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Al-Zarkawi bites the dust?
#5725608 - 06/08/06 02:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is it true this time? And more to the point will it make any difference?
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al-Qaida in Iraq who led a bloody campaign of suicide bombings, kidnappings and hostage beheadings, has been killed in a US air raid near Baghdad, Iraq's prime minister said today. Nouri al-Maliki said Al-Zarqawi and seven aides were killed last night in a house 30 miles northeast of Baghdad, in the volatile province of Diyala.
"Today, al-Zarqawi was eliminated," Mr Maliki told a news conference, drawing loud applause from reporters. He was flanked by the US ambassador, Zalmay Khalilzad, and General George Casey, the top US commander in Iraq.
Mr Maliki said the air strike was the result of US forces acting on information provided to Iraqi security forces by local residents.
"Those who disrupt the course of life, like al-Zarqawi, will have a tragic end," he said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,,1792817,00.html
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5725684 - 06/08/06 03:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its true but it wont change a thing. Someone else will take his place.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5725710 - 06/08/06 03:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Interesting how this is announced as the Haditha scandal spreads like wild fire
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5725769 - 06/08/06 04:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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hahahaha
Bye bye motherfucker.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: AaronEvil]
#5725849 - 06/08/06 06:08 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Its true but it wont change a thing. Someone else will take his place.
My fingernails grow, so why clip them?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5725951 - 06/08/06 07:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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because stupid analogies might take over the whole world if you don't.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5725954 - 06/08/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Perhaps it is a way to re-energise the republican base after the failed gay ammendment. I wonder how they go about identifying someone after sed person has been the victim of a bombing raid...
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5725968 - 06/08/06 08:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey maybe everytime the President's approval ratings are low they revive and kill Zarkawi again..... check it out
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Andy21]
#5726021 - 06/08/06 08:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wonder how they go about identifying someone after sed person has been the victim of a bombing raid...
its says they used fingerprints. you know that getting killed by a bomb does not mean you are instantly vaporized, burned completely beyond recognition, blown to a billion peices, or buried under an unmovable pile of rubble, right?
they identify people killed by bombs all the time.
it's credible this time. al-zarqawi is dead. everyone knew the marriage amendment wouldn't pass. it was a political move.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: AaronEvil]
#5726222 - 06/08/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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AaronEvil said: Its true but it wont change a thing. Someone else will take his place.
Its Funny... CNN was reporting Zarqawi was defeating the American military in Iraq 2 days ago. Today his termination means nothing....
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5726297 - 06/08/06 10:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...neocon warmongering and its adjutant human rights violations are already hurting US sales overseas..and with this policy now apparently vindicated..its about to get much worse...and BTW..you can forget about that election this fall.. the fascists have already won...
oil prices tumbled on the news..which refutes any claim that the war is not about oil...
there is still hope..however..that the war can continue without zarqawi...but today is nonetheless a very dark day in future history...
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Annapurna1]
#5726309 - 06/08/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...neocon warmongering and its adjutant human rights violations are already hurting US sales overseas..and with this policy now apparently vindicated..its about to get much worse...and BTW..you can forget about that election this fall.. the fascists have already won...
oil prices tumbled on the news..which refutes any claim that the war is not about oil...
there is still hope..however..that the war can continue without zarqawi...but today is nonetheless a very dark day in future history...
you better be careful, the words you utter are very nearly over the line.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Annapurna1]
#5726313 - 06/08/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Annapurna1 said: there is still hope..however..that the war can continue without zarqawi...but today is nonetheless a very dark day in future history...
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5726339 - 06/08/06 11:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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According to my sources Zarqawi arrived safely in Hell earlier today.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5726355 - 06/08/06 11:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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lonestar2004 said:
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AaronEvil said: Its true but it wont change a thing. Someone else will take his place.
