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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5723953 - 06/07/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It seems like the author of this article really hit a nerve. Interesting...
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Redstorm]
#5724034 - 06/07/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I don't understand what this author is getting at. The type of person that this lunatic is describing seems to me to be a rare breed, except in his warped mind, they are running rampant all over the US.
And where does he say -- or even imply -- that these people are running rampant all over the US? Nowhere. I find it interesting you call him a "lunatic" rather than those at whom the open letter is aimed.
And people like that are far from rare. As Kos never tires of telling us (though his claims are almost certainly exaggerated), his website -- The Daily Kos -- gets more hits than any other political blog. Add the Democratic Underground folks and the Moveon folks and you end up with a not insubstantial number.
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His tasteless exercise in "journalism" ...
Lileks is not a serious journalist and has never claimed to be. He writes books about food and interior decorating and runs a blog -- not a political blog -- filled mainly with humorous musings on retro architecture and old movies. The article is an opinion piece, nothing more.
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...consists of taking the various opinions of various out-there liberal nutjobs, and extrapolating these opinions to be the opinions of the mainstream liberal movement.
I ask again, where does he say or even imply that the people he is addressing are mainstream liberals? I suggest you re-read the piece and get back to us with your apology for misrepresenting his work.
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It's idiotic and it damn sure is not academic.
Thank your lucky stars you weren't given this to read as an assignment from some professor in an academic setting. He'd flunk your ass.
As for idiotic, I say again his sendup of the DUmmies and Kossacks is much less idotic than their own writings, albeit more eloquent.
Phred
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5724179 - 06/07/06 07:57 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I suppose you should apologize with me for for your misleading thread title as well. I thought those were left for Anna? It seems that you are just as confused as I am, since you were the first one to point out that the author targeted the "Left".
I apologize for inferring that the terrorist-loving American haters meant all liberals.
I realize that he wasn't meaning to be academic, or even intelligible. I just have come to expect a bit more from you, and don't really feel that this sort of article adds anything to the forum. It is reactionary, and it won't lead to any intelligent debate. That much is already obvious, judging by the posts follwing (mine included).
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Redstorm]
#5724547 - 06/07/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I hate to say this or be reactionary, but i have learned my lesson to no longer respond or engage in debates with Phred, At one time i used to really enjoy his posts but lately it seems he ignores things and beats the same drum over and over.
Threads like these in P&L always cause massive amounts of drama and end up getting one of the people on these boards kicked or warned.
I will not add anymore to this thread then what i originally wrote.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5725090 - 06/07/06 11:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Phred said: LOL!
The Lefties get boners over Michael Moore's rantings in Stupid White Men, but get all huffy and indignant when their noses are tweaked? Par for the course.
Phred
Which lefties? I don't think I've seen many Moore fans here on this board. Seriously, why do you bother posting this political pornography? There's no point to it except to give right-wingers a hard-on.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Redstorm]
#5725115 - 06/07/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I suppose you should apologize with me for for your misleading thread title as well. I thought those were left for Anna? It seems that you are just as confused as I am, since you were the first one to point out that the author targeted the "Left".
He certainly isn't targeting right wingers, is he?
As for my choice of words for the thread title: you've been reading my posts long enough to know that I am careful to distinguish The Left from Liberals. To me the terms are not interchangeable, which is why -- if you review my posts dealing with them -- you will note I use "Lefties" when it is appropriate and "Libbies" when it is appropriate.
Besides, I figured anyone who clicked on the link and read the commentary would take note of the title Lileks actually used -- I wasn't suggesting an alternate title to his piece, just drawing attention to the fact that he had written it.
I suppose an argument could be made that the people to whom he addresses his remarks aren't Lefties. If you feel it's an argument worth pitching, be my guest.
Phred
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5725119 - 06/07/06 11:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thank your lucky stars you weren't given this to read as an assignment from some professor in an academic setting. He'd flunk your ass.
A professor giving this rubbish as an assignment? Come off it. Even Kindergarten are beyond this.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Silversoul]
#5725187 - 06/07/06 11:46 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Which lefties? I don't think I've seen many Moore fans here on this board.
You ask which Lefties? Let's take a quick run down of the points Lileks mentions in just his opening paragraph, shall we?
-- are there or are there not regular posters to this forum who claim the September 11 attacks were an inside job? How many of them self-identify as Righties?
-- are there or are there not regular posters to this forum who claim America is a fascist state? How many of them self-identify as Righties?
-- are there or are there not regular posters to this forum who claim that Bushco taps the phones of not just folks critical of him, but of pretty much everyone? How many of them self-identify as Righties?
