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OfflineCody69
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Yellowish condensation?
    #5720404 - 06/06/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have a grain jar I am going to use for a casing. It seems to have some condensation on the sides and on the bottom a bit of yellowish water. Could this make the cake prone to infection? Or is it already infected? I do not have a picture yet of the cake and nothing by itself is growing yellow on the cake.


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: Cody69]
    #5720466 - 06/06/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Metabolytes. You're fine. If there's a lot of them, it usually tells you the incubation temp was a bit high.
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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: Cody69]
    #5720538 - 06/06/06 08:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I get that occassionally... I just think of it as urine... :smile:


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: Jim]
    #5720568 - 06/06/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I call it mycellium piss


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: Legalize247]
    #5720798 - 06/06/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It has nothing to do with urine. The metabolites are produced in response to stress. That stress could be from dealing with bacteria in the jars or from being too hot, or both. The metabolites are antimicrobial, so are actually medicine, not piss.
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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5720851 - 06/06/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It has nothing to do with urine. The metabolites are produced in response to stress. That stress could be from dealing with bacteria in the jars or from being too hot, or both. The metabolites are antimicrobial, so are actually medicine, not piss.
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I see, but would this be at all dangerous for my poor cake?


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5724231 - 06/07/06 08:10 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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It has nothing to do with urine. The metabolites are produced in response to stress. That stress could be from dealing with bacteria in the jars or from being too hot, or both. The metabolites are antimicrobial, so are actually medicine, not piss.
RR




Well, not to split hairs (or Hares for that matter LOL) Urine is sterile to your body. (Hence why a Prince Albert is the fastest healing piercing)

At any rate, is this yellowing also normal in a PF jar? I noticed a couple of 'spots' that seemed a bit yellowish. Its kind of hard to tell though cause these are the 1/2 pint jars that are all wavy. (And the last of them too)
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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: JoeMama]
    #5724302 - 06/07/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Those could be metabolites or pins. Yes, it happens to cakes. Can you post pics of the yellow spots?


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: HoleSnype]
    #5724325 - 06/07/06 08:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Well urine is basically poison to your body but it is sterile until it leaves your body.


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: Legalize247]
    #5724549 - 06/07/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

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I call it mycellium piss




I think some people are mistaking Legalize247's comment. It looks like piss and seems to be a fitting nick name...he's not calling it actual Urine.

One of my PFTEK jars did that and was just fine. Pics when you get a chance but I wouldn't sweat it.


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5803287 - 06/29/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

i noticed that the setting i had my incubator at was too high in combination with the increased temperatures with the weather here lately, so i'm seeing quite a bit of condensation in my jars. but today i also noticed that the mycelium at the bottom of the jars (they were flipped) is slightly duller and slightly yellow. is this staining from the condensation or something more serious? the jars in question are about 95% colonized. would it be best to leave them as they are and let them colonize 100% or birth them into a fruiting chamber now?


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: mnmn]
    #5803705 - 06/29/06 03:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

JoeMama writes:
"Urine is sterile to your body."

Urine is sterile, period.

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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: splifner180]
    #5803958 - 06/29/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

JoeMama "(Hence why a Prince Albert is the fastest healing piercing) "

lol fasteest healer i have gotten so far.


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: joker_66599]
    #5803965 - 06/29/06 04:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ouch!


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: splifner180]
    #5804046 - 06/29/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

> The metabolites are antimicrobial, so are actually medicine, not piss.

Are they antimicrobial or simply toxic? I've seen you pic with myc growing through what looks like a water droplet, but that's not the yellow "myc piss" I'm familiar with.

If it's "medicine" then what conditions does it treat? What are the effective dosages/concentrations? Do you use it or are you just speculating? Are there any contraindications or side-effects?

I hope you've done a little research on this subject, since by saying that it's medicine you are saying that it's both safe at effective concentrations and that it is useful for treating some condition.

People listen to you, and they might be tempted to consume an untested substance by following your information.


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: fastfred]
    #5804327 - 06/29/06 07:00 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Once again FF you are spending more of your energy looking for an argument or trying to correct someone, rather than trying to find the meaning in what they are saying before you reply.

Did he say medicine for humans? Did he even come close to suggesting that it was for human consumption? If so I missed it. So in this case you are the one who is creating the misinformation by implying that he meant it for human consumption.