Its Funny... CNN was reporting Zarqawi was defeating the American military in Iraq 2 days ago. Today his termination means nothing....
i seriously doubt that "CNN was reporting Zarqawi was defeating the American military in Iraq" if you mean they reported that things are going badly in iraq, they'd pretty much be right, but i don't even think CNN would say something like that. I'd like to see a quote or a source if they did though.
zarqawi is dead now, and that's good news, and i guarantee you that CNN will report it as a victory for the US, and it will take the focus off the dying soldiers for awhile. Maybe zarqawi's death will have a positive effect in iraq, maybe it won't matter much, and maybe it will add steam to the fanatics martyrdom bullshit. we shall see i guess.
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i wouldnt exactly call more invasions of other countries good news..because thats the only possible result of bush winning in iraq..which he apparently has...
or maybe not ..
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060608/wl_n...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl
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The diversion stories are becoming soooo boring. Once again, it's obvious that George & Company have not even considered that their lies and manipulations, if not so devious and hurtful, would verge on laughable. When you see that little monkey face getting all emotional and patriotic...well, find me a barf bag.
How many carefully timed "conquests" to we have to hear about before the general public realizes that government leaders are playing games with us for nothing more than their own PERSONAL benefit??? This has gone beyond an ego/power trip. I feel we are spiraling into a no-holds barred attitude, getting more and more frenzied as George's days in office shrink. The need to get what they can get while the gettin' is good, and their continued ability to get away with it, is approaching scary.
As far as I'm concerned, there is no credible source of information. Find a media person who is interested in actually reporting the truth, and you'll find a person out of work.
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"i guarantee you that CNN will report it as a victory for the US"
CNN Senior Editor: 'Many' Terror Groups in Iraq are More Powerful Than Zarqawi's Al Qaeda......"Some people say it will enrage the insurgency, others say it will hurt it pretty bad. But if you think about the different groups in Iraq, you have to think that Zarqawi's death is not going to be a big deal for them."
http://newsbusters.org/node/5746
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5726491 - 06/08/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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there is a difference between a editoral and a report.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Vvellum]
#5726535 - 06/08/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5726554 - 06/08/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Iraqi Minutemen have lost a leader:
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The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5726574 - 06/08/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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al-Zarqawi wasnt an Iraqi. He was an outside agitator.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Vvellum]
#5726583 - 06/08/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, I know. Does that mean he and his followers (were any of them Iraqi, I wonder) aren't "insurgents", then?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Vvellum]
#5726669 - 06/08/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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bi0 said: al-Zarqawi wasnt an Iraqi. He was an outside agitator.
But...on who's payroll?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5727029 - 06/08/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does that mean he and his followers (were any of them Iraqi, I wonder) aren't "insurgents", then?
You have to seperate the two. Zarkawi aligned himself with al-qaeda. The bulk of the Iraqi insurgency is about getting the americans out coupled with sectarian violence.
Incidentally it looks like his "followers", as you term them, sold him out to the americans.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5727154 - 06/08/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yep its real, i saw the death photo's its with out a doubt Zarqawi and he's dead, but its come at a time where it means absolutely nothing now. Al Qaeda in Iraq is a dissolved terrorist organization, Zarqawi re-united the local insurgencies and united them in to Mujahadin Shura Council and it was placed under local iraqi leadership.
Zarqawi warmed out his welcome with the Iraqi people, and his own insurgency ratted him out because of it.
The US could call it a victory but ive come to realize that the US is down to the point in Iraq where they need to claim any victory they can, the insurgency will keep escalating no doubt yet people still ignore the elephant in the room.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5727171 - 06/08/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred said: Yes, I know.
1. Micheal Moore (why do you care so much about that guy anyway? you seem to mention him in every thread) said The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win.
2. al-Zarqawi was a Jordanian, an outside agitator.
3. From all indication, al-Zarqawi did not have popular support from the Iraqi people.
4. You said: The Iraqi Minutemen have lost a leader.
So, why do you claim that al-Zarqawi was a leader of the so-called "Iraqi Minutemen"?
