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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: lonestar2004]
#5726554 - 06/08/06 12:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Iraqi Minutemen have lost a leader:
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The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5726574 - 06/08/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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al-Zarqawi wasnt an Iraqi. He was an outside agitator.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Vvellum]
#5726583 - 06/08/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, I know. Does that mean he and his followers (were any of them Iraqi, I wonder) aren't "insurgents", then?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Vvellum]
#5726669 - 06/08/06 01:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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bi0 said: al-Zarqawi wasnt an Iraqi. He was an outside agitator.
But...on who's payroll?
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5727029 - 06/08/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does that mean he and his followers (were any of them Iraqi, I wonder) aren't "insurgents", then?
You have to seperate the two. Zarkawi aligned himself with al-qaeda. The bulk of the Iraqi insurgency is about getting the americans out coupled with sectarian violence.
Incidentally it looks like his "followers", as you term them, sold him out to the americans.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5727154 - 06/08/06 03:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yep its real, i saw the death photo's its with out a doubt Zarqawi and he's dead, but its come at a time where it means absolutely nothing now. Al Qaeda in Iraq is a dissolved terrorist organization, Zarqawi re-united the local insurgencies and united them in to Mujahadin Shura Council and it was placed under local iraqi leadership.
Zarqawi warmed out his welcome with the Iraqi people, and his own insurgency ratted him out because of it.
The US could call it a victory but ive come to realize that the US is down to the point in Iraq where they need to claim any victory they can, the insurgency will keep escalating no doubt yet people still ignore the elephant in the room.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Phred]
#5727171 - 06/08/06 03:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred said: Yes, I know.
1. Micheal Moore (why do you care so much about that guy anyway? you seem to mention him in every thread) said The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win.
2. al-Zarqawi was a Jordanian, an outside agitator.
3. From all indication, al-Zarqawi did not have popular support from the Iraqi people.
4. You said: The Iraqi Minutemen have lost a leader.
So, why do you claim that al-Zarqawi was a leader of the so-called "Iraqi Minutemen"?
You're not making much sense.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5727174 - 06/08/06 03:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hooray! The war on terror is over! We can all go home now.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Silversoul]
#5727468 - 06/08/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey you guys! I think we made a terrible mistake! I think maybe we killed Pavarotti : Pavarotti The guy we killed =
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Andy21]
#5727867 - 06/08/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol
I'm a little confused. But the MASS MEDIA does confuse me sometimes.
From a news article:
Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the al-Qaeda chief in Iraq blamed for countless bombings and assassinations, has been killed in a US air strike [along with countless civilian lives no doubt].
Mr Downer has welcomed the Jordanian-born militant's demise, describing him as a brutal killer and an evil genius who had the blood of thousands of Iraqis on his hands.
>>>>> Is Downer talking about Bush here or al-Zarqawi? Forgive my slow mind, I do become confused sometimes.
"To find somebody who has been as inspirational to them, and who has been such a brilliant organiser of terrorism and cruelty - has also been, by the way, a mastermind of manipulating media and endeavouring to manipulate public opinion around the world - for him to be dead, that's a very important step forward," Mr Downer told ABC radio.
>> Hang on?!?!?!? Are we talking about Bush here again?!?!?? Did Bush die??? Must be me. I ... DO ... get confused sometimes.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Ngalyod]
#5727920 - 06/08/06 06:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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So to you there is absolutely no difference between a military trained to avoid civilian casualties and someone who straps bombs containing bolts and nails to people, deliberately sending them into hotels and markets to shred up as many innocent men, women, and children as possible, then gloats about it?
Its obviously your political leanings coming through but its still kinda fucked up that you perceive this event in that light.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Andy21]
#5728019 - 06/08/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Andy21 said: Hey you guys! I think we made a terrible mistake! I think maybe we killed Pavarotti : Pavarotti The guy we killed =
Hahaha
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Catalysis]
#5728078 - 06/08/06 07:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you say so. Personally, I try and keep the bigger picture in perspective.
And that allows me to avoid the fallacy of drawing any distinction between the two. Both sides of the same coin sort of thing.
I refuse to take any sides, just because the media tells me one side is evil and the other is good, when both are clearly as bad as one another and share equally in the blame and evil they are spreading.
That's just the way I see it man. I hope you can understand.
