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maharashii
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Poor yields from the poor man's pod
#5719690 - 06/06/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Howdy fellas,
Some of you may have seen my previous post on the poor man's pod.
I dreamt about this again the other night, and envisioned the dunked cakes producing only a bout a half-dozen carpophores each, with some aborts. Re-dunking generated another flush, nearly identical.
I ask because I wonder how it is possible that others are generating such high yields from PF cakes in a PMP. The two cakes are fruiting but very slowly. In my dream more cakes were going to be ready for fruiting, and I'd like to know what environmental conditions need to be corrected by then.
- Ambient temps of ~80-85F in the closet
- .038 cubic meters/minute hydroponic pump for air exchange
- Hydrostone with water bubbling
- Occasional hand-misting
- light only when the pod is opened and checked on
I once dreamt of a PF style terrarium which was hand-misted and fanned producing much higher yields. What gives?
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: maharashii]
#5719779 - 06/06/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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80-85 is a litte high but will work fine
and misting is good
12 hours of light, 12 hours of darkness
the other stuff i dunno about
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Atheist]
#5719795 - 06/06/06 05:15 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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i would think it would be bettwer to use perlitemakesure its not swimming too.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Atheist]
#5719796 - 06/06/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the poor mans pod is a great idea but why not just get a cool mist and a hose. won't that do the same thing?
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5719806 - 06/06/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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perlite is the easiest, you just soak it then put it in the bottom
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Atheist]
#5719822 - 06/06/06 05:24 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry a cool mist is the easiest fill it turn it on. reuseable, clean , you can change filters. you actually have airflow not stagnant air to create contams. no fanning if you drill holes and fill with polyfill. also if you eliminate opening th fc you decrease having contams
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5719826 - 06/06/06 05:25 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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the only great thing about perlite is that it cost two dollars
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5719859 - 06/06/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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lol, perlite is absolutely fine for growing mushrooms. You can break ANYthing down negatively. Cool mists break down, you have to modify them, can be loud, require more space, power tools, etc.
I have a feeling it's not the pod that's causing your problems. I'd drop those temps to mid 70's if i were you. Also realize every cake is going to be different, some will produce well, some won't. You can achieve bigger yields by casing, by providing more surface area and a deeper substrate layer you will see bigger and more robust flushes.
Also keep in mind that you usually average 3-5 gms dry per cake. So if you're near that range you're doing just fine. I say try switching to casings next time and compare, it's not much harder then a normal PF grow, and you can still use your exisiting FC.
Good luck man
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: coda]
#5719887 - 06/06/06 05:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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don't mean to be negative just can't stand messing with that stuff. it gets everywhere.....no offense to magash either seen some great results from that pod
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5719915 - 06/06/06 05:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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A coolmist will not provide the optimal rH required for cakes. It can be used on a timer for FAE but those cycle timers are expensive.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: musher_420]
#5719935 - 06/06/06 05:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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5 dollars any wal mart
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5719961 - 06/06/06 05:53 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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thats also a false statement about rh. ive seen it done. not in green house but in a tub
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5720092 - 06/06/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What would be needed to get happy cakes like this?

The flushes in my dream are about 1/4 the size.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: Tomandjerry58]
#5720098 - 06/06/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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With a humidifier I'd be worried about water dripping onto my grow. Humidifiers put out direct humidity and force it in a single direction on a continous basis (without a timer anyway) which can cause buildup of water on whatever surface it's pointed towards (perhaps dripping on something it shouldn't). Perlite provides ambient humidity which permeates the environment on equal terms. I'd think because of this that perlite is superior in a PMP. Just logic, I've never actually used a humidifier, and did just fine without it.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: no_satori]
#5720150 - 06/06/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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don't know for a fact but i bet you that cake was dunked before the first flush wich would produce a fluch like that.....
to answer this guy question have ur fc higher than ur humidifier that would allow ur hose to be vertical and all excess water will drip back down to the humidifier
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: maharashii]
#5720171 - 06/06/06 06:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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maharashii said: What would be needed to get happy cakes like this?

The flushes in my dream are about 1/4 the size.
Good genetics and good growing conditions.
With multi-spore inoculation it's a lottery of genetics some times you get a great sub-strain and a great grow follows.
Growing conditions you set. Quality of substrate is a huge factor, how you imitate pinning, meaning a temp, CO2 drop and light. Humidity close to 100% perlite and a manual fan have worked just dandy for me. To get good flushes your mycelium needs to have lots of water so it's beneficial to dunk your cakes.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: musher_420]
#5720289 - 06/06/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea man pmp sucks it only yeilded this much for me.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: mikeownow]
#5723427 - 06/07/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hi guys,
see the attached photos that closely mimic the setup I dreamt of. The only thing that differs is that there is actually a 8x10" clear plastic window newly installed in the top of the rubbermaid container to allow a bit more ambient light in when the closet door is open. The temp in the closet was 79F as you can see in one of thep pics. That ranges up to the high 80s during the day (no a/c).
Two cakes on the right are B+ that have been dunked and are on the 2nd flush. I don't expect the flush to produce much more than that.
The 1 on the left is an Ecuadorian cake that has been dunked and rolled, but hasn't flushed yet.
Questions:
1) Would it make sense to move a setup like this to a basement to take advantage of cooler temps? It would be a cool, musty, unfinished basement, however.
2) My air pump moves 38000 cc of air per minute. I suspect that is way more than needed. Could that be contributing to low yields?

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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: maharashii]
#5723920 - 06/07/06 06:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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No, fresh air is not a concern as long as it doesn't affect your humidity levels.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: no_satori]
#5723924 - 06/07/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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no_satori said: With a humidifier I'd be worried about water dripping onto my grow. Humidifiers put out direct humidity and force it in a single direction on a continous basis (without a timer anyway) which can cause buildup of water on whatever surface it's pointed towards (perhaps dripping on something it shouldn't). Perlite provides ambient humidity which permeates the environment on equal terms. I'd think because of this that perlite is superior in a PMP. Just logic, I've never actually used a humidifier, and did just fine without it.
could you possibly have a piece of screen directly in front of the airflow? this would give the stream a bit of resistance so it wont blow so hard on one spot. it also would encourage the larger droplets to condense on it, and they would flow down it to the base of the screen wherever you decided to put it. think of it like a mist filter.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: corporateart]
#5723938 - 06/07/06 06:48 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I am having excellent yields with a pmp set up and many have before. If it is setup right, its the shit point blank.....
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: coda]
#5726350 - 06/08/06 11:16 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ok, well I wanna get it set up right Any suggestions?
Could my airflow (5-10x what is recommended in the faq ) be screwing up my humidity? I don't have a hygrometer
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: maharashii]
#5726368 - 06/08/06 11:22 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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it's definitely possible, cool, dry, air will suck the moisture right out and keep your FC a bit on the arid side.
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: coda]
#5726678 - 06/08/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I shut off the air pump last night and left it off for about 12 hours. Overnight I dreamt that one of the little guys had grown to about 8" long.
Does that indicate the culprit (too much FAE killing humidity)?
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Re: Poor yields from the poor man's pod [Re: maharashii]
#5727030 - 06/08/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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it's possible. Anything is possible. Why not try running a smaller airpump (one that fits within the proper specs) and doing a comparison. To even further the experiment, clone a mushroom that produced poorly and see if it produces better with the new setup.
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