You're not making much sense.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5727174 - 06/08/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hooray! The war on terror is over! We can all go home now.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Silversoul]
#5727468 - 06/08/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey you guys! I think we made a terrible mistake! I think maybe we killed Pavarotti : Pavarotti The guy we killed =
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Andy21]
#5727867 - 06/08/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol
I'm a little confused. But the MASS MEDIA does confuse me sometimes.
From a news article:
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda chief in Iraq blamed for countless bombings and assassinations, has been killed in a US air strike [along with countless civilian lives no doubt].
Mr Downer has welcomed the Jordanian-born militant's demise, describing him as a brutal killer and an evil genius who had the blood of thousands of Iraqis on his hands.
>>>>> Is Downer talking about Bush here or al-Zarqawi? Forgive my slow mind, I do become confused sometimes.
"To find somebody who has been as inspirational to them, and who has been such a brilliant organiser of terrorism and cruelty - has also been, by the way, a mastermind of manipulating media and endeavouring to manipulate public opinion around the world - for him to be dead, that's a very important step forward," Mr Downer told ABC radio.
>> Hang on?!?!?!? Are we talking about Bush here again?!?!?? Did Bush die??? Must be me. I ... DO ... get confused sometimes.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Ngalyod]
#5727920 - 06/08/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So to you there is absolutely no difference between a military trained to avoid civilian casualties and someone who straps bombs containing bolts and nails to people, deliberately sending them into hotels and markets to shred up as many innocent men, women, and children as possible, then gloats about it?
Its obviously your political leanings coming through but its still kinda fucked up that you perceive this event in that light.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Andy21]
#5728019 - 06/08/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Andy21 said: Hey you guys! I think we made a terrible mistake! I think maybe we killed Pavarotti : Pavarotti The guy we killed =
Hahaha
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Catalysis]
#5728078 - 06/08/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you say so. Personally, I try and keep the bigger picture in perspective.
And that allows me to avoid the fallacy of drawing any distinction between the two. Both sides of the same coin sort of thing.
I refuse to take any sides, just because the media tells me one side is evil and the other is good, when both are clearly as bad as one another and share equally in the blame and evil they are spreading.
That's just the way I see it man. I hope you can understand.
And that's why when I hear or see things like that article in the media, which is clearly stating, "We are good an righteous and our hands are clean and THEY are evil and we are fighting the evil," I often attempt to illustrate that I can't see any difference between the terrorists and what the US government is doing.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Catalysis]
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Catalysis said: So to you there is absolutely no difference between a military trained to avoid civilian casualties and someone who straps bombs containing bolts and nails to people, deliberately sending them into hotels and markets to shred up as many innocent men, women, and children as possible, then gloats about it?
FROM THE INDEPENDANT
At least 16 civilians were killed in air strikes by American-led forces on a village near Kandahar in Afghanistan yesterday. A US military spokesmen said a Taliban compound had been targeted but survivors from the village said civilian houses were bombed.
It was impossible to confirm what happened after Afghan police and foreign troops cordoned off the village of Azizi, 30 miles south-west of Kandahar. It is the latest in a series of incidents in Afghanistan in which civilians have died in US air strikes on villages. It appears clear that Taliban insurgents were present in the village. US forces claimed as many as 80 Taliban fighters may have been killed in the air strikes, but said they had only verified 20 Taliban deaths. The Taliban confirmed the fighting but denied they had suffered any casualties. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Maybe they need to train some more.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Basilides]
#5728518 - 06/08/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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only an ass would think this actually matters in the long run. it will not change one thing
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Ngalyod]
#5728641 - 06/08/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ngalyod said:
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Catalysis said: So to you there is absolutely no difference between a military trained to avoid civilian casualties and someone who straps bombs containing bolts and nails to people, deliberately sending them into hotels and markets to shred up as many innocent men, women, and children as possible, then gloats about it?
