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Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION
    #5719617 - 06/06/06 04:22 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is definitely a hot issue, and what a better forum to get feeds from than the shroomery. I was personally tired of biased information from the DEA and similar entities. So, i did my own research. Ironically i used data from the DEA to support my opinion. I am totally for the legalization of marijuana. After research, i have reason to take such a position. I've found that weed is NOT physically addictive. Although, with some people, it may become psychologically addictive. But, to put that into perspective, any substance or habit can. Just look at OA, and GA. Don't forget the countless services for those addicted to video games, gambling , overeating and such. Also, I have found few health risks. However, weed may create some short term memory anomalies and may hinder one's motivation but, to cause such damage, one must use weed religiously. There is one serious health risk, lung cancer from smoking it. However, this is inherent to any organic substance. Those who use vaporizers avoid the danger completely. Despite this, there have been no documented cases of overdose or death as a result of using marijuana itself. Although, the temporary mental impairment may be hazardous if one operates a motor vehicle under the influence. Meanwhile, alcohol and tobacco contribute to thousands of deaths each year and still, the two remain legal in the US. In terms of economics, I offer these statistics. According to, yes the DEA itself, Americans spend an estimated 64 billion dollars on illegal drugs each year with most of the money used to buy marijuana. The DEA only recovers about 1 billion dollars worth of drugs per year. This is proof that the laws designed to control marijuana are not stopping the sale and use of it. If legalized, it is possible that it may stimulate our economy, considering manufacturers of alcohol and tobacco pull in billions of dollars a year. In addition, we would spend less tax money on cops, lawyers, prisons, court proceedings and such if weed were just legalized. This is the jist of my opinion, Please post your views and findings liberally


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5719644 - 06/06/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This is like asking a bunch of gay people if they support the repeal of sodomy laws.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: Silversoul]
    #5720261 - 06/06/06 07:13 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

U know this is a debate section of the forum, there may be some staunch opponents in this section. Did not need the sarcasm


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #5720310 - 06/06/06 07:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Everything you just said everyone expecily here already knows. It is a damn shame you missed overgrow.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: mikeownow]
    #5748737 - 06/14/06 06:03 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Pot is horrible. It should be illegal forever. They should give the death penalty to dealers. My sister smoked pot and died from excessive brain damage. If you smoke pot too much you could fall into a coma. Sometimes the memory loss is so bad that you forget to breath and die. Pot plants are also radioactive and may cause cancer in people who live near pot fields. The tar that pot smoke deposits into your lungs eventually mutates into a flesh eating disease that eats your organs. Your eyes can also get so blood shot that they may have to be drained of blood by surgery. Oh, it also gives you the munchies.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: MasFina]
    #5773817 - 06/20/06 07:44 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

People wouldn't be killed for being involved in smuggling drugs into the country then not getting money to there cartel in time or anything like that. Only good can come out of legalization of marijuana.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: PSylopHiLe]
    #6637399 - 03/05/07 12:10 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The reason why drugs are still illegal is because the government makes way more money off of illegal drugs rather than if they were legal. we get money from Columbia and Columbia gets money from us and and one of Columbia's main income is cocaine. they make money off of the people who use and sell the illegal drugs when the people get arrested for every inmate and everyday that that inmate is in prison or jail the county that holds the jail or prison makes money. Another reason is that the government doesn't want to admit to being wrong about the actual effects of marijuana to the human mind and body. In all i think marijuana should be legalized its a flower that makes you feel good when u smoke it eat and drink it


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: toolband420]
    #6642776 - 03/06/07 07:12 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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The reason why drugs are still illegal is because the government makes way more money off of illegal drugs rather than if they were legal. we get money from Columbia and Columbia gets money from us and and one of Columbia's main income is cocaine. they make money off of the people who use and sell the illegal drugs when the people get arrested for every inmate and everyday that that inmate is in prison or jail the county that holds the jail or prison makes money.




we loose billions of dollars each year because of drug use and it is a huge waste of money to our government. the only money the government makes off of drugs are DEA seizures, which don't pay for the war on drugs, and taxing of legal drugs. keeping marijuana illegal is economically backwards. oh and our country has given columbia 4 billion in tax payer dollars since 2000 and bush wants to give 4 billion more. columbia gives the united states cocaine which our government spends billions each year to stop coming into our country. cocaine users cost us loads of money for rehab, court fees, prison sentences, and the lives lost in violent drug deals.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: MasFina]
    #6645576 - 03/07/07 02:32 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Pot is horrible. It should be illegal forever. They should give the death penalty to dealers. My sister smoked pot and died from excessive brain damage. If you smoke pot too much you could fall into a coma. Sometimes the memory loss is so bad that you forget to breath and die. Pot plants are also radioactive and may cause cancer in people who live near pot fields. The tar that pot smoke deposits into your lungs eventually mutates into a flesh eating disease that eats your organs. Your eyes can also get so blood shot that they may have to be drained of blood by surgery. Oh, it also gives you the munchies.