-- are there or are there not regular posters to this forum who -- every time a post is made critical of Islamic terrorists -- immediately respond with the Christian abortion clinic bombers schtick? How many of them self-identify as Righties?
-- are there or are there not regular posters to this forum who claim the war on terorists is a "distraction" from the real threats (i.e. fascism perpetrated by Bushco, to name just one of their favorites) Americans face? How many of them self-identify as Righties?
Thankfully, Moore hasn't released a book or movie lately so we haven't had to read too many posts from his fans for a while. But you know as well as I do there have been times (often weeks at a stretch) where you couldn't log into this forum without seeing someone pimping his work.
It didn't have to be Moore specifically, mind you -- Chomsky and the moonbats who put out the various 9/11 conspiracy videos are pretty widely admired here, too. I just find it amusing that those stung by Lileks' commentary can do no better than to weakly respond with such devastating critiques as "bet that gave you a boner, huh?"
Oh, the wit! Sure showed me, didn't you? That'll teach me to think twice next time I'm tempted to link to commentary critical of the Left!
Phred
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5725224 - 06/07/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Oh, the wit! Sure showed me, didn't you? That'll teach me to think twice next time I'm tempted to link to commentary critical of the Left!
"Critical" is being awfully generous. The jist of the article is essentially this: 
Ideological garbage like this is fucking pathetic. 
BTW, almost every time I've seen Michael Moore brought up in this forum, it's by one of his opponents.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5725586 - 06/08/06 02:11 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just find it amusing that those stung by Lileks' commentary
I don't think anyone was "stung" by it. Even Redstorm and Randall thought it was stupid. You can't even dignify this as "left versus right" it's just moronic.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5725689 - 06/08/06 03:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What is your (and others') reaction to some very valid points?
I already responded to that. The author does not have a point as demonstrated by the Tribune article I posted. Other than that, there is nothing to be said of this article other than you getting an erection.
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As a matter of fact, Lileks's description is actually less extreme than their own writings on the above-mentioned fora.
Well, if that is fact (which I doubt it is), then what is the point in lowering yourself to that level?
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Alex213]
#5725766 - 06/08/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Alex213 said: Even Redstorm and Randall thought it was stupid.
When the rank and file right-wing fascists in PA & L think it's stupid...then you know you have a problem.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Vvellum]
#5726165 - 06/08/06 10:05 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I already responded to that. The author does not have a point as demonstrated by the Tribune article I posted.
The Tribune article tells us that the Canadian government's prosecutors claim the motive of the accused was that Canada has some 2300 troops in Afghanistan.
Note that this is not any of the accused saying this -- this is government prosecutors saying this. A question for you:
Do you believe the Canadian government prosecutors?
If so, do you believe what American government prosecutors say as well, or just Canadian ones?
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5726197 - 06/08/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said:
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Alex213 said: Even Redstorm and Randall thought it was stupid.
When the rank and file right-wing fascists in PA & L think it's stupid...then you know you have a problem.
I love to read Redstorm/Randall posts. Although I consider you all to be in the middle. (not right-wing)
And I enjoyed the article (surprise!) can you say Cognitive dissonance....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5726307 - 06/08/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The Tribune article tells us that the Canadian government's prosecutors claim the motive of the accused was that Canada has some 2300 troops in Afghanistan.
Note that this is not any of the accused saying this -- this is government prosecutors saying this. A question for you:
Do you believe the Canadian government prosecutors?
If so, do you believe what American government prosecutors say as well, or just Canadian ones?
I am sure there is good reason to believe so. I'm sure the investigators discovered some sort of manifesto or communique or casual communication that demonstrated their plan, method, ideology, and reason. Is this really so hard to believe? All of this is not out-of-the-ordinary for Islamists.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5726683 - 06/08/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said:
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Alex213 said: Even Redstorm and Randall thought it was stupid.
When the rank and file right-wing fascists in PA & L think it's stupid...then you know you have a problem.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: RandalFlagg]
#5727047 - 06/08/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said:
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Alex213 said: Even Redstorm and Randall thought it was stupid.
When the rank and file right-wing fascists in PA & L think it's stupid...then you know you have a problem.
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
#5733473 - 06/10/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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That was the longest strawman arguement I have ever seen. I could do better.
So you woke up this morning and sucked Satan's dick and said to yourself "I wonder how Jesus can make me soem more money." and then raped a baby...
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Baby_Hitler]
#5733637 - 06/10/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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The hallmark of marijuana induced brain damage: contradictory logic and the inability to see your own contradictory logic. The left are responsible for the drug laws and the war on terror.
Edited by Luddite (06/10/06 09:53 AM)
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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Luddite]
#5733646 - 06/10/06 09:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You have to be Great_Satan.
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