And that's why when I hear or see things like that article in the media, which is clearly stating, "We are good an righteous and our hands are clean and THEY are evil and we are fighting the evil," I often attempt to illustrate that I can't see any difference between the terrorists and what the US government is doing.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Catalysis]
#5728090 - 06/08/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Catalysis said: So to you there is absolutely no difference between a military trained to avoid civilian casualties and someone who straps bombs containing bolts and nails to people, deliberately sending them into hotels and markets to shred up as many innocent men, women, and children as possible, then gloats about it?
FROM THE INDEPENDANT
At least 16 civilians were killed in air strikes by American-led forces on a village near Kandahar in Afghanistan yesterday. A US military spokesmen said a Taliban compound had been targeted but survivors from the village said civilian houses were bombed.
It was impossible to confirm what happened after Afghan police and foreign troops cordoned off the village of Azizi, 30 miles south-west of Kandahar. It is the latest in a series of incidents in Afghanistan in which civilians have died in US air strikes on villages. It appears clear that Taliban insurgents were present in the village. US forces claimed as many as 80 Taliban fighters may have been killed in the air strikes, but said they had only verified 20 Taliban deaths. The Taliban confirmed the fighting but denied they had suffered any casualties. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Maybe they need to train some more.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Basilides]
#5728518 - 06/08/06 09:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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only an ass would think this actually matters in the long run. it will not change one thing
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Ngalyod]
#5728641 - 06/08/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ngalyod said:
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Catalysis said: So to you there is absolutely no difference between a military trained to avoid civilian casualties and someone who straps bombs containing bolts and nails to people, deliberately sending them into hotels and markets to shred up as many innocent men, women, and children as possible, then gloats about it?
FROM THE INDEPENDANT
At least 16 civilians were killed in air strikes by American-led forces on a village near Kandahar in Afghanistan yesterday. A US military spokesmen said a Taliban compound had been targeted but survivors from the village said civilian houses were bombed.
It was impossible to confirm what happened after Afghan police and foreign troops cordoned off the village of Azizi, 30 miles south-west of Kandahar. It is the latest in a series of incidents in Afghanistan in which civilians have died in US air strikes on villages. It appears clear that Taliban insurgents were present in the village. US forces claimed as many as 80 Taliban fighters may have been killed in the air strikes, but said they had only verified 20 Taliban deaths. The Taliban confirmed the fighting but denied they had suffered any casualties. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Maybe they need to train some more.
Exactly my point, they had a military target. On sunday, Zarkawi's crew in Diyala dragged 20 people, including some students and elderly, off a bus, seperated the shiites out and executed them all on the spot. It looks like they don't need any more training to do what they set out to do. But hey, you still have Haditha. As someone at Daily Kos said, "keep your eyes on the prize".
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Alex213]
#5728909 - 06/08/06 10:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's good that we finally got him, but unfortunately we got him at a point where he was on the downward slope in terms of influence. This would have been much bigger of an achievement a few years ago.
I just wonder who will step into his position.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Basilides]
#5728961 - 06/08/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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basilades says:
Interesting how this is announced as the Haditha scandal spreads like wild fire
andy21 says:
Perhaps it is a way to re-energise the republican base after the failed gay ammendment.
annapurna1 says:
not surprisingly..the dow is down >100 pts as im typing this...
ok.... 2 possibilities:
1. residents of baquba provided iraqi security forces with a tip as to al-zarqawi's location. this information was passed on to american forces, who then killed al-zarqawi with an airstrike.
2. republicans/neocons/the bush administration keep surveillance on major players in al-qaeda, like al-zarqawi, and when things aren't going so good for military pr, republican legislation, or the economy, they give the go ahead to their underlings in the military to kill one of the bad guys to distract the public and boost their popularity.
come on guys...
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It of course means nothing, I mean, the guy barely knew how to operate an assault rifle. He's simply a face on the top of an organizational pyramid that can easily be replaced. But I'm glad he's dead. He better hope for God's mercy on the other side, because that scumbag has the blood of thousands on his hands. Hopefully he won't become some kind of Che Guevara figure in the Muslim world.
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Re: Al-Zarkawi bites the dust? [Re: Andy21]
#5728986 - 06/08/06 11:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Andy21 said: Hey you guys! I think we made a terrible mistake! I think maybe we killed Pavarotti : Pavarotti The guy we killed =
Is that pic of the dead guy matted and put into a frame?
Ill bet that Bush hangs that one in the oval office.
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