FROM THE INDEPENDANT
At least 16 civilians were killed in air strikes by American-led forces on a village near Kandahar in Afghanistan yesterday. A US military spokesmen said a Taliban compound had been targeted but survivors from the village said civilian houses were bombed.
It was impossible to confirm what happened after Afghan police and foreign troops cordoned off the village of Azizi, 30 miles south-west of Kandahar. It is the latest in a series of incidents in Afghanistan in which civilians have died in US air strikes on villages. It appears clear that Taliban insurgents were present in the village. US forces claimed as many as 80 Taliban fighters may have been killed in the air strikes, but said they had only verified 20 Taliban deaths. The Taliban confirmed the fighting but denied they had suffered any casualties. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Maybe they need to train some more.
Exactly my point, they had a military target. On sunday, Zarkawi's crew in Diyala dragged 20 people, including some students and elderly, off a bus, seperated the shiites out and executed them all on the spot. It looks like they don't need any more training to do what they set out to do. But hey, you still have Haditha. As someone at Daily Kos said, "keep your eyes on the prize".
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5728909 - 06/08/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's good that we finally got him, but unfortunately we got him at a point where he was on the downward slope in terms of influence. This would have been much bigger of an achievement a few years ago.
I just wonder who will step into his position.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Basilides]
#5728961 - 06/08/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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basilades says:
Interesting how this is announced as the Haditha scandal spreads like wild fire
andy21 says:
Perhaps it is a way to re-energise the republican base after the failed gay ammendment.
annapurna1 says:
not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...
ok.... 2 possibilities:
1. residents of baquba provided iraqi security forces with a tip as to al-zarqawi's location. this information was passed on to american forces, who then killed al-zarqawi with an airstrike.
2. republicans/neocons/the bush administration keep surveillance on major players in al-qaeda, like al-zarqawi, and when things aren't going so good for military pr, republican legislation, or the economy, they give the go ahead to their underlings in the military to kill one of the bad guys to distract the public and boost their popularity.
come on guys...
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It of course means nothing, I mean, the guy barely knew how to operate an assault rifle. He's simply a face on the top of an organizational pyramid that can easily be replaced. But I'm glad he's dead. He better hope for God's mercy on the other side, because that scumbag has the blood of thousands on his hands. Hopefully he won't become some kind of Che Guevara figure in the Muslim world.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Andy21]
#5728986 - 06/08/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is that pic of the dead guy matted and put into a frame?
Ill bet that Bush hangs that one in the oval office.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: wilshire]
#5729125 - 06/09/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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ok.... 2 possibilities:
Well there's quite a few more than two.
1. residents of baquba provided iraqi security forces with a tip as to al-zarqawi's location. this information was passed on to american forces, who then killed al-zarqawi with an airstrike.
I think the likelihood of this is nil. Where did you get this story from? The US military themselves say it came after information from "senior members of zarqawi's group". Which sure makes you wonder who got the 25 million.
. republicans/neocons/the bush administration keep surveillance on major players in al-qaeda, like al-zarqawi, and when things aren't going so good for military pr, republican legislation, or the economy, they give the go ahead to their underlings in the military to kill one of the bad guys to distract the public and boost their popularity.
