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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: wilshire]
    #5729125 - 06/09/06 12:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ok.... 2 possibilities:


Well there's quite a few more than two.

1. residents of baquba provided iraqi security forces with a tip as to al-zarqawi's location. this information was passed on to american forces, who then killed al-zarqawi with an airstrike.


I think the likelihood of this is nil. Where did you get this story from? The US military themselves say it came after information from "senior members of zarqawi's group". Which sure makes you wonder who got the 25 million.

. republicans/neocons/the bush administration keep surveillance on major players in al-qaeda, like al-zarqawi, and when things aren't going so good for military pr, republican legislation, or the economy, they give the go ahead to their underlings in the military to kill one of the bad guys to distract the public and boost their popularity.


To be honest the idea of this isn't so unlikely. The Iraqi government begins a couple of weeks ago and this week they have a big propaganda coup by killing zarqawi? Sounds like an awfully big coincidence to me. It could be just coincidence but with a war that's been based on lies since the beginning it's always a good idea to question everything we are told.

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
    #5729237 - 06/09/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Interesting take from Brigadier General Kimmet:

No sooner was Saddam captured than the US spokesmen began to mention Zarqawi's name in every sentence. "If the weather is bad they will blame it on Zarqawi," an Iraqi journalist once said to me. It emerged earlier this year that the US emphasis on Zarqawi as the prime leader of the Iraqi resistance was part of a carefully calculated propaganda programme. A dubious letter from Zarqawi was conveniently discovered. One internal briefing document quoted by The Washington Post records Brigadier General Kimmitt, the chief US military spokesman at the time, as saying: "The Zarqawi psy-op programme is the most successful information campaign to date." The US campaign was largely geared towards the American public and above all the American voter. It was geared to proving that the invasion of Iraq was a reasonable response to the 9/11 attacks. This meant it was necessary to show al-Qa'ida was strong in Iraq and play down the fact that this had only happened after the invasion.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article753708.ece

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
    #5729363 - 06/09/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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with a war that's been based on lies since the beginning it's always a good idea to question everything we are told.




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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5729468 - 06/09/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The news reports say that somebody within Zarqawi's network betrayed him. The reports also say that this person will be paid the bounty that was out on Zarqawi. Is anybody worried about that $25 million being pumped right back into the insurgency?

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5729696 - 06/09/06 05:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I heard another story this morning - says that a couple of days ago the americans caught 3 members of zarkawi's group and have had them strung up by the balls ever since and they were the ones who gave him up.

I think someone wanting the 25 million makes more sense at the moment.

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
    #5729898 - 06/09/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> Is anybody worried about that $25 million being pumped right back into the insurgency?

If somebody is getting a reward, they are probably getting a free relocation to another part of the world as well.


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
    #5730118 - 06/09/06 10:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Where did you get this story from?

i read it from the guardian story you posted:

"Mr Maliki said the air strike was the result of US forces acting on information provided to Iraqi security forces by local residents."

i know there are a lot of possibilities as to how the strike actually went down. my point is that it's probably a lot more mundane than a secret conspiracy between republicans and military leaders to closely monitor important terrorist agents - but not doing anything - so that they may be killed or captured when ratings need a boost.


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: wilshire]
    #5730130 - 06/09/06 10:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

HA HA no reward.........

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/06/captured_zarqaw.html

Captured Zarqawi Aide Spilled the Beans
June 09, 2006 11:08 AM

Alexis Debat Reports:

An Iraqi customs agent secretly working with Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's terror cell spilled the beans on the group after he was arrested, Jordanian officials tell ABC News.

Ziad Khalaf Raja al-Karbouly was arrested by Jordanian intelligence forces last spring.

Officials say Karbouly confessed to his role in the terror cell and provided crucial information on the names of Zarqawi commanders and locations of their safe houses.

Karbouly also admitted to his role in the kidnappings of two Moroccan embassy employees, four Iraqi National Guards and an Iraqi finance ministry official.

In a videotaped confession, Karbouly said he acted on direct orders from Zarqawi.

Officials say he will not be eligible for any of the $25 million reward money.


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5730362 - 06/09/06 11:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wouldn't the information that nailed him have to have been more up to date than last spring?

Surely when a high ranking member gets caught you switch all your safehouses anyway?

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
    #5730593 - 06/09/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> Wouldn't the information that nailed him have to have been more up to date than last spring?

You have never worked for the government, have you? Trust me when I say "slow" is normal. All joking aside, a few things to think about. Some may be reaching...

1) How long did it take Jordan to "break" the guy. It only says he was arrested last spring, not that he spilled the beans last spring.

2) How long would it take Jordan to inform the US. Probably not very long.

3) Jordan may take longer before they share information if they want to try and verify the accuracy first. Especially had the guy been telling lots of lies, as he is trained, during... interrogation.

