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my fruiting chamber (pics)
    #5721560 - 06/07/06 12:54 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've had a successful go with PESA's with several flushes once before using a small rubbermaid terrarium with no poly-fil holes or anything, just fanned it every 4 hours.

This time I'm wanting to upgrade just a bit... I've finished building a terrarium that I think is quite a bit better than the previous. I'm not really sure how effective the air pump will be in helping gas exchange in between the fannings and how well the poly-fil will filter the air.

Please lend me a few tips on how to improve this thing. Here are the pics.




The Air Pump.


Saran wrap sealing the edges of the lid.


Holes stuffed with poly-fil on the opposite side of the air pump.


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: etam]
    #5721573 - 06/07/06 12:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's basically an auto-mated set-up - No fanning required..

Plus when you fan you lose Rh like a bitch =/

I don't know the techinal term., but how much air does that thing move per mintue?..(lol).

I think you'll get to much air flow...You might want to get a two way splicer...It's really jsut a small plastic clear piece that makes one hose into two (pics say a million words, ha).

That way you'd have about half as much air pushing through your terrium. :thumbup:

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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #5721581 - 06/07/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I'm not really sure how much air it moves. It doesn't seem to pump much air.

It's an aquarium pump from wal-mart. I looked all over the box for a measurement with no luck.

I think I might just have a splicer. Thanks!


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: etam]
    #5721636 - 06/07/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Awsome setup. Im hoping to build something along those lines somtime soon.


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: XbollweevilX]
    #5721645 - 06/07/06 01:13 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If the air pump does indeed move too much air, how will I be able to tell?

Will it just lower the relative humidity?

Thanks again.


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: XbollweevilX]
    #5721656 - 06/07/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Very similar to my setup
Do you have both of the outlets on the air pump connecting to one line into the Fruiting Chamber
You can get twice the air flow if you link the air outlets together
My pump pushes 5 Liter per hr.
I suggest adding a fish tank water heater also


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: UnderNose]
    #5721673 - 06/07/06 01:23 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Oh, I'm actually still just using BRF cakes. I haven't made the jump to casings yet. I probably will after this grow.

I forgot to mention that, and that I'm going to be using perlite.

My apologies.


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: etam]
    #5721752 - 06/07/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

if your using perlite you usually don't need a fish pump... but i guess you won't have to fan this way. i prefer geolite stuff as iam lazy and don't want to bother with wet perilite. the cakes should be fine though.
your pump might rattle around in there more than you want, consider wrapping a fluffy towel around it to help mute the noise or just cram it full of polyfill


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: HongKongPhooey]
    #5724023 - 06/07/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Should I leave the pump on all the time or should I put it on a timer to run 30 minutes every 2 hours or something of that nature?


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: etam]
    #5724058 - 06/07/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

leave it on. it wont lose rh if you keep the lid on the FC, you want as much FAE as possible.

i have the same setup as yours. im actually buying a 2nd aquarium pump to increase FAE. so theres no need to fan.


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: l33tflip1]
    #5724175 - 06/07/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

awesome i have the same setup except i just have a piece of plexy glass as a lid theres and where the hose goes in its not sealed around it.. i havent had any problems with contamination. i have 4 casings in there 2 of them are on thier second flush... im really not worried about contams at all. i use germ-x on my hands when i go to pick any, and try not to do anything to stupid.....in between flushes i get like a flush of small shrooms is that normal?


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: shopdropper]
    #5725492 - 06/08/06 01:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks for the replies guys. I'm going to be birthing 5 equadorian cakes in the terrarium on Friday (the rest need more incubating).

Wish me luck!


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: etam]
    #5725624 - 06/08/06 02:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Just wondering what you guys do with the pump.

Do you pump air INTO your tub?

Because wouldnt it be better to have some holes in the top half of the tub with polyfill, and then use the pump to SUCK air out of the bottom, this way it drags in fresh air form the top and sucks out the CO2 buildup from the bottom of the tub.

If you already do it this way forgive me, as im under the impression that people are pumping in air.


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: Ascension]
    #5725640 - 06/08/06 02:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you use pump to suck CO2 out ASCENSION?


