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A Possible Solution to Decriminalizing Drugs in America
    #5719428 - 06/06/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Hey I just got an idea. Maybe a great way to protest the drug laws, and to show the general public and the government how many people are drug users, there should be a mass organized surrender to the authorities. Have millions of people all across the country turn themselves in with drugs in hand. They couldn't possibly deal with this load of people. It would be similar to the immigration situation with Mexico. With so many of them it's impossible to put them all in jail or deport them. They are part of the countries economy. Imagine if doctors and lawyers and policemen were turning themselves in for doing drugs all over. This might change some people's minds. Also many of the politicians family members. Like Dick Cheney's daughter being lesbian certainly must have changed his views on homosexual marriage laws. Imagine the detrimental effect this would have to the economy if everyone was arrested.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5719495 - 06/06/06 03:54 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

It would be great if people would actually do it. Sad part is most of them would probably be too high and miss the date. Not to mention, how would you reach everyone? The tv would be off limits and most crackheads on street corners don't have the net.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5719557 - 06/06/06 04:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I would reach them by any means possible. That includes mass media. Let the government know it's going to happen. Let the whole thing build up for a year or so and have a proposed date that it will go down. The issue needs to be out in the open so that it can be discussed and the arguments can be heard. There could be an official website with a ticker that indicates how many people are willing to do it. The thing is, if people believe that it will work and that they won't be imprisoned than many people could be persuaded to do it. Also, just think of all the family members that are not drug users and how it would affect them if their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters etc were facing long term imprisonment. Don't you think they would want to become politically active on the matter. Perhaps if the government were aware that this were going to happen, they would begin changing the laws before anyone actually had to stick their neck out so that the chaos could be avoided.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5721669 - 06/07/06 01:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

This idea only works if you can get tons of people in on it though. The way to do that is to convince them that they won't go to jail. If in all the major cities, all the drug users turned themselves in there would not be enough room in the jails to hold them all. But besides that, the burden on the government would be way to great to process all of the cases. The people in America that are against drug use and their legalization would have to accept the fact that their are so many people in America that use drugs that it will not be possible for drugs to remain illegal. People will finally understand that it is a personal choice and that PEOPLE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO THEMSELVES AS LONG AS IT DOES NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT ANYONE OR ANYTHING ELSE. It's called FREEDOM and this country is supposed to care about that.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5721848 - 06/07/06 02:37 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Count me in.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: niteowl]
    #5722027 - 06/07/06 05:40 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

yeah dude

for that shit i would visit USA :smile:

but on the other hand, I am glad glad glad i leave where i live

GOD BLESS AMERICANS BECAUSE THEY NEED THAT:)

i can't imagine a cop bothering me if i would drink a beer in public or something like that........

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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: majlo]
    #5722045 - 06/07/06 05:56 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Mass Exodus to Amsterdam or other more open minded countries.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5744852 - 06/13/06 03:39 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

get a celebrity to endorse it and we're off.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #5745294 - 06/13/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I saw this idea happen at overgrow.com, R.I.P., a couple years back. Too many ppl are either fearful it wouldn't work therefore wouldn't actually risk losing everything to goto jail. I don't mean to be paranoid either but what about the big 'concentration' camps halliburton has set up for illegals huh? There's no illegals in them yet, plenty of room and little policy change, us heads become like Jews in 1940's Germany. Sorry my fiancees mother is completely crazy and puts awful ideas in my head... I personally wouldn't worry about losing everything I'm just telling you most people are too in touch with their so called 'reality'.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: CosmicFunGuy]
    #5746911 - 06/13/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

americans are too attached to their plastic house/car/job/wife/and kids consumerist lifestyle to stand up against any wrong doings constantly being caried about by the government. the people are fed fear daily to keep their true values suppressed. is is obvious that the spirits of 300,000,000 human beings cannot be locked in a cage forever..

so when then the beast finally awakes and breaks out.

the moneymen will know exactly what to do.

and this is where detention camps come into the picture.

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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: AlteredAgain]
    #5747224 - 06/13/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Damn, that's scary shit. Thanks for finding that. I would still do it even if I was gonna get locked up, but I'm sure not many others would. If you gotta go to jail to fight for freedom then so be it. I wish more Americans were willing to stand up for their rights and get organized. I think this issue will not be solved by pleas for legislation. There has to be some kind of large scale demonstration.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5748529 - 06/14/06 03:44 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The more they lock up the more it will enrage. If they set martial law into action and people start disappearing, there will be way more people rioting than they can hope to contain in their "camps". And if they start disposing of people to make room for more all hell will break loose once the masses get wind of it.

