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how much does weigh matter?
    #572594 - 03/07/02 04:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

if im 125 and my friend is 250 will he have to take 2x what i take of classic PF? i think i will only need 2g and he thinks he needs 4g.is that right?


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: kaz]
    #575601 - 03/11/02 08:23 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

To make shit more confusing:

Generally weight DOES matter.
If both are averagely sensitive the big guy needs double the dose.
But since an average is just that, be very careful.

I myself weigh over 250lbs and can get completely bowled over by 2 grams of GOOD shrooms. So if you're both new to it and don't know the strenght of your shrooms, I'd say start with a gram each & see after 1 1/2 hours if one of you needs boosting or not. Its better to undershoot than to overshoot your mark.
If you cut 'em up into little pieces & mix those, potency of each gram will be roughly equal.


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: Asante]
    #575884 - 03/11/02 03:06 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

john lilly came up with a formula that involved drug dosage, body mass, brain mass, and spinal cord length...


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: gnrm23]
    #575892 - 03/11/02 03:17 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i remember reading in Leary's _Flashbacks_ some 5 years ago that the full dose of psillocybin ratio for females to males was like 7 pills for the females and 9 for the males, i believe. i'd be guessing that this had to do with body mass, but i ain't certain.....


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: kaz]
    #580532 - 03/16/02 01:20 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

no way, weight almost certainly does not matter. Remember this, when an experienced tripper tells you that it is all in your mind he is absolutely right. a lot of people actually try to hard to trip and just get frusterated when they have come to the end and not been enlightened. You must relax, visualize, become aware of your body, feel the infinite amount of space around you, you must not only visualize but feel what you visualize with your senses, relax, feel your body becoming light, just imagine floating into the night sky with 360 vision. you must become alert in all your senses. alertness!!!!!!!


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: kaz]
    #580577 - 03/16/02 02:49 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Anybody that thinks weight doesn't matter needs to think again. In medicine, almost all drugs dosages are specified in terms of weight... mg/kg or ml/kg. Find me an LD-50 anywhere that isn't in terms of weight.

Your math is correct, 4g to match your 2g both give a ratio of 0.016 mg mushroom / kg bodyweight.

Anybody that doubts this, just think about drinking alcohol. I can get tipsy from a single beer (I am very light, <110lbs), but my friend that is very heavy (>280lbs) can drink a six pack before he starts to feel tipsy. Neither of us drink often so tolerance isn't an issue.


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: Seuss]
    #585595 - 03/21/02 08:38 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

just a small comment on those calculations, you say that they'd both be taking 0.016 mg/kg
That'd be correct assuming the weights he gave you were in kg, but since he didnt say what units, it'd be safe to say he meant pounds.
The weights would then be 114kg and 57 kg, which would give you a dosage of 0.035 mg/kg

(which also could have been found by multiplying the 0.016 by 2.2 (conversion factor))


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: CaffRetro]
    #586634 - 03/22/02 08:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"How much you weigh dosen't matter. It's how many grams of mushrooms you eat that counts." -- I can't believe you're a fucking moderator and you'd say something stupid like that. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCEPT ON HOW THE BODY WORKS?! Why the hell do you think adults need 2x the medacine that kids do? Christ, what a joke. -- Anyways, weight is very important, but because potency of mushrooms is so hard to judge I suggest you start off low and work your way up to higher doses.


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: pharmacopeia]
    #586755 - 03/22/02 11:13 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

well, I'm gonna have to disagree, I dont think weight matters. My friend is 6-8 and 350 lbs. He's experienced and took 3 grams with me and was blown away, while my other friend that weighs 115 at 5-6 was totally fine off the same shrooms at 3 grams too. Just a thought, I have no idea, but I think maybe the psilo goes right to the brain, unlike alcohol where it floats around in the bloodstream mostly where weight would absorb most of it.


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: Papa_Smurf]
    #586831 - 03/23/02 01:04 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Naturally weight isn't _THE_ deciding factor of how you're going to trip, but I assure you it plays a major role and it's not something to just overlook.


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Re: how much does weigh matter? [Re: Papa_Smurf]
    #587890 - 03/24/02 08:48 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

The Psiloc(yb)in of your shrooms, or the E in your XTC for that matter, dissolves into the approx 70% of water your body consists of. This has a weight-related effect on the concentration of drug that your "receptors" will be exposed to.

All receptor-acting drugs I know of have a correlation between the conc + subsequent strenght of Drug effect.

Should everybody be the same exept for weight, mg/kg will always be right on target.

But there are individual differences. If you take the average response some react WAY stronger (have read 5x) or WAY more weakly (also about 5x for Psilo) & some don't react at all. Heavy guys reacting lightly & lightweights reacting more strongly is clearly a case of "Individual Differences".

But when gouging a dose for, say, a newbie several books state that the best guidelines are wt/wt calculations, like mg/kg or mg/lbs, if you keep it consistent.
My best advice regarding newbies: NEVER MORE THAN 1gr SHROOMS THE FIRST TIME & if necessary it may be upped 1 1/2 hours after eating this.


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