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Burke Dennings
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horizontal san pedro (now w/ pix) 1
#5722747 - 06/07/06 12:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey everyone, I've got a question for ya. First off, I UTFSE but came up with nothing, and for some reason my password doesn't work at the Nook. So, I turn to you, ethnobotanical gardeners.
I just got a lovely center cut of T. Pachanoi, and it's nicely calloused at both ends. I have a few trichs growing vertically, but I'd like to plant this one horizontally as I've seen in some pics. What's the best method to do that? Or is it even not recommended?
I'd like for it to lay horizontally in the dirt like a log, and eventually pup upwards. I think it would look different and be fun. Any advice? Thanks in advance.
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Yep, it will work perfectly fine.
Just put it around half, perhaps a little more, under the soil. Obviously, be *very* cautious about watering. The whole thing underneath will eventually callouse, so just be patient.
Eventually, you should get at least one pup at each end. Make sure you use a nice big pot. Roots will grow not only out of each end, but all along the middle.
And post a log of your log.
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Burke Dennings
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Ha, thanks for the advice! I'll be sure to log my log.
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Any other advice anyone (not that Mr. Koolio's advice didn't help)? I'm going to be planting it in a mix of soil, sand, and perlite. Should I keep it in the shade and slowly introduce it to light? All my plants are indoor, but seem to do pretty well.
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Compile everything you learn about cacti and then send it to me so I can know too, without having to learn it on my own of course. Thanks.
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Anonymous]
#5723647 - 06/07/06 05:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, I'll start that project this evening. In fact, I'll just mail you all my cacti and a huge sack of dirt.
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See folks, that is why Dr. Dennings is the shroomery member of the month on the main page. Because, I mean, who else would do such a thing. Anyway Burke, I was just playing. But someone else would probably actually need it. Let someone else win this contest. Thanks
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Anonymous]
#5723700 - 06/07/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You're too much, paradis. This isn't a contest, and I'm not sending out anything. I would if I could, but that's not the case. I'm just looking for advice so I don't kill the precious few cacti I have.
I do like the title Dr. Dennings, though.
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I ended up doing this with a very stretched and thinned tip section of a young cacti.
I had cut the thin part off in order to use the thick 'normal' part for a graft.
Figured i would experiment with the tip.
So I cut it in half. Took one end rooted normally.
The other was layed down horizontal.
After about a month roots have started forming from both callused ends.
One pup is now starting to form a couple 'nodes' from the center.
I need to get a camera......maybe i can borrow one, then i;ll post some pics.
I have determined these are very very hardy cacti to work with I think you would really have to TRY to kill one before it would die......
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Schwip]
#5723809 - 06/07/06 06:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Cool, thanks for the story. 
Here's another question: When I plant it sideways and cover half of it with dirt, should half of the callous be above the ground? Or should I cover the ends and just have the skin exposed? I hope I stated that question clearly. Not that you guys are dumb, I just have a bad way of wording things sometimes.
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Leave the half ends exposed. They'll pup.
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Not sure if there is a definitive proper amount that should be buried or not.
I pretty well just layed it on the top of the soil. Gently nestled it in maybe 1/16 of an inch.
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Schwip]
#5724174 - 06/07/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks very much, guys! I'm sure I'll have more questions, and I'll post some pix in a little bit.
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"I pretty well just layed it on the top of the soil. Gently nestled it in maybe 1/16 of an inch. "
For the sake of root development, I'd certainly go a bit deeper than that. But if it works, it works.
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if its in a pot, then why not just tip the pot upside down, turn the thing till it stand straight up, and then pack the soil to make it ow it should be and then give it a little water?, thats how i do things like this lol... but if its in the ground, im sorry my help is shitty :P
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5725659 - 06/08/06 03:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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To do something different, and because you get at least one new column coming out of each end this way, and a huge base of rootage (if you put it more than 1/16" under).
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Something like this ?
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Tinkal]
#5726154 - 06/08/06 09:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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what is the reason for shaving off the aereole strip on the top, does it promote pupping?
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: supra]
#5726577 - 06/08/06 12:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Grafting?
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I planted it this evening, in a mix of 50/50 cactus soil and perlite, with perlite and stones in the bottom inch or so of the pot. To plant the cutting, I just kind of nestled it into the dirt until it was almost halfway in. Then I placed a thin layer of rocks all around it. If anyone has any more advice, I'd love to hear it. Now, the pictars:




As you can see, the ribs are a little sucked in, but I'm reluctant to water it yet. Does anyone know when I should give it it's first drink? Any other info? Thanks, guys.
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looks good!! Personally i like to put more crushed limestone than perlite, as it gives nutrients. I picked up 5 gallon buckets of 1/4" grate and powdered limestone at the local construction company for free, just asked. They had mountains of it so they didn't care.
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: supra]
#5730400 - 06/09/06 11:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey, thanks for the tip!
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Looks good, I dont know why but I always thought people took the cutting and cut it length wise. Then let it caluse and then plant. Or can it be done both ways?
How many inches from hte top of the pot is it?? I would have a maximum of a few inches. from the picture it looks like the cutting is burried half way down the pot... I also wouldnt water till your sure roots have set in.. Trichocereus only roots when water is scarce, so keep that in mind.
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Legoulash]
#5731719 - 06/09/06 06:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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It is indeed usually done vertically. This works too though. Nice big healthy root system, and at least 2 pups.
Here are some pics, on a site I wouldn't normally link to, out of dislike for the guy... but they're good pics. 
http://sacredcactus.com/san_pedro_cactus_logged.htm http://sacredcactus.com/san_pedro_cactus_logged2.htm http://sacredcactus.com/san_pedro_cactus_logged3.htm
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Hey, thanks for those pix man! 
Even though it's not really related to this thread, here's a pup that's been growing on my other san pedro. The dates on the camera are fucked, and I forgot the exact date I noticed it, but it's less than 2 months old.