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i dont know about any of that, except the munchies.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: Phish_Dude]
    #6649146 - 03/08/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah and somebody who's about to have brain damage will NOT want to keep smoking. It's not like alcohol where when you're near comatose you think the only remedy is another drink. Pot doesn't impair your judgement like other drugs and it's quite easy to tell when you've had enough.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
    #6673635 - 03/15/07 04:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6735153 - 04/01/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

so you are arguing there is some nominal benefit to having our federal government line the pockets of people who are already millionares instead of giving the millions of americans who pay federal income taxes a tax break?

the amount of money spent building new prisons and keeping harmless drug offenders in prison would be in the millions. if we kept the 4 billion to ourselves instead of giving it to columbia we could save 4 billion dollars, that money could once again be given back to the people who earned it through tax breaks. once legalized these drugs would be taxed so the only people paying taxes on them are users, just like alcohol and tobacco are now.

and then just a little personal experience with marijuana. i smoked when i got sick last week and i get better in 3 days. in contrast my gf who did not smoke while sick (same disease, she infected me) was sick for over a week. interesting medicinal uses that marijuana holds....


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
    #6735210 - 04/01/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6735697 - 04/01/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

Your point about aid having strings attached is true but there is still no reason to turn over 4 billion in taxpayer dollars to a country that continues to undermind our multibillion dollar war on drugs while flooding US streets with cocaine illegally which means we can't tax it. then we spend money arresting, prosecuting and then incarcerating cocaine users/dealers. can you see how this massive waste of money is avoidable?

end the war on drugs, stop aid to columbia(until cocaine is legalized in the U.S.), pardon nonviolent offenders, legalize drugs (has a whole host of benefits over leaving them illegal). these are the steps we need to take but for some crazy reason we don't.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
    #6736240 - 04/01/07 08:49 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6736626 - 04/01/07 11:01 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

You're making good points but you tend to overexagerate many of them.

The upper class of the U.S. has very little, if any, interest in building prisons or keeping drugs illegal. Those that do would be the owners of construction companies, that are also in the top 5%-10% of the U.S. Which i'm going to say is probably somewhere in the range of 100-1000 people. Hardly a dominating section of society, not to mention only a small fraction of them hold any sort of office, appointed or elected. Not to mention prisons aren't exactly being built all over this country like new homes are. keeping drugs illegal to support the wealthiest 5-10%? Please give some sort of warrant to this claim. I doubt you can prove that drug legalization would effect the wealth/power of the wealthiest 5-10%. Yeah maybe big tobacco might get hurt but seriously how many tobacco/alcohol millionars/billionares are there? The answer is, not that many. Also the tobacco companies are poised to make even more money off marijuana if it was ever legalized. Besides most of the time they are fighting tooth and nail to keep tobacco legal as well as being busy paying of lawsuits.

As far as pharmicutical companies are concerned yeah they prey on us but we still buy their shit. It is our fault. They are able to, through the stock market, gain millions (if not billions) in investments for drugs that range from cures to cancer all the way to producing asprin. The second way they make money is selling their drugs to us for profit. It isn't like they steal billions from the U.S. budget each year like the "war on drugs". Furthermore we live in a capitalist economy and the reason they keep making drugs is because we keep demanding healthier lives and cures for our minor ailments and we get drugs like viagra and cures for "restless leg syndrome". Yeah they controll parts of the government, mainly positions in the FDA so their drugs get approved faster. However the positions they do hold are far from controlling society. Furthermore pharm companies do so much more good than harm it is silly to say they are any real problem to begin with.

