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blind_injustice
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Gold Tops, allmost certain this time!
#5724207 - 06/07/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, so i think i am finally onto some winners, these were found in light fern/gum tree/damp soil in Gippsland, Victoria, Australia.
There seems to be two different types, but i know that the more mature ones are starting to die and dry out, so the other 4 could just be younger versions.

Older ones

younger ones

Top of younger ones.

top of older ones.
Gills on older ones, they appear "wavy"

Gills on younger ones.

As you can see, both the younger, and older ones have a slight blue tinge to them.

************************************************************ this is just a cool looking white one i saw, i have never seen such a pure white in a shroom! GORGEOUS!



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blind_injustice
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5724224 - 06/07/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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PS: I am doing a spore test ATM
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5724276 - 06/07/06 08:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Congrats you do indeed have some goldtops there. 
BUT - I am only sure on some of them. Those in the top photo look like they might be something else - so spore print them. Pay particular attention to the fourth from the right in the top photo - I THINK this IS most likely a goldtop too. Its hard to be certain on the old ones, so get spore printing right away, as they might be past it.
Onto the second photo - the thin skinny one in the middle looks a bit suspect, and so does the one on the very right of the photo. The rest in the pic are GT's.
Get spore printing so you can be certain and perhaps start some bruising so you get an idea of how these puppies work.
Good job! Isnt hunting fun?
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5724310 - 06/07/06 08:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I take it gold tops are active? what is the spore color suposed to be?
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: Psy Baba]
#5724382 - 06/07/06 08:41 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What the hell his a goldtop? Genus? species?
Those dont look like any actives I know of and many of them I know of.
I always thought "goldtop" was slang for cubensis.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: doodoomaster]
#5724409 - 06/07/06 08:45 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Feelers, if you look in the 3rd picture. the one that you were suspect on has a REALLY blue stem, thats why i thought it could actually be the most active.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5724458 - 06/07/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Since both Blind_justice and myself are "Down Unda" the term goldtops is reffering to Psilocybe Subaeruginosa, which is very much active!  Spore print is a dark purple/brown.
Supposedly up there with Azures, Bluemeanie is having them tested at the moment.
Blind_justice - most people here on the shroomery usually call them "subs", just to avoid confusion as Americans call Psilocybe Cubensis "goldtops".
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Feelers, if you look in the 3rd picture. the one that you were suspect on has a REALLY blue stem, thats why i thought it could actually be the most active.
By all means it could be - it just looks a little funny to me. Its hard to tell, which is why a spore print is always a good idea. The blueing looks very purple on my monitor which is why I take the precautionary approach.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: Feelers]
#5724506 - 06/07/06 09:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yea, and the "younger" ones look like they have a much THICKER stem than the ones im used to? could this just be more moisture held in them?
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5724635 - 06/07/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The ones I find always have thick stems like that.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: Feelers]
#5724999 - 06/07/06 10:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Poisonous Hypholoma have the same spore color......be sure they bruise blue AND the proper spore color combined.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: shroominDole]
#5725297 - 06/08/06 12:20 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Spore print came back dark to black colour. very clean print, no smudging.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5725304 - 06/08/06 12:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5725420 - 06/08/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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On what mushroom? The spore print should be purple. So if thats definately black toss that one away.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: Feelers]
#5725546 - 06/08/06 01:49 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The mushroom with the thick base in the second picture is a Cortinarius peraureus which is deadly - you may have some more of these in the mix but I can't really tell.
Subs blue heavily and if all you can see is a "blue tinge" there is a reason to be suspicious, if you handle them heavilly and put them into the fridge for three days they will turn almost completely blue.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: MagicalKnife]
#5725549 - 06/08/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Stuff it, ill throw em all away!
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: blind_injustice]
#5725647 - 06/08/06 02:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You sure?? A lot of people seem to think they could be the goods. Doesn't seem to be a lot of info on this Cortinarius peraureus, anyone else familiar with this species?
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: CureCat]
#5725733 - 06/08/06 04:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The fresh ones are obviously subareuginosa - the others could be contarius - i cant really tell. the white gilled mushroom if it had a brown cap top is probably Oudemansiella radicata