4) How long would it take the US to verify the information as accurate?

4a) How many lies are mixed in with the truths?

5) How long do you have to wait for al-Zarqawi to appear at the places you choose to watch.

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #5731541 - 06/09/06 05:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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RandalFlagg said:
The news reports say that somebody within Zarqawi's network betrayed him. The reports also say that this person will be paid the bounty that was out on Zarqawi. Is anybody worried about that $25 million being pumped right back into the insurgency?




I suspect this particular individual will receive the award on the basis that he lives in exile in a third party country for the rest of his life.


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Seuss]
    #5732947 - 06/10/06 01:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

How long did it take Jordan to "break" the guy. It only says he was arrested last spring, not that he spilled the beans last spring.


I don't know how it works in Iraq but in Andy Mcnabs book "Bravo Two Zero" he says even SAS men are only expected to hold out during interrogation for 1-3 days. Then everyone assumes they've been broken and talked. Surely zarkawi would have some idea the guy had been arrested and that it would be sensible to change safehouses.

The latest story I've heard is that the video zarkawi released in April gave the game away because someone recognised the landscape in the background.

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: wilshire]
    #5733397 - 06/10/06 07:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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wilshire said:
Where did you get this story from?

i read it from the guardian story you posted:

"Mr Maliki said the air strike was the result of US forces acting on information provided to Iraqi security forces by local residents."

i know there are a lot of possibilities as to how the strike actually went down. my point is that it's probably a lot more mundane than a secret conspiracy between republicans and military leaders to closely monitor important terrorist agents - but not doing anything - so that they may be killed or captured when ratings need a boost.



You've been here long enough that you should know Alpo doesn't read what he posts as long as he thinks it'll make Bush or the US look bad.


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5746147 - 06/13/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Democrats Vow to Fight On After Zarqawi Loss
by Scott Ott

(2006-06-09) — As Blackberry devices and cell phones on Capitol Hill hummed with news of the death of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi yesterday, Congressional Democrats vowed that despite the loss they would fight on in “the war on the war on terror.”

“Zarqawi will be missed because he put a human face on the futility of the illegal U.S. occupation of Iraq,” said one unnamed lawmaker, who assured a reporter that “Democrats are still optimistic. We’re still looking for the silver lining.”

Rep. John Murtha, D-PA, a former Marine and vocal critic of the military occupation of Iraq, immediately denounced “the Zarqawi massacre” and suggested that the F-16 pilot who dropped the bombs had snapped under pressure and murdered the al Qaeda leader “in cold blood.”

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-PA, demanded an explanation of the secret intelligence gathering techniques and surveillance used to find Mr. Zarqawi.

“I want to give the president an opportunity to explain the program to the Congress and to assure the American people that nobody’s civil rights were violated,” said Sen. Specter.

Meanwhile, Democrat National Committee Chairman Howard Dean and former presidential candidate Al Gore observed a moment of silence as they heard of the passing of Mr. Zarqawi, a fellow Internet pioneer.

http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2278



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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
    #5746165 - 06/13/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Is it just me, or is Scrappleface not funny?


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Silversoul]
    #5746217 - 06/13/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Is it just me, or is Scrappleface not funny?




They are just trying to cleverly equate people against the war in Iraq as if they support the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq. Isnt it Ironic how history repeats itself.

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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
    #5746557 - 06/13/06 05:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"Zarqawi will be missed because he put a human face on the futility of the illegal U.S. occupation of Iraq,”

That was good satire, the rest of it was reality....


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5746634 - 06/13/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

The_Red_Crayon said:
Quote:

Silversoul said:
Is it just me, or is Scrappleface not funny?







It's you.
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They are just trying to cleverly equate people against the war in Iraq as if they support the terrorists and insurgents in Iraq. Isnt it Ironic how history repeats itself.




Well we have some bits of brilliance from this thread alone.

basilades says:

Interesting how this is announced as the Haditha scandal spreads like wild fire

andy21 says:


Perhaps it is a way to re-energise the republican base after the failed gay ammendment.

annapurna1 says:

not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...

And then we have the entire gem from annapurna:
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"not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...neocon warmongering and its adjutant human rights violations are already hurting US sales overseas..and with this policy now apparently vindicated..its about to get much worse...and BTW..you can forget about that election this fall.. the fascists have already won...

oil prices tumbled on the news..which refutes any claim that the war is not about oil...

there is still hope..however..that the war can continue without zarqawi...but today is nonetheless a very dark day in future history...




Scrappleface is not only funny but mostly spot on. But they couldn't do it without a ready source of buffoons eager to put their feet in their mouths and show their true colors.


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5747717 - 06/13/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Fucking Priceless.


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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #5747822 - 06/13/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Once again its just a vast generalization, how ever saying this would be the pot calling the kettle black. I dont like the spendacrats or the repiglicans so ill opt out of this comparison.

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