Quoting orwell does your argument more harm than good for a few reasons. 1. If our government opperates based on some perverted Orwelling quote why didn't the first gulf war last longer than a month? why aren't still at war with panama? why did the vietnam war end? why did the korean war end? 2. Yes we are at war a lot but it isn't to keep the ruling class in power, the ruling class is who we elect. Think about it. You can only be elected to president for 8 years if you're lucky. That hardly sustains your place at the top. Not to mention Bush was already a multi-millionare before becoming president. Starting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan had nothing to do with keeping his privledged position. 3. What privledged positions was Regan protecting by starting the war on drugs? It was more accurately spurred by an upsurge in cocaine and other narcotic use among teens in the U.S. The american people saw this as a problem as well. I think we can all agree drug abuse is a problem, legal or not. As i've already argued the war on drugs was a bad idea and other avenues should be persued to solve the U.S. drug problems.

The inner city problem is much deeper than drugs being illegal and it starts with the unequal distribution of education funds etc but that is another thread. we saw the same kind of crime increase during prohibition and the solution to drug related violence is the same in this case. I think we can agree here.

Your entire last point lost me completely. Are you saying that because people are rich they are evil and are the cause of war, death, terrorism etc? Bill gates, and oprah are hardly violators of human rights and have nothing to do with how our government opperates. Hell you can go down forbes top 100 and i bet you would be hard pressed to find 5 of them who have anything to do with our government. the reason we have the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror" is because a great deal of the U.S. population is conservative in their political and personal views and they feel threatened by drug users and terrorism. While much of their fear is placed in them by the government they still have access, especially due to the internet, to all the reality they can get their hands on. If they took the time to research drugs by going to erowid or any number of websites they could find the truth about drugs. The only conspiracy controlling our lives is the one you thought up in your head.


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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: SlashOZ]
    #6738015 - 04/02/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6738430 - 04/02/07 02:10 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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As for building prisons & the accompanying profits... you're right that it's only a small minority who benefit from this, but one such entity is a company called Halliburton, & it is their subsidiaries who get subcontracted to build them... think they have any influence in D.C.? Know any former high-ranking members of that company in influential position in the U.S. government?




1. the building of prisons and the "war on drugs" started before Halliburton had the big dick in powah.
2. Halliburton has fingers in the government but they don't stop legislation from being introduced to congress.
3. The lack of legislation to repeal the "war on drugs" is an issue with who is in office and their stance in opposition to the use of certain drugs not the fact that Halliburton has subsidiaries that build prisons.

The tremendous potential of the cannabis plant, in so many wide-ranging areas, threatens many entrenched corporate interests (the pharmaceutical company being one of them).

1. Pharm companies would benefit from the legalization of cannabis, its cheap to grow and they can sell it at a profit very easily to cancer patients etc.
2. The timber and cotton/fabric industries fear the legalization of cannabis because its cheaper to produce both paper and clothing fabric per acre of cannabis that it is with trees/grass for paper and cotton for fabric.

I don't deny that the consumer is partly to blame for swallowing whatever pill the pharmaceuticals companies tell them to. However, I'm stating that if the U.S. government really had the best interests of the people at heart (as they claim to do with the "War on Drugs"), then they would go after these drug pushers (Pfizer, Merck, Eli Lily, etc.) with the same determination as Juan, Pablo, & Carlos; not be in bed with them as they currently are.

1. What harms are pharm companies producing on the U.S. public?

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I don't know if 60 Minutes does a rebroadcast of their Sunday show, but just last night they had an excellent piece on this very subject that would counter that statement very well. The commentary from two (very conservative) Republican House members who voted against the bill (wrote entirely by the pharma companies) was very revealing.




1. I did not see last nights 60 Minutes, I was watching the MSNBC thing on Muslims in the UK.
2. Please enumerate the harms this bill causes in the interest of furthering debate on this point.

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Furthermore pharm companies do so much more good than harm...

That is definitely a debatable statement.




1. For the purpose of this debate please provide some.

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If you recall from 1984, the government in the book was not always at war with the same "enemy", but rather with some "enemy", & that has certainly long been the case with the U.S. government. You can't have war profiteering without having a war, it doesn't of what region(s) of the globe it's being waged in.




1. I can give you reasons for each of the wars i brought up. Korea, threat of communism (the goal of communism was to spread throughout the entire world through violent revolution). Same with Vietnam. The fear of the spread of cummunism also led to our government assasinating plenty of left leaning central american elected presidents, same with Africa. The first gulf war was to aid our ally Kuwait after they were invaded by Iraq.

