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justamonkey
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Introduction to Entheogens, first time long trip
#5725775 - 06/08/06 04:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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At a certain persons house, in what I considered to be the ideal sset and setting, and I have to say, it was great. I would say that by the scale here, I had a trip that registered in the 3-4 range, different elements were evident that existed in each category. What I had exactly, was home grown San Pedro Cactus. Hats off to the guy who owns it, and of coarse, the cactus itself.
Anyway, I was wondering if anyone could try to explain to me the difference between mushrooms and lsd and mescaline. Quality wise. I have only used salvia and mescaline, and felt I had a good experience with each. I started to argue with my experience on the mescaline, but then I just said 'ah fuck it' mentally, and went with whatever. Everything only got better after that. Anyway, whats the difference, or is it a try and see situation?
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kaniz
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Re: Introduction to Entheogens, first time long trip [Re: justamonkey]
#5725842 - 06/08/06 05:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well, having never done Mesc myself (yet), cant really compare the two. But, heres a thread about LSD vs Mushrooms.
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SapphireCat
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Re: Introduction to Entheogens, first time long trip [Re: kaniz]
#5725870 - 06/08/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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personally i couldn't eat enough san pedro to get the full effects. Like it was deffinately noticeable that my thoughts had changed, felt wide awake and just a very clear high. there were also slight colour shifts on white surfaces(this could have been my imagination though)
Shrooms on the other hand your mind is racing and you can get lost in your thoughts without noticing it, all contours are waving and objects pulse away, flashes of colour shine into your eyes, and shine on objects. your thoughts seem to stumble over themselves and you can easily get confused with any task you are currently doing because you start questioning every tiny thing about it.
never had lsd so i can't describe the experience. hope this helps a little.
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Re: Introduction to Entheogens, first time long trip [Re: SapphireCat]
#5726566 - 06/08/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are a lot of differences. Mescaline is easiest on the mind for me. That arguing you noticed? It's much easier to either give in, or even defeat the cactus in an argument. LSD, for me, is slightly more of a challenge. And mushrooms? You just don't talk back to mushrooms, you hear what they have to say, or you feel their wrath. So mentally, for me mushrooms are a bit more of insanity, though very desirable.
As far as the feel of each. Mescaline was more comforting and cozy and humble and reassuring. LSD was more... orgasmic? Electric? Almost energetic, but not being used for that purpose... And mushrooms: queezy, tingly, earthy. Some people find themselves in a negative place because of the strange, foreign body feelings they experience.
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Re: Introduction to Entheogens, first time long trip [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5729978 - 06/09/06 08:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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everything is related to dosage and quality of substance. LSD, mesc., and mushroom (in my overly educated opinion), are virtually the same, allowing for the variance in dosage which translates to the intensity of effects (the layered/or inebriated states of mind) that make the experience different from a normal state of mind.
the main significant difference is that a good strong dose of LSD has no physically toxic effects (tons may argue pointlessly about that, but it is patently true - the body is not taxed by any external poisonous substance with LSD up to and over the strongest doses used).
so mesc and to a lesser extent mushroom will have additional experience effects which are directly and indirectly related to toxicity, like nausea, and cramps, and personal trips that may be associated with physical suffering and transcendence of that while inebriated.
but the main effect, the psychedellic effect is EQUAL, (depending on dosage).
salvia/salvinorin is more like DMT with respect to rapid onset - maximum peak, and rapid comedown to baseline. however, again the psychedellic effect is EQUAL.
since the duration of salvia and DMT is short, the psychonaut has less time to play around, but enjoys less of a committment (timewise) to the inebriated state as well.
every experience itself is unique for each person, and for each situation - set and setting, but the basic psychedelic effects are the same.
traditionally, efforts have been made to communicate the magic states by ceremoniously creating standardized settings and rituals can be applied to standardize mind set as well. IMO the best part of all of that is the idea of trying to communicate and share, to honor the spirit in others.
I am personally not into any MUMBO JUMBO as relates to these cermonies nor rituals, but I do love communicating the ineffable, and I can see that these (rituals etc.) can be terrific vehicles when approched with good attitudes.
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