.

Well, I figured I'd post this info here since Shrooms are the cousins of DMT (Psilocycin = 4-Phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyl-tryptamine
dimethyl-tryptamine)

Does anyone else think they and similar DMT-containing psychedelics are a means to the Mind's Eye?

And do you think we are possibly interfering in shit we shouldn't be?

Especially interested in the thoughts from those who have experienced ego-death/level 5 trips.  :mushroom2:


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Re: The Mind's Eye and Psychedelics [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #5726041 - 06/08/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

finding concurrent directions and connections is rewarding

please also savor the natural undecidability
with the concurrences and the connections between
any interpenetrating layers that you may wish to bind together

this can be a dynamic and illuminating pursuit,
but it becomes a sticky business if you are too persistent about precise meanings staying put.


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Re: The Mind's Eye and Psychedelics [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5726116 - 06/08/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
this can be a dynamic and illuminating pursuit,
but it becomes a sticky business if you are too persistent about precise meanings staying put.




indeed.

it's likely that your perspective will change as your self changes.

everything is, in fact, impermanent.


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Re: The Mind's Eye and Psychedelics [Re: Mezcal]
    #5726145 - 06/08/06 09:48 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

:-X I myself would never want that. It sounds way too deep and kind of eerie for me. But interesting none the less.

Just interested in what ppl had to say on the topic


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Re: The Mind's Eye and Psychedelics [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #6452425 - 01/12/07 02:36 PM (17 years, 20 days ago)

Quote:

Afroshroomerican said:
Does anyone else think they and similar DMT-containing psychedelics are a means to the Mind's Eye?

And do you think we are possibly interfering in shit we shouldn't be?

Especially interested in the thoughts from those who have experienced ego-death/level 5 trips.  :mushroom2:




i had a similar epiphany after having drank ayhuasca for the very first time. it was an intense experience for me, mostly out of body, i guess what you call level 5. i'm not too sure if there was in fact ego-death, but i figure in order for the trip to be as intense as it was there has to be an abandonment of one's ego.

but yea, after that night my world was turned upside down and most of what i believed was tossed aside in place of this new "DMT reality" i had discovered. it truly opened my mind's eye and exposed to me things that were both horrifying and amazing.

there were times when i felt the presence of others, none but one specifically were hostile, but some were exceedingly intrusive, like i was helplessly lesser in mental capacity to even try and fight it. there were times when i saw things that were too imaginative to be logical, but far too tangible to be a hallucination. i even heard voices, mostly non english (obviously), but one in particular that scared the living hell out of me.

i truly believe there is a great connection between all things scientific and even religious, all things living on this world and all things living elsewhere. i believe that there is a certain amount of chaos in DMT reality, a chaos that most can not overcome or even experience. i believe that in understanding that chaos comes a sort of clarity, a clarity that holds a truth. and it is that truth, i believe, that is the most pertinent thing one can discover.

there is a certain amount of danger, as there is with all voyages, when it comes to DMT reality and even shrooms. one can find himself confused and lost in the torrent of symbols and emotions. it's very easy to become overwhelmed and even destroy one's psyche. i believe that we humans can be seen as trespassers in that world, therefore, we must realize that we are insignificant to those "presences" and at all times insignificant.

but then again, the most logical solution is usally the right one, so all that we experience could be nothing more than chemical reactions that simply open subconscious doors within our own mind. who's to say for sure?


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Re: The Mind's Eye and Psychedelics [Re: cosmos42]
    #6452908 - 01/12/07 04:36 PM (17 years, 20 days ago)

jesus, i just noticed the date on the last post...


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Re: The Mind's Eye and Psychedelics [Re: Afroshroomerican]
    #6453362 - 01/12/07 06:48 PM (17 years, 20 days ago)

"Even dreamscapes can be physical!"
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