Yes, one individual can only be the figurehead of this government for 8 years, but that makes no difference to those who are the real power behind this system. There's is no significant difference on fundamental issues between establishment Democrats or Republicans. Were things really that different under Clinton from what they are now?

1. The issues you seem to be refering to go back to keeping our economy rolling along. I believe that everyone wants the U.S. economy to do well.

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Did not U.S. taxpayers provides countless billions in military & economic aid to the apartheid government of Israel?




1. Clinton worked incredibly hard on brokering a middle east peace deal.
2. Bush has done all he can to start a war.
3. I see a very fundamental difference in the parties approach to the middle east.


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Did not the prison population keep increasing with a majority incarcerated being nonviolent drug offenders? Did not police forces & domestic surveillance programs continue to expand?
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1. Conceded, but that has nothing to do with which party is in power if you have an unjust "war on drugs" in place which keeps putting nonviolent offenders behind bars.
2. Which part of the american populace wants security on the streets? The american people as a whole, we want more police so we feel safe and our kids are safe to walk the streets alone. Totally a natural cause and effect in a democratic country.
3. The root cause of this increase in surveillence and police numbers is because we allow teenagers to turn to crime to support themselves and our society tacitly accepts violence as the norm.
4. This problem can be further traced back to parenting then to parents education...

Did not the U.S. armed forces use lethal force to further U.S. economic interests under the guise of "humanitarian intervention" (e.g. Iraq, the Balkans, Somalia, Haiti).

1. What economic interests did we have in the Balkans?
2. We've been fucking with Somalia and Haiti much longer than free trade has been around.
3. I've already adressed Iraq.

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Did not U.S. (& other) multi-national corporations keeping propping up (& profiting enormously from) despotic authoritarian puppet regimes around the world?




1. I've already adressed this. Most of those despotic authoritarian regimes were put in place during the cold war to stop the spread of socialism/communism.
2. These countries, when they do hold elections, tend to elect socialist leaders, Venezuala comes to mind.
3. Many democrates support an idea called fair trade. The idea is to further level the international economic playing field which current american policies have a huge tilt in our favor, i'm thinking farm subsidies.
4. 3rd world economic strife is further caused by ethnic minorities dominating local economies. For example the ethnic Chinese who move from china and start dominating south east asian countries' economies. Also ethnic Lebonese dominating african diamond trade. Read Amy Chua's book World on Fire for more on this subject.

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Holding elections between two candidates who are essentially the same fundamentally only serves to give people the illusion of democracy while leaving the existing structure of society unchanged for those who run it.




1. What structure of society are we talking about changing, the legality of certain drugs.
2. Niether political party, as with many normal americans agree with cannabis, cocaine, heroin, mushrooms, lsd etc being illegal because of the old and very wrong studies that were conducted in the 50s and 60s and are still pushed as fact.
3. The truth about these very drugs can be found on this website, if there were some conspiracy to really stop these drugs these site would already be shut down.
4. The parties agree on many of the same issues because these issues are actually in the best interest of the american people.
5. The parties also fall in line with corprate interests because of current lobbying laws. We as the public just don't give a shit enough to vote the (pardon my language) intern fuckers who accept these bribes out of office, or push our legislators to reform lobbying laws. But hey we vote for them so we get what we put into power.

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"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate." - Noam Chomsky




1. Noam is a smart guy and his reasoning here seems to be pretty good.
2. Debate isn't limited in the United States, show me the law saying i can't debate the merrits placing huge tarriffs on MNCs. I'm sure if i complain enough about MNCs and get enough people to complain with me i'll get change to happen.
3. The key is not just starting a movement or getting numbers. It is sustaining the movement at a capacity large enough for legislators to take notice. Trust me if they don't have constituent support because they don't support a popular issue/opinion they won't get elected, no matter how much money they throw into the campaign.

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They have everything to do with expanding the presence & influence of the U.S. empire in the Middle East & Southwest Asia, & the power that comes from controlling vast natural gas resources in these regions.




1. Isn't that the purpose of the puppet government of Saudi Arabia, our continued support of Isreal, Kuwait, UAE, signing of the nuclear treaty with India, supporting Pakistan, IMF loans, World Bank loans.

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The so called "War on Drugs" & the entire history of prohibiting certain inebriates goes back quite a bit further than Reagan.