I appreciate your sense of correctness, but common man, get real.

Besides, that would be an advanced matter if you wanted to discuss it in detail. Perhaps you should post a precurser to your argument in the advanced forum. I know I for one, would enjoy reading about it.


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: cappa]
    #5805607 - 06/30/06 01:38 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

RR wants to make a claim.  I'm a skeptic by nature, so I ask for the reasoning of his claim or what evidence he has that leads him to make the claim.

I posted earlier with a description of what research I've done on "myc piss" (pH test), and why I think it's myc piss.

He's upgraded his earlier claim that it was antimicrobial to now claiming that it's a "medicine".


> Did he say medicine for humans? Did he even come close to suggesting that it was for human consumption?

No, he didn't.  And I never said he did.  He never claimed what use this "medicine" might have or who should take it.  You accused me of making arguments based on semantics in another thread, now you're doing the same thing!  But your argument is faulty.  Damn you for drawing me into an argument over semantics. :wink:

I never said that he said anything about human consumption, but a medicine is something that is taken to treat an ailment or condition.  He didn't say who this "medicin" is supposed to treat so that may cause many to assume that it's for humans.  That's why I'm asking how exactly "myc piss" is a "medicine", what it's used for, who (or what) should take it, and how it should be taken.


> I know I for one, would enjoy reading about it.

So would I, that's why I'm asking questions.  I've already posted the extent of my knowledge on the subject.  If I had anything more to contribute I would start a thread in advanced.


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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: fastfred]
    #5806388 - 06/30/06 09:37 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

It isn't advanced. In fact, it's quite basic and doesn't belong in the advanced forum, just like 90% of the posts that improperly get put there. Mushroom metabolytes will stop bacteria dead in a petri dish. I've affirmed this repeatedly with my experiments. That's also why jars with a bit of wet spot bacteria always seem to have a buildup of metabolytes to go with it. It's again why grain jars or bulk substrates/casing layers incubated at too high a temperature have more metabolytes.

This isn't new 'news'. We can thank a gentleman by the name of Alexander Fleming for discovering the antimicrobial properties of fungal metabolytes back in 1929. A few years later, two other gentlemen surnamed Florey and Chain, both British but working in the US, learned to produce commercial quantities of the metabolyte and all three earned the Nobel prize, not because their 'myc piss' could kill bacteria in a petri dish, but because it could ALSO cure microbial infections in humans.

Today, fungal metabolytes are harvested from liquid cultures of fungi in tanks of 30,000 gallons and above.

Metabolytes from our mushroom crops are protecting the crop from infection, thus they serve as 'medicine'. Whether or not that medicine is useful for humans or not is subject to further study, but my statement obviously concerned its natural duty with the mycelium.

The pictures below have been previously posted. They are mushroom metabolytes in the very first stages of being actively secreted from the mycelium. Even an untrained eye will easily notice that these are microscope pictures. The total distance across the largest of these is only a few dozen microns. Considering the color of the halogen bulb on my microscope, it would be awfully hard to see the amber color of such a small area of liquid, thus they 'look' clear.

There is a ton of research going on right now in the field and I suggest anyone interested to look into subscribing to the International Journal of Medicinal Mushrooms, edited by Solomon Wasser.
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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5966995 - 08/15/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

RR,

I think this is super interesting. I know this is an older thread... I'm glad I came back to get the research info.

In the interim, I am curious if metabolites in one's cake or casing begins in the jar/bag and continues developing once in the fruiting chamber -or- if the stresses of being in a chamber can be enough to start it up.

I imagine it can begin anywhere there is myc growth, but not sure...

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Re: Yellowish condensation? [Re: ghostofbmarley]
    #5977992 - 08/19/06 09:01 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Correct. It can/will begin anywhere in the cycle. The pictures above were taken with a zoom microscope of mycelium on a petri dish.

The antibiotic properties of mushroom metabolytes have been known for many decades. In fact, popular medicinal antibiotics such as penicillin are made from the metabolytes of fungi just as you see being secreted in the picture above. They are clear when secreted by the mycelium, but if in contact with grains or brf/compost, etc., they get colored by whatever they're in contact with, thus the incorrect 'name' of piss, which drives me up the wall. I have some more detailed pictures, including some of metabolytes being secreted by mycelium right after leaving the spores if anyone is interested.
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