|
Sinbad
Living TheMoment


Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
|
Accepting Yourself
#5722555 - 06/07/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
|
avapxia
Stranger


Registered: 04/26/06
Posts: 277
Last seen: 16 years, 4 months
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Sinbad]
#5722667 - 06/07/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Taking MDMA and looking in the mirror will do it.
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,534
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Sinbad]
#5722732 - 06/07/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
how 'bout transcending yourself
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
|
Can't be done IMO, accepting yourself is the way to go.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
redgreenvines
irregular verb


Registered: 04/08/04
Posts: 37,534
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Icelander]
#5722802 - 06/07/06 01:05 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
i think there is plenty more than old self to encounter
--------------------
_ 🧠_
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
|
Quote:
redgreenvines said: i think there is plenty more than old self to encounter
True and old self is only a small aspect of self. Self is without limits?
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Deviate
newbie
Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4,497
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Icelander]
#5722985 - 06/07/06 02:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Icelander said: Can't be done IMO, accepting yourself is the way to go.
you are constantly trasnscending yourself. everyday you have new experiences and pick up new infomration and insights, you are constantly changing and becomming more than you were before. compare yourself now to when you were 10 years old and think about how many times you have self transcended.
|
Sinbad
Living TheMoment


Registered: 12/23/04
Posts: 2,571
Loc: Under The Bodhi Tree
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Deviate]
#5723021 - 06/07/06 02:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Did anyone actually read the page from the link? Id love to hear what you thought of it.
--------------------
|
Veritas

Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 11,089
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Deviate]
#5723030 - 06/07/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Transcend: 1 a : to rise above or go beyond the limits of b : to triumph over the negative or restrictive aspects of : c : to be prior to, beyond, and above (the universe or material existence)
2 : to outstrip or outdo in some attribute, quality, or power intransitive senses : to rise above or extend notably beyond ordinary limits
I think it is possible to transcend the known self, as that is fluid and ever-changing. What we cannot transcend is having a self, as it seems to be the ticket to embodiment. (You want a body? You want to experience the material plane? Gotta have a self.)
Accepting the fact of your self, as opposed to accepting the specific details of the enactment of that self, is a powerful and graceful action.
|
MushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Sinbad]
#5723207 - 06/07/06 03:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
I read it and thought it contained several conflicting ideas. I'll elaborate later.
|
capliberty
Stranger


Registered: 04/23/06
Posts: 1,949
Last seen: 14 years, 5 months
|
|
accepting myself is unacceptable
|
dorkus
don't look back
Registered: 04/12/04
Posts: 1,511
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Sinbad]
#5723409 - 06/07/06 04:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
I did read it, and I really, really appreciated it. Thank you for posting, my friend.
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Deviate]
#5723611 - 06/07/06 05:06 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Deviate said:
Quote:
Icelander said: Can't be done IMO, accepting yourself is the way to go.
you are constantly trasnscending yourself. everyday you have new experiences and pick up new infomration and insights, you are constantly changing and becomming more than you were before. compare yourself now to when you were 10 years old and think about how many times you have self transcended.
All that "new information" was already part of you. You just uncovered it. Everything I am trying to become I was when a child.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
dorkus
don't look back
Registered: 04/12/04
Posts: 1,511
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Icelander]
#5723844 - 06/07/06 06:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
" Everything I am trying to become I was when a child."
I wholeheartedly agree. Nakedness. It is about unlearning and unwinding in my opinion.
We are like elephants thinking that if we only could put on a couple of extra pounds, everything would be better. A wise man said something like that in the wonderful movie One Giant Leap which I strongly recommend.
Tom Robbins tells a great story in that movie. A monk was going to meet the buddha and as he went on his way he met this ascetic who sat meditating under a tree. He was seated in the sun and fusing in sweat and ants and bugs were eating his skin. As the monk told him he was going to meet the Buddha, the ascetic said "ask the Buddha how many lifetimes it will take before I will reach enlightenment."
The monk agreed to do so and continued on his walk. A little later he came upon a man dancing in joy. He was eating food from a bowl, sipping a little wine and jumping all over the place, totally blissed out. As the monk told him where he was going, that man also said "ask the Buddha how many lifetimes it will take before I become enlightened."
The monk agreed to do so, and went onward. He met the Buddha and had his talk. On his way back he came upon the ascetic first. The ascetic asked mournfully how many lives he had left. The monk said the Buddha had told him that it would take him six more lifetimes to become enlightened. The ascetic became absolutely devastated and continued even harder in his efforts.
A little later the monk met the joyous dancing man who still was bopping madly around the place. "How many lifetimes do I have left?" he asked.
The monk pointed to a nearby tree and said: "Do you see all the leaves on that tree? The Buddha says it will take you as many lives as there are leaves on that tree to reach enlightenment."
"Is that all!?" the dancing madman exclaimed and started celebrating even harder.
And at that moment he became enlightened.