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: Zen Peddler]
#5725946 - 06/08/06 07:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Okay, so there are a few possibilities with this bunch... I am not experienced at all with subs, if the stem bruises blue (not blue-ish) does that necessarily exclude the other Cortinarius and Oudemansiella and Hypholoma species suspect?? This guy needs some way of sorting the bunch (or one like it in the future).
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: CureCat]
#5725991 - 06/08/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The mushroom with the thick base in the second picture is a Cortinarius peraureus which is deadly -
That looks exactly like a sub to me, I am very sure it is a sub.  I would eat that mushroom - and I'm very carefull about what I consume. The little web like "structures" between the gill and the stem are exaclty what I have encounted. If it was Cortinarius peraureus it would not have a hollow stem and would be overall more orange in colour? Also given the context of finding other subs with it I'd say it is very unlikely. The inside of the stem would be brown also.
The subs you have found look alot like the finds I have.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: Feelers]
#5726159 - 06/08/06 09:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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CureCat said : "if the stem bruises blue (not blue-ish) does that necessarily exclude the other Cortinarius and.........?"
this is a Cortinarius that turns blue from NZ and Austrailia several of which have come up for ID from SUB hunts and one thread where the person was told by a friend to eat it cause it was a SUB......in fact this picture below was posted next to another pic of SUBs from a hunt but he knew better and left it
Feelers said: If it was Cortinarius peraureus it would not have a hollow stem and would be overall more orange in colour? Also given the context of finding other subs with it I'd say it is very unlikely. The little web like "structures" between the gill and the stem are exaclty what I have encounted.
If you're hunting SUBs under trees especially like Pine etc.....you can have any number of potential deadly Cortinarius.....the Corts grow on their roots underneath the tree.......
Cortinarius cannot be seperated from other mushrooms by color.....each species can have a mind boggling array of color variations not to mention many are hygrophanous (changing color as they develop).......seperated from SUBs by having brown spores which are rusty colored.
Like many Corts.....SUBs have a cortinarius (webbed) veil or gill covering before opening.
There are no Cortinarius in picture 2 but the little shroom on the far right cant be properly IDd from that pic other than maybe a hint of blue which still doesnt mean anything.
Your "purple creation" at the bottom is Clitocybe nudum.......now those can look identical to several Corts.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: shroominDole]
#5726603 - 06/08/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Crazy... so I guess it's all pending on spore colour. Best to leave those mushies alone for 24hrs spore printing, so you can clearly see the colour.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: CureCat]
#5727664 - 06/08/06 05:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its the combination of spore color AND distinct blueing reaction to eliminate the problems
as mentioned above poisonous Hypholomas in Australia and NZ also have the same spore color like Stropharia {Hypholoma) aurantiaca and Psilocybe (Hypholoma) fasciculare .
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: shroominDole]
#5727833 - 06/08/06 06:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Happily tossed em guys, theres plenty more were they come from...........
I hope, and this time im taking camera to get natural shots as well..
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: Feelers]
#5729017 - 06/08/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Feelers said:
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The mushroom with the thick base in the second picture is a Cortinarius peraureus which is deadly -
That looks exactly like a sub to me, I am very sure it is a sub.  I would eat that mushroom - and I'm very carefull about what I consume. The little web like "structures" between the gill and the stem are exaclty what I have encounted. If it was Cortinarius peraureus it would not have a hollow stem and would be overall more orange in colour? Also given the context of finding other subs with it I'd say it is very unlikely. The inside of the stem would be brown also.
The subs you have found look alot like the finds I have.
You're right with the corts having a more distinct orange colour. The reason I identified it as Cortinarius peraureus was because unlike the other mushrooms, some of them subs, there is absolutely no bluing evident. Unless it woss extremely fresh and he handled it with utmost care it should display some, if only a little bit of bluing.
Other suspicious thing is the base of the stem. There have been a few threads in the past that identify this as one of the main features of Cortinarius peraureus.
Cortinarius peraureus can sometimes look exactly like Psilocybe subaeruginosa to the amateur hunter and although finding some among subs is quite rare, you can't be too cautious.
If the mushroom woss left in the fridge overnight and evidence of psilocybian bluing woss evident in the morning then it'd be safe to say it's P. Subaeruginosa. 
EDIT: I can see a blue tinge along the base which is a good sign but tread with caution.
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Re: Gold Tops, allmost certain this time! [Re: MagicalKnife]
#5729609 - 06/09/06 04:08 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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correct - cortinarius species can sort of cahnge colour on damaging - but they dont go the inky blue that subaeruginosa goes. I think that some of those msuhrooms were almost certainly subaeruginosa, but the dried ones are unclear. But as Shrooindole says - its wise to think about BOTH the staining and the spore print -
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