To be honest the idea of this isn't so unlikely. The Iraqi government begins a couple of weeks ago and this week they have a big propaganda coup by killing zarqawi? Sounds like an awfully big coincidence to me. It could be just coincidence but with a war that's been based on lies since the beginning it's always a good idea to question everything we are told.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5729237 - 06/09/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Interesting take from Brigadier General Kimmet:
No sooner was Saddam captured than the US spokesmen began to mention Zarqawi's name in every sentence. "If the weather is bad they will blame it on Zarqawi," an Iraqi journalist once said to me. It emerged earlier this year that the US emphasis on Zarqawi as the prime leader of the Iraqi resistance was part of a carefully calculated propaganda programme. A dubious letter from Zarqawi was conveniently discovered. One internal briefing document quoted by The Washington Post records Brigadier General Kimmitt, the chief US military spokesman at the time, as saying: "The Zarqawi psy-op programme is the most successful information campaign to date." The US campaign was largely geared towards the American public and above all the American voter. It was geared to proving that the invasion of Iraq was a reasonable response to the 9/11 attacks. This meant it was necessary to show al-Qa'ida was strong in Iraq and play down the fact that this had only happened after the invasion.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article753708.ece
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5729363 - 06/09/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
with a war that's been based on lies since the beginning it's always a good idea to question everything we are told.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: RosettaStoned]
#5729468 - 06/09/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The news reports say that somebody within Zarqawi's network betrayed him. The reports also say that this person will be paid the bounty that was out on Zarqawi. Is anybody worried about that $25 million being pumped right back into the insurgency?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5729696 - 06/09/06 05:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I heard another story this morning - says that a couple of days ago the americans caught 3 members of zarkawi's group and have had them strung up by the balls ever since and they were the ones who gave him up.
I think someone wanting the 25 million makes more sense at the moment.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5729898 - 06/09/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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> Is anybody worried about that $25 million being pumped right back into the insurgency?
If somebody is getting a reward, they are probably getting a free relocation to another part of the world as well.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5730118 - 06/09/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Where did you get this story from?
i read it from the guardian story you posted:
"Mr Maliki said the air strike was the result of US forces acting on information provided to Iraqi security forces by local residents."
i know there are a lot of possibilities as to how the strike actually went down. my point is that it's probably a lot more mundane than a secret conspiracy between republicans and military leaders to closely monitor important terrorist agents - but not doing anything - so that they may be killed or captured when ratings need a boost.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: wilshire]
#5730130 - 06/09/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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HA HA no reward.........
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/06/captured_zarqaw.html
Captured Zarqawi Aide Spilled the Beans June 09, 2006 11:08 AM
Alexis Debat Reports:
An Iraqi customs agent secretly working with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's terror cell spilled the beans on the group after he was arrested, Jordanian officials tell ABC News.
Ziad Khalaf Raja al-Karbouly was arrested by Jordanian intelligence forces last spring.
Officials say Karbouly confessed to his role in the terror cell and provided crucial information on the names of Zarqawi commanders and locations of their safe houses.
Karbouly also admitted to his role in the kidnappings of two Moroccan embassy employees, four Iraqi National Guards and an Iraqi finance ministry official.
In a videotaped confession, Karbouly said he acted on direct orders from Zarqawi.
Officials say he will not be eligible for any of the $25 million reward money.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: SirTripAlot]
#5730362 - 06/09/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Wouldn't the information that nailed him have to have been more up to date than last spring?
Surely when a high ranking member gets caught you switch all your safehouses anyway?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5730593 - 06/09/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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> Wouldn't the information that nailed him have to have been more up to date than last spring?
You have never worked for the government, have you? Trust me when I say "slow" is normal. All joking aside, a few things to think about. Some may be reaching...
1) How long did it take Jordan to "break" the guy. It only says he was arrested last spring, not that he spilled the beans last spring.
2) How long would it take Jordan to inform the US. Probably not very long.
3) Jordan may take longer before they share information if they want to try and verify the accuracy first. Especially had the guy been telling lots of lies, as he is trained, during... interrogation.
4) How long would it take the US to verify the information as accurate?
4a) How many lies are mixed in with the truths?
5) How long do you have to wait for al-Zarqawi to appear at the places you choose to watch.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5731541 - 06/09/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: The news reports say that somebody within Zarqawi's network betrayed him. The reports also say that this person will be paid the bounty that was out on Zarqawi. Is anybody worried about that $25 million being pumped right back into the insurgency?
I suspect this particular individual will receive the award on the basis that he lives in exile in a third party country for the rest of his life.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Seuss]
#5732947 - 06/10/06 01:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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How long did it take Jordan to "break" the guy. It only says he was arrested last spring, not that he spilled the beans last spring.
