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Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists
    #5723349 - 06/07/06 03:59 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I tried to excerpt just a bit to whet the appetite, but it's almost impossible to excerpt just a bit. Y'all will just have to read the whole thing.

http://www.newhousenews.com/archive/lileks060706.html



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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723474 - 06/07/06 04:36 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've had enough of divisive generalizations from both ends of the spectrum.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723505 - 06/07/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

what a stupid article - do you really swallow this garbage?

The terror suspects, according the Chicago Tribune, wanted to attack the Canadian government because of their 2,300 or so troops being in Afghanistan. The suspects, if they did in fact plan to attack, were morons and there will be plenty more like them. What is so confusing about this?


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723542 - 06/07/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Was that actually supposed to be informative? It reads like a reactionary piece of nonsense that you would dismiss if it was written by a far-left journalist bashing righties.

I, too, am sick of reading nothing but attacks on the opposite political camp. It's no wonder nothing productive ever gets done in this country. Everyone is too busy wasting all of their energy discrediting their foes.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Redstorm]
    #5723568 - 06/07/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
I, too, am sick of reading nothing but attacks on the opposite political camp. It's no wonder nothing productive ever gets done in this country. Everyone is too busy wasting all of their energy discrediting their foes.




Redstorm, you are completely wrong. You are so utterly wrong. I can't even begin to fathom how wrong you are. How could you be so wrong? I mean seriously...?


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723581 - 06/07/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I bet you got a boner reading this.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Vvellum]
    #5723583 - 06/07/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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The terror suspects, according the Chicago Tribune wanted to attack the Canadian government because of their 2,300 or so troops being in Afghanistan.




Yeah, like the Chicago Tribune would know. Got a link for that? I've been following this story very closely since it broke, reading a half dozen articles or more every day from a wide variety of Canadian and US media, and this is the first I've heard that any of the suspects have revealed their motives.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723604 - 06/07/06 05:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

here

Quote:

Canada premier a target
Officials: Storming Parliament, beheading leader part of plot

By Carol J. Williams, Tribune Newspapers: Los Angeles Times; Tribune news services contributed to this report
Published June 7, 2006

BRAMPTON, Canada -- Some of the 17 men and youths arrested in an alleged terrorism plot planned to storm the nation's Parliament, take politicians hostage and behead Prime Minister Stephen Harper unless their demands were met for a withdrawal of Canadian troops from Afghanistan and the release of Muslim prisoners, prosecutors said Tuesday.

The accusations delivered to several of the defendants' lawyers in a one-page investigation summary included no evidence to substantiate the charges, according to the attorney for 25-year-old Steven Vikash Chand.

"There's an allegation, apparently, that my client personally indicated that he wanted to behead the prime minister of Canada," attorney Gary Batasar said of the synopsis of the government's case against his client, which he received minutes before the proceedings.

Batasar said he was not allowed to meet privately with Chand and later told reporters outside the courthouse: "This is not Guantanamo; this is Toronto, Canada."

"My client . . . protests his innocence, and that's not being heard," Batasar added.

In his comments before the judge, Batasar said the prosecution is contending that the defendants planned to invade the Parliament building in Ottawa and take hostages to demand that Canadian forces leave Afghanistan. About 2,300 serve under international mandate with the Kabul government's consent.

The defendants, according to prosecutors, planned to demand the release of unspecified Muslim prisoners and to bomb the Parliament building and decapitate Harper and other political leaders if their demands were rejected.

The prosecution synopsis mentioned plans to seize or blow up the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.'s broadcast headquarters in Toronto, the attorney said.

Harper brushed off the purported plot against him, joking to reporters, "I can live with these threats as long as they're not from my caucus."

Batasar and two other defense lawyers protested the conditions of their clients' detention. Chand and 21-year-old Ahmad Mustafa Ghany surveyed the courtroom and smirked as the charges against them were read. Their hands were cuffed and they were each shackled to a third defendant, an 18-year-old who was a juvenile at the time of the alleged crimes and appeared confused about the proceedings.

A chaotic parade of handcuffed and manacled defendants in white T-shirts and gray trousers was escorted into the small, packed courtroom of Judge Maurice Hudson at the Ontario Court of Justice in this Toronto suburb. Outside, hundreds of reporters swarmed lawyers and defendants' relatives, eager for details of a case that has jolted Canadians and led to criticism of the nation's liberal immigration policies.

Heeding federal prosecutor Jim Leising's appeal for maximum-security confinement, Hudson ordered the 12 adult and five juvenile defendants held in isolation.

Ghany's lawyer, Rocco Galati, protested the conditions, saying he had been unable to meet with his client without security guards listening in.

Bail hearings were postponed until later this month for all 15 defendants who appeared in court. Two of the 17 charged after raids Friday and Saturday didn't appear Tuesday because they are serving sentences at an Ontario prison for trying in August to smuggle weapons into Canada across the Peace Bridge between Buffalo, N.Y., and Ft. Erie.

Few details of the government's case against the purported terrorist cell have come to light, but the alleged plot to attack those in power mentioned by Batasar suggests prosecutors either clandestinely acquired communications or had an inside source providing information, according to national security analyst David Harris.