Edited by dr_mandelbrot (06/07/06 06:25 PM)
|
Deviate
newbie
Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4,497
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Icelander]
#5724563 - 06/07/06 09:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
Deviate said:
Quote:
Icelander said: Can't be done IMO, accepting yourself is the way to go.
you are constantly trasnscending yourself. everyday you have new experiences and pick up new infomration and insights, you are constantly changing and becomming more than you were before. compare yourself now to when you were 10 years old and think about how many times you have self transcended.
All that "new information" was already part of you. You just uncovered it. Everything I am trying to become I was when a child.
i think you're missing the point. you can now do many things you could not do when you were 10 years old and you can do many of the things you could do then, better. envision a peice of software which is continually updated. it will have transcended itself many times by the time it reaches version 10.0 compared to version 1.0. veritas kindly posted the definition of transcend which read:
"2 : to outstrip or outdo in some attribute, quality, or power"
i think its safe to say we've all outdone ourselves in some aspect as we've grown and matured. for example, i am now a far better tennis player than i was when i first began playing.
Edited by Deviate (06/07/06 09:18 PM)
|
Grok
Has Been a Bad Boy


Registered: 12/03/03
Posts: 1,262
Loc: Greener Pastures
Last seen: 9 years, 4 months
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Deviate]
#5725169 - 06/07/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Thanks for posting that, great read indeed.
-------------------- Entropy is increasing. To send me a PM, go to my journal
|
MushmanTheManic
Stranger

Registered: 04/21/05
Posts: 4,587
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: Sinbad]
#5726353 - 06/08/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
According to the essay, one should dislike certian aspects of him/herself, such as delusion, ignorance, etc, while still accepting him/herself. ("cultivate the wholesome tendencies and uproot the unwholesome ones") This seems incoherent. One cannot say "yes" and "no" at the same time. Refusing to like a part of oneself is synoynmous to not accepting that part. Can you accept the whole without accepting the parts?
Rather than categorizing the self into dualistic sets of likes and dislikes, one should accept the whole of oneself, realizing it is impossible to eliminate klesa or ignorance. You may learn something, which will eliminate specific ignorances, but ignorace, as a whole, will always remain.
|
ultrafeel
fun-da-mental

Registered: 05/24/06
Posts: 22
Last seen: 15 years, 4 months
|
|
Quote:
i think you're missing the point. you can now do many things you could not do when you were 10 years old and you can do many of the things you could do then, better.
What are you gonna do better when you're 90, suffering from Alzheimer?
|
Icelander
The Minstrel in the Gallery


Registered: 03/15/05
Posts: 95,368
Loc: underbelly
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: ultrafeel]
#5726432 - 06/08/06 11:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Interesting point.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
|
Deviate
newbie
Registered: 04/20/03
Posts: 4,497
Last seen: 8 years, 4 months
|
Re: Accepting Yourself [Re: ultrafeel]
#5727203 - 06/08/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
ultrafeel said:
Quote:
i think you're missing the point. you can now do many things you could not do when you were 10 years old and you can do many of the things you could do then, better.
What are you gonna do better when you're 90, suffering from Alzheimer?
even if you eventually lose the abilities you gained (and eventually you will lose them), you still self transcended many times.
|
|