1. Reagan initiated the "war on drugs"
2. Drug prohibition does go back further but there was not "war on drugs" until the 1980s.
3. Who is the war on drugs supporting? [sarcasm]The american people who are afraid of little jimmy doing crack and robbing a store because anyone who does drugs is violent[/sarcasm]. We don't like drug abusers, the government acts on that and we get the "war on drugs". it is a simple causal sequence
4. Solution? spread the truth by educating people about the facts instead of feeding them lies. It is gonna have to be done on a personal. Besides states controll curriculum in schools, ie health classes, we can lobby them much easier to tell the truth instead of lies.

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"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." - Benjamin Disraeli, former Prime Minister of Great Britain

Was he also a conspiracy theorist?




1. No he isn't.
2. What context is this quote from? I can't infer anything from it except possibly the workings of government aren't cut and dry like many people believe it to be.

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As for the rich having no connection to war, human rights violations, & environmental destruction... as well as having no connection/influence within the U.S. government.

From Forbes list of the 400 richest Americans...

Charles G. Koch From Wikipedia: {In 1989, the US Senate Committee on Investigations stated, "Koch Oil, a subsidiary of Koch Industries, is the most dramatic example of an oil company stealing by deliberate mismeasurement and fraudulent reporting." (Palast p.150) During the Clinton administration, Koch was charged with 315 acts of pollution, especially at its Pine Bend Refinery facility in Rosemount, Minnesota. Koch Industries denied the allegations, but the cases were settled in January 2000 for $35 million in fines.

In another instance, Koch was charged with 97 counts of covering up evidence in the case of a benzene spill in Corpus Christi, Texas releasing 91 metric tons of benzene, a known carcinogen. The government sought fines as high as $350 million. Four of its employees were also charged with criminal offenses in the case, facing up to 35 years in prison. During this time, Koch donated $800,000 to the Bush election fund and other Republican candidates. In 2000, the Justice Department reduced the number of counts from 97 to 11 to nine to seven. Just before the case was to go to trial, the Justice Department dropped the remaining seven counts and settled the case for $20 million. Koch pled guilty to one count of concealing evidence, which they had self-reported in 1996, and the criminal charges against the employees were dropped. George W. Bush's sister, Doro Bush Koch, is married to one Bobby Koch. (Center for Public Integrity -- Williams et al., July 2004)}

Philip H Knight How do you think Nike was able to make so much money on its apparel; to have such a discrepancy between production costs & retail values? Think it exists completely independent of General Suharto's 30 years of authoritarian rule, purges that killed millions, & genocide in East Timor (arms kindly provided by U.S. taxpayers)?

Rupert Murdoch Fox News... enough said.

Riley P Bechtel An integral part of the military-industrial complex very well connected to the hierarchy of the U.S. government (& many others as well, including the Saudi Royal Family). Whether attempting to steal water from the poor in Bolivia, receiving generous handout from the U.S. military to profit from the suffering of others, or assisting the CIA in overthrowing popular & democratically elected foreign governments not conducive to the economic interests of U.S. corporations, there isn't much Bechtel Corporation won't do to increase its wealth & power.




1. The first guy can grease wheels, that can be fixed through campaign finance reform, we just have to yell and scream enough.
2. So nike's founder is evil and the cause of the genocide in east timor?
3. He owns a media outlet that reaches across the country, yeah he's gonna be rich, what about ted turner for the dems??? it balances out on the media side of things.
4. An evil guy running an evil corporation? So this guy is responsible for us invading Iraq and Afghanistan??? I highly doubt that.


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"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
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Re: Should they legalize weed? Post your OPINION [Re: EntheogenicPeace]
    #6740467 - 04/02/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 9 months ago)

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Of course, but I'm pointing out that they are the ones who currently gain tremendously from it, while it has disastrous consequences for the overwhelming majority of the U.S. population. It continues to occur as such because a majority of the U.S. people don't really hold power (& aren't very well educated either) like they are supposed to in theory, but rather large, moneyed interests do (& arguably have since the very inception of America as a nation-state).




1. your arguement doesn't take into account that we elect our officials and we just choose the corrupt ones mostly off of name recognition or the artificial distinction of democrate vs. republican. there are libratarians on the ballot, we just choose not to vote for them. same thing when a party chooses its candidate, members of that party choose who gets the nomination. Elections can be swayed by adds etc but we are the ones voting for these corrupt assholes freely because we want to.