This picture was taken after the pup took some abuse due to too much direct sun:

It's doing pretty well as far as vertical growth goes, but does anyone know how I can increase it's girth? I don't have any lime in the soil and haven't fertilized, maybe that would help?
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The pup is getting pretty tall already! Good work man. Wish I had some tips on ferts for you but I've never experimented with growing cacti.
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Thanks, bro! I wish I hadn't put it outside, it got all messed up but is now on the mend.
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"but does anyone know how I can increase it's girth?"
Actually, the best thing you can do is put it outside. You just need to properly get it used to the sunlight. It will continue to be etiolated like that without some good light and nutrients.
Unfortunately, it won't fatten up from the way it currently is now with time alone. It will stay that width, and just get taller.
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GAY.
Well, I'm moving soon and hopefully I'll be able to put it in maybe a sun-room or outside. I currently live in a one-bedroom apartment that only has 2 windows, no porch or balcony. I can't even put it out during the day because I live right near Greek Row ( ) and EVERYTHING gets vandalized. They even destroyed the picnic benches.
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Artificial lighting combined with the window will do wonders.
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By artificial lighting, do you mean a flouro-strip plant bulb, or like a HPS or metal halide rig? Cause I've really been wanting to get one of those.
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why do you lay them down long ways like that, how can they grow like that? how does that happen?
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5733740 - 06/10/06 10:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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They throw off pups.The actual cutting isnt going to get any larger visualy.
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oooooooh, okay i now understand, can i just go off and cut some peices liek that off the cacti and lay it down like that and get pups then?
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: C-Dizzle]
#5733876 - 06/10/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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calab said: why do you lay them down long ways like that, how can they grow like that? how does that happen?
Why didn't you listen to the answer last time you asked?
"can i just go off and cut some peices liek that off the cacti and lay it down like that and get pups then?"
Did you seriously ask for a third time?
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yeah i didnt mean to ask again lol i meant to get clarification to see if i was understanding right.............................................................................................................................................................................................
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Here are some pics, on a site I wouldn't normally link to, out of dislike for the guy... but they're good pics. 
What is it that you don't like about the guy?
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: schmutzen]
#5735447 - 06/10/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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>koala "It is indeed usually done vertically. This works too though. Nice big healthy root system, and at least 2 pups."
What I meant was I thought people would cut the cactus 50/50 from top to bottom, then let it callous and root horizontily.. I figured this would give you 2 cuttings that would pup. now that iv seen how its done, i figued that cutting the cactus like that would be a very big shock to the system.
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Legoulash]
#5735569 - 06/10/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, it would probably be a pretty big shock. I also think it would take a while to callouse. I could imagine the entire thing just dying that way, but who knows?
I thought I might've been misreading your post, seemed a bit strange.
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So, are you guys saying my horizontal cutting is in trouble.... possibly dying?
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No. He was talking about cutting it right down the middle, all the way through.
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Yea i was the one who was mistaken, Its tough to come accross Trich cacti up here in canada. So I have very limited experiance growing them.
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Legoulash]
#5738094 - 06/11/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm sure there are plenty of nookers up there with good collections who like trading.
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They probably will die. You can see a dead dried up rotted one in that guys pic. I think they will die because they are not supposed to have that much contact with the soil and will absorb too much water and rot.
The pupping is most likely a last ditch effort to survive.
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Re: horizontal san pedro [Re: Psychoslut]
#5738390 - 06/11/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pupping is always an effort to survive.
They can get easily over a foot tall, and you can cut them off and replant. Other times, they'll live quite a while. The part in the soil will callouse and dry out, and not just rot away instantly.
The ones in the photos were completely dried up. Effectively 'dead' besides a nice root system. But it wasn't rotted, and there wasn't root rot.
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i dont have any pedro, id like to have a pup. the pups look allot better than seed grown cacti
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Quote:
Burke Dennings said: So, are you guys saying my horizontal cutting is in trouble.... possibly dying?
Please, some advice guys!?!
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No...yours are fine 
They were reffering to a different method.
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Burke Dennings said:
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Burke Dennings said: So, are you guys saying my horizontal cutting is in trouble.... possibly dying?
Please, some advice guys!?!
Come on, man!
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Koala Koolio said: No. He was talking about cutting it right down the middle, all the way through.
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I'd like to give some advice but I've never tried this method because it doesn't seem practical in cultivation to me. Although I like how it emulates what would happen in the wild.
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