I don't know how it works in Iraq but in Andy Mcnabs book "Bravo Two Zero" he says even SAS men are only expected to hold out during interrogation for 1-3 days. Then everyone assumes they've been broken and talked. Surely zarkawi would have some idea the guy had been arrested and that it would be sensible to change safehouses.
The latest story I've heard is that the video zarkawi released in April gave the game away because someone recognised the landscape in the background.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: wilshire]
#5733397 - 06/10/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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wilshire said: Where did you get this story from?
i read it from the guardian story you posted:
"Mr Maliki said the air strike was the result of US forces acting on information provided to Iraqi security forces by local residents."
i know there are a lot of possibilities as to how the strike actually went down. my point is that it's probably a lot more mundane than a secret conspiracy between republicans and military leaders to closely monitor important terrorist agents - but not doing anything - so that they may be killed or captured when ratings need a boost.
You've been here long enough that you should know Alpo doesn't read what he posts as long as he thinks it'll make Bush or the US look bad.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5746147 - 06/13/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Democrats Vow to Fight On After Zarqawi Loss by Scott Ott
(2006-06-09) — As Blackberry devices and cell phones on Capitol Hill hummed with news of the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi yesterday, Congressional Democrats vowed that despite the loss they would fight on in “the war on the war on terror.”
“Zarqawi will be missed because he put a human face on the futility of the illegal U.S. occupation of Iraq,” said one unnamed lawmaker, who assured a reporter that “Democrats are still optimistic. We’re still looking for the silver lining.”
Rep. John Murtha, D-PA, a former Marine and vocal critic of the military occupation of Iraq, immediately denounced “the Zarqawi massacre” and suggested that the F-16 pilot who dropped the bombs had snapped under pressure and murdered the al Qaeda leader “in cold blood.”
Sen. Arlen Specter, R-PA, demanded an explanation of the secret intelligence gathering techniques and surveillance used to find Mr. Zarqawi.
“I want to give the president an opportunity to explain the program to the Congress and to assure the American people that nobody’s civil rights were violated,” said Sen. Specter.
Meanwhile, Democrat National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and former presidential candidate Al Gore observed a moment of silence as they heard of the passing of Mr. Zarqawi, a fellow Internet pioneer.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5746165 - 06/13/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is it just me, or is Scrappleface not funny?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Silversoul]
#5746217 - 06/13/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Silversoul said: Is it just me, or is Scrappleface not funny?
They are just trying to cleverly equate people against the war in Iraq as if they support the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq. Isnt it Ironic how history repeats itself.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5746557 - 06/13/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Zarqawi will be missed because he put a human face on the futility of the illegal U.S. occupation of Iraq,”
That was good satire, the rest of it was reality....
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Silversoul said: Is it just me, or is Scrappleface not funny?
It's you.Quote:
They are just trying to cleverly equate people against the war in Iraq as if they support the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq. Isnt it Ironic how history repeats itself.
Well we have some bits of brilliance from this thread alone.
basilades says:
Interesting how this is announced as the Haditha scandal spreads like wild fire
andy21 says:
Perhaps it is a way to re-energise the republican base after the failed gay ammendment.
annapurna1 says:
not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...
And then we have the entire gem from annapurna:Quote:
"not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...neocon warmongering and its adjutant human rights violations are already hurting US sales overseas..and with this policy now apparently vindicated..its about to get much worse...and BTW..you can forget about that election this fall.. the fascists have already won...
oil prices tumbled on the news..which refutes any claim that the war is not about oil...
there is still hope..however..that the war can continue without zarqawi...but today is nonetheless a very dark day in future history...
Scrappleface is not only funny but mostly spot on. But they couldn't do it without a ready source of buffoons eager to put their feet in their mouths and show their true colors.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5747717 - 06/13/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fucking Priceless.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: zappaisgod]
#5747822 - 06/13/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Once again its just a vast generalization, how ever saying this would be the pot calling the kettle black. I dont like the spendacrats or the repiglicans so ill opt out of this comparison.
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