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: Ascension]
    #5725817 - 06/08/06 05:30 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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Do you pump air INTO your tub?

Because wouldnt it be better to have some holes in the top half of the tub with polyfill, and then use the pump to SUCK air out of the bottom, this way it drags in fresh air form the top and sucks out the CO2 buildup from the bottom of the tub.





Yes, you pump air INTO the tub. You actually want to redistribute the CO2 in the tub, not remove it. Magash can explain it better, so I'll quote him:

From  The Poor Man's Pod:

"Is there a vent for CO2 to escape?

Yes the vent holes are I the top. They are put in the top for a reason. The fundamental principal behind using air entrainment is to sufficiently mix the two (fresh air and stale air) together and then re-distribute them back into the environment in a more balanced way that is then more beneficial to the mushroom crop. Without this sufficient mixing of the gasses present within the grow space, the crops will remain stunted and will likely never reach their optimum potential.

With the poor mans pod, the settling co2 air is met and diffused by a curtain of fresh air rising from beneath the Geolite surface. This rising flow of air is created from the air diffuser rod situated below the Geolite surface, which is powered by the air pump. The rising air pattern not only prohibits the heavier co2 air from settling down onto the bottom surface as usual but it also simultaneously diffuses the co2 with fresh air as it is distributed back into the environment or grow space where it can be put to good use.

In this way, the poor mans pod creates the same desired phenomenon as offered by more conventional means of air entrainment found in much larger-scale commercial applications where a mixing box is commonly used to accomplish this important task.
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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: FooMan]
    #5725882 - 06/08/06 06:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

FooManShroom thank you for taking the time to respond.

But everytime I bring the question up of air circulation I get different answers.

According to what Magash said, having the rising air from the bottom is ideal. So without a source of fresh air from the bottom, things wouldnt be so good, but this has been disproven with the monotub.

In a monotub, There is no rising air from the bottom, just holes in the top and the bottom. Yet either way, fruits grow beautifully.

In a monotub, the only way for air exchange to happen is if the heavier molecules were moving out the bottom holes sucking in fresh air from the tub.

In other words, I find it really hard to believe what people say because its such a delicate matter with contradicting results.
And no real scientific results, just people stating what they think is true.

Besides, in nature when is there stale air moving over the shrooms?

I suppose I wont be happy until someone does analysis on the air coming out :p


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: Ascension]
    #5726018 - 06/08/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"According to what Magash said, having the rising air from the bottom is ideal. So without a source of fresh air from the bottom, things wouldnt be so good, but this has been disproven with the monotub."

nothing has been disproven. Remember, this for a Poor Mans Pod, which doesn't have holes all around it. In that tek, you should pump the air in from the bottom so that it circulates around before slowly being pushed out of the top, creating a more natural air exchange.


"In a monotub, the only way for air exchange to happen is if the heavier molecules were moving out the bottom holes sucking in fresh air from the tub."

Not at all. Fresh air exchange happens because there is some air movement around the monotub, which slowly comes into and out of all of the holes. The heavier CO2 will push it's way out of the lower holes gradually. Same concept, different method. It all boils down to making sure that the CO2 doesn't settle at the bottom and is mixed nicely with fresh air.


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: Ascension]
    #5726030 - 06/08/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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Besides, in nature when is there stale air moving over the shrooms?





Good question. I've got one for you. How come you'll rarely see this many mushrooms piled up in nature?



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In other words, I find it really hard to believe what people say because its such a delicate matter with contradicting results.
And no real scientific results, just people stating what they think is true.




Delicate matter? Contradicting results? No scientific results?

It's not a delicate matter. I'm not sure what contradicting results you're referring to and besides Paul Stamets, who is going to give you proven scientific results? This hobby isn't exactly the type that gets government funding. :wink:


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Re: my fruiting chamber (pics) [Re: FooMan]
    #5740777 - 06/12/06 05:26 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I've birthed a couple equadorian cakes into that fruiting chamber.

So, do I not need to fan at all with my setup or should I fan a couple times a day?

Thanks again.


Edited by etam (06/12/06 05:27 AM)


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