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Yes, but you can't get to the office of presidency if you hold views in opposition to the "War on Drugs". The same goes for U.S. imperialism, corporate exploitation around the world, aid to Israel, etc. In a democracy (such as Venezuela) anyone can become president (including the son of a dirt-poor peasant farmer of mixed indigenous, Spanish, & African blood). In a plutocracy (such as the U.S.), however, to be president you have to be a multi-millionaire, & have connections with even wealthier people in influential political/economic positions. This excludes 99.99% of the population. Further, if the establishment feels a particular candidate to be a threat to their interests (whether a libertarian Republican like Ron Paul of Texas or a progressive Democrat like Dennis Kucinich of Ohio), there is no way that person will get they nomination of either one of the war parties.




1. See my above.
2. As far as not supporting imperialism etc, most americans support those grevious acts out of patriotism.
3. A mindset change on these issues is occuring, albeit slowly.

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Do you know anyone who, if cannabis were legal to cultivate, wouldn't either grow it themselves or get it for free (or for a very small price) from friends & family? I don't. It would not be an easy industry to monopolize, to say the least. Further, they absolutely would not benefit financially considering how much they make from anti-depressants like Paxil, Lexapro, Zoloft, etc. Who would take this shit when they could have something that's ten time more effective & ten time cheaper (i.e. marijuana)?




1. It wouldn't be monopolized.
2. People want the hydroponic shit.
3. It would be heavily regulated if legalized, see tobacco and alcohol.
4. My gf suffers from depression, Zoloft helps a hell of a lot more than smoking weed does, trust me.

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Selling them drugs they don't need, & in some cases that are very dangerous. Giving speed (methylphenidate & dextroamphetamine) to millions of children who absolutely don't need it & predisposing them to an increased chance of use/addiction to illicit stimulants when they are older is not only dangerous, it's criminal; and they should be prosecuted as such.

Furthermore, they profit by perpetuating the myth that for every minor ailment & discomfort taking a pill is the solution when in reality it only serves the purpose of getting one to take them regularly & continue lining their pockets. The way to be healthy is to eat nutritious, natural food & have an active lifestyle, not pop pills left & right; & not put the synthetic junk, preservatives, & poisons into your body that corporations pass off as food to maximize their profits. Almost all health problem in the U.S. are a result of a severe lack of one or both of the forementioned. Taking a pill is not a remedy; it only deludes people into thinking their problems can be taken care of without a fundamental lifestyle change & a conscientious effort to avoid what's making them ill in the first place. This is also true for depression. Taking SSRIs is not the way to alleviate depression. Doing things that you enjoy & that bring benefit to yourself & others (like cultivating mushrooms ) is the way to avoid being depressed, not taking pills that possibly alter your brain's long-term chemistry (or at the very least are ineffective).




1. All of what you said is basically common knowledge to me and my friends. I don't know about you and your area though.
2. Pretty much all health studies done support what you are saying.
3. People knowing the facts still choose to buy pharm drugs because in nearly every case they find some sort of improvement to their life, if they don't they just stop taking the drugs.

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The overwhelming majority of democratically elected and/or popular leaders the U.S. was responsible for assassinating were not communists; the omnipresent threat of 'communism' (much like the omnipresent threat of 'terrorists' today) is simply a facade to carry out an economically motivated agenda.




1. [sarcasm]Yeah cuz 9/11 never happened or was a hoax, and it was all just ploy to line the pockets of halliburton. [/sarcasm]
2. No they weren't commies but they were left leaning leaders or leaders that held a sympathetic view towards the USSR and hostile view towards the USA/west.

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No, the cause of genocide in East Timor was the U.S. government, at the behest of the U.S. business interests, sustaining Suharto's dictatorship in order to create & maintain a climate suitable to corporate exploitation in Indonesia. Nike was one of many companies utilized this source of slave labor.




1. Suharto's challengers were left leaning/socialist supporters who if in power would have redistributed land and wealth and nationalized the economy.
2. The impact of that is simply, extreme economic downturn, see any country that turned socialist(the exception being China 40 years after the fact). An economy as limited as Indonesia's would have not stood a snowballs chance in hell being socialist. They lack the infrastructure, manpower, capital, and industry to even be close to pulling it off.
3. none of that justifies genocide.
4. Dems are calling for fair trade that would put an end to sweatshops, hopefully.


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"Life sucks but in this really beautiful way" - Axl Rose
"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)


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