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Attn Chemists (LSA testing)
    #5719964 - 06/06/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Over the last while I have performed several different LSA extractions on morning glory, with varying degrees of success.

I am about to perform another extraction, a polar + non-polar, and leave the final product suspended in my polar solvent (ethanol).

I will be using butane for my non-polar solvent.

Last time I used butane to do a similar extraction I could not help but notice how quickly it collected solute... and I was wondering about what EXACTLY I was dissolving (how much of the LSA, especially)

Now as far as chemistry goes, I'm a well researched amateur with 2 intro level university courses.

...getting to the point, does anybody have any suggestions for chemical analysis approaches for my butane after-product?
(especially ones that would give me an idea of LSA content!)

If anyone feels I am not of adequate experience to do said testing, I would also very much appreciate advice on where I can read up on this subject.


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5720125 - 06/06/06 06:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes. GC/MS.

And what exactly do you mean by "collected solute?"


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: Mezcal]
    #5725875 - 06/08/06 06:35 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

When I say 'I could not help but notice how quickly it collected solute'
I mean I was surprised at how rapidly the butane dissolved parts of the morning glory. It went from clear to highly coloured in only a couple of seconds.


GC/MS means what exactly? sorry, don't have all my acronyms down.


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5726292 - 06/08/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

gas chromatography and something else. he was answering your question on how you would be able to test the LSA content besides plugging it, snorting it, or swallowing it.


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5726294 - 06/08/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

and a baby could do an LSA extraction, your fine.


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5726306 - 06/08/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

gas chromatography/mass spectrometry


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: Cepheus]
    #5726316 - 06/08/06 11:04 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

how about high pressure liquid chromatography i hear it works better then gas cause it doesnt need to be heated to the point gas chromatography does changing some of the chems.


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: CptnGarden]
    #5727652 - 06/08/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

ShroomieOfDoomie said:
and a baby could do an LSA extraction, your fine.




Well to start, LSA extraction is extremely hit and miss... search the posts and you'll find at least twice as many failures as successes...

Then search erowid's experience reports and notice that the level of effects for X grams extracted is generally equal to that of X/2 grams unextracted... (ESPECIALLY polar/non-polar...)

...even a baby could conclude there's much room for improvement...

and once you're done realizing popular opinion disagrees with your presumptuous statement, read my post again so you can discover the fact that I have ALREADY SUCCEEDED with extractions, and I am now making an effort to learn more about the process so I can improve my results in the future...

and finally, conclude by deciding against giving further extraneous commentary...





and in response to the suggestion about mass spectrometry and liquid chromatography...
is there any practical way to accomplish either of these processes without the aid of multi-thousand dollar equipment?




is there any form of reactive chemistry that would give me a rough(er) estimate of LSA content? (or even alkaloids in general?)
I have a reasonably large amount of morning glory to work with.


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Re: Attn Chemists (LSA testing) [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5729335 - 06/09/06 01:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

You don't need multi-thousand dollar equipment to do what you want to do, and there's reactive chemistry to estimate total alkaloid content.


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