"One possibility is that they used bugs or wiretaps," said Harris, former chief of strategic planning for the Canadian Security Intelligence Service and now head of a security think tank. The summary of the prosecution's case might have been deliberately vague to "leave the defense side with questions of what else the prosecutors might know," Harris said.

Hudson ordered the juveniles held in a facility for youth offenders instead of the Maplehurst prison, where the defendants were taken after their arrests. During the raids, 400 officers of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police and the Security Intelligence Service stormed homes and gathering places frequented by the suspects.

"My client is a very frightened young man," attorney Michael Block said of a 16-year-old defendant who was not identified because he is a minor.

Seven of the 17 defendants are teenagers, and all but two--Qayyam Abdul Jamal, 43, and Shareef Abdelhaleen, 30--are 25 or younger.

All 12 adults have been charged with terrorism under a December 2001 amendment to the nation's Criminal Code in reaction to the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States.

Nine of the men are charged with training for the purpose of terrorist activity and six face accusations that they sought to bomb public targets. Four, including Chand, stand accused of recruiting or training others for terrorism.





Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune




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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723613 - 06/07/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

WTF is the point of this? Does this cunt go to sleep at night thinking he's doing something productive?


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Gijith]
    #5723615 - 06/07/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the point is so that people like fred get boners.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723627 - 06/07/06 05:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The bile rises up in my stomach when I see hypocritical Lefties who hate their own people and who attempt to sympathize with their enemies.  This strange but putrid almagamation of rebellion, a desire for originality, and the search for some artificial enlightenment is a mental disease.  But, the jingoistic Righties piss me off just as much.  :shrug:

I am a vicious reactionary.  I wish I wasn't, but I really can't help it.  It's fun to attack people but it accomplishes nothing.  Snarky articles like this have some element of truth to them, but they accomplish nothing of note.  Stuff like this boils down to irascible ego masturbation.  I am embarrassed to say that I actually enjoy it however.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Vvellum]
    #5723640 - 06/07/06 05:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

LOL!

The Lefties get boners over Michael Moore's rantings in Stupid White Men, but get all huffy and indignant when their noses are tweaked? Par for the course.



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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Vvellum]
    #5723649 - 06/07/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

bi0 said:
the point is so that people like fred get boners.




well at least he doesn't need the pills just yet


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Redstorm]
    #5723652 - 06/07/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Redstorm said:
Was that actually supposed to be informative? It reads like a reactionary piece of nonsense that you would dismiss if it was written by a far-left journalist bashing  righties.

I, too, am sick of reading nothing but attacks on the opposite political camp. It's no wonder nothing productive ever gets done in this country. Everyone is too busy wasting all of their energy discrediting their foes.




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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723655 - 06/07/06 05:17 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Phred said:
The Lefties get boners over Michael Moore's rantings in Stupid White Men, but get all huffy and indignant when their noses are tweaked?





Ideologues get boners about anything that reinforces their preconceived notions.  I myself fall victim to this flaw.  There is something comforting, uplifting, and self-righteous about seeing or reading something that eloquently supports my opinions while attacking the people that I disagree with.  Intellectual robots like to be fed the same thing over and over again because their minds have become torpid.  I'm torpid as hell most of the time.  :shrug:


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723658 - 06/07/06 05:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

noses are tweaked? :wtf: umm, ok.

did I ever defend michael moore or even mention him?

every political side has individuals who masterbate all over each other with such garbage. the article that you posted and your excitement for it is yet another example of this.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Gijith]
    #5723680 - 06/07/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Gijith said:
Quote:

bi0 said:
the point is so that people like fred get boners.




well at least he doesn't need the pills just yet




:lol:

Phred goes to the doctor's office for Erectile Dysfunction:

Doctor:  I'd like you to read some Ann Coulter and the American Spectator.
Phred:  Schwing!


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Vvellum]
    #5723709 - 06/07/06 05:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Just wait. Phred is going to come out swinging like a madman.


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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Vvellum]
    #5723735 - 06/07/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I just find the reaction amusing. What is your (and others') reaction to some very valid points? Not a fisking of the writer (of course not, that would involve actual thought) but a general dismissal of it as "garbage" and hysterical slurs hurled at the one who posts it suggesting he became sexually aroused when reading what is -- let's face it -- nothing more than a more-cleverly-written-than-usual observation of the cognitive dissonance exhibited on a daily basis by the denizens of Moveon.org, The Daily Kos, Z-mag, Democratic Underground and others.

As a matter of fact, Lileks's description is actually less extreme than their own writings on the above-mentioned fora.



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Re: Lileks on the Left's Confused Reaction to the Canadian Terrorists [Re: Phred]
    #5723811 - 06/07/06 06:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't understand what this author is getting at. The type of person that this lunatic is describing seems to me to be a rare breed, except in his warped mind, they are running rampant all over the US. Who he is describing is the fringe of liberal followers. His tasteless exercise in "journalism" consists of taking the various opinions of various out-there liberal nutjobs, and extrapolating these opinions to be the opinions of the mainstream liberal movement. It's idiotic and it damn sure is not academic.

I could write a column on the crazies who inhabit the outer reaches of the conservative movement and then imply that these opinions also are typical in mainstream conservatives. I could do that, but what would be the point? None, just like there was no point to this guy's column.


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