It almost seems like some fictional story in a scary movie or something. But those camps aren't fictional and those executive orders aren't either. I just pray it never comes down to that in my lifetime.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5755015 - 06/15/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I don't know, the only types of people that have the bravery to riot would be minorities.

Maybe if upper/middle class white people had their family members disappear and then a riot happened nearby them, maybe then they would join though.

But how can you riot when we have all this wonderful technology? Microwave beams....... chemical weapons which are illegal for us to devleop, but we do it anyway.... all sorts of non-lethal automatic tazers?

The Germans didn't riot.....

anyway I think this is a great idea though. What you would need to do is go into a big city and start a movement with all the drug users, getting them to commit to this, then you can all write the media and say "we have x amount of people that are going to turn themselves in for drugs"
and the media will air it.

then other people will start other branches.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: leery11]
    #5755356 - 06/15/06 09:29 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Why dont we just keep doin what were doin and not get cought :laugh: besides no one cares about mushrooms. THERE AWSOME even cops know that


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: leery11]
    #5756147 - 06/16/06 02:19 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Enforce martial law and it will be horrible for business. That's when everyone will get pissed. Which if that link about those prisons is accurate, which it appears to be, then those camps are to enforce martial law.

It will just take that one major benchmark for the masses to see tyranny and when that comes all hell will break loose. One good instance of mass murder would do it. Not to mention the "upper-middle class" are becoming extinct anyway. The majority are much closer to the poverty line and below.

But I too agree this is a good idea if it could be organized, which would but a monumental task, to say the least.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: RosettaStoned]
    #5760433 - 06/17/06 12:01 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes it would be, but where better to start than right here on the shroomery?


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5762483 - 06/17/06 11:40 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Walk straight into Oinktown with drugs in hand?

You go first.

Even if ten percent of the population went to prison the super rich would find a way to make a profit out of it. Prisons are already for profit. It would just mean more free slave labor for the billionaires. I wish like hell even just weed could be decriminalized but it's hopeless. The smart thing to do is to get the fuck out of America.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: TheFakeSunRa]
    #5766317 - 06/19/06 12:29 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Send the idea to a producer who is willing to turn it into a movie, kind of like a Fahrenheit (sp?) 911- V for Vendetta cross. It would definately catch the attention of the people (Controversial movies always grab media attention) plus it's more feasible than persuading masses of people to go to jail with you...
... in a perfect world the masses would be willing to cooperate, but in a perfect world all drugs would be legal soooooo.. you're asking too much of our imperfect society. 

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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: Parabolalala]
    #5770817 - 06/20/06 12:27 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Helluva good idea. A documentary that travels the US talking to people about legalizing drugs and seeing how many people would be willing to do my idea. It would give all the best statistics and arguments for legalizing. That would be the best way possible to spread my idea and also change people's minds about the issue. I really might just do that.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5776007 - 06/21/06 10:32 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I came up with an idea, too. Perhaps we could implement a system that allows people to earn "drug credits" for hours of community service. Then, for every credit they have, they can purchase a dose of drugs at a liquor/drug store. If you perform community service, the priviledge of drug consumption is bestowed upon you. I never really believed in the right to drop out of society for the sake of crack, so maybe EARNING the right to use drugs can change people's minds about the more detrimental effects. Plus, it may have an effect on crime since money alone won't let people buy drugs, and that homeless person won't have to rob people for his crack money.

I'm sure this would be very difficult, if not impossible, to apply to the U.S., but I just thought it was a step in the right direction toward changing people's attitudes towards drugs. Also, if people become addicted, they will have to service the community and improve the quality of life for everyone if they REALLY want that fix. Could a system such as this one work?


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: IamHungry]
    #5776798 - 06/21/06 02:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, I like that idea, but my views have changed since I wrote this. After a long discussion with someone I know, I decided that the "hard drugs" that completely pleasure oriented, highly addictive, and always detrimental to a person's health should remain illegal. These are crack, cocaine, herion, opiates, meth, pcp etc. However, I think that treatment facilities should be set up in which a person can go and get these drugs for free, but they must be slowly weened off of them and given therapy as well. The thing would be for them to have to stay at the facility for the duration of treatment. As far as marijuana, I say legalize it everywhere. My friend did point out something about psychedelics though and I think they have a point. Many people should not use psychedelics, and some places would become very unsafe if there were widespread psychedelic use there (places with a lot of crime). So I think that the federal government should be nuetral on psychedelics, and that their legality should be determined on a local level based on the crime rate of that area. However, if you lived in an area where they were illegal, you could obtain a prescription for them if you can prove that you are going to use them responsibly for personal growth. Also, a persons criminal history should be investigated before giving them a psychedelics prescription. I came to this conclusion based on the analogy of gun control. If you allow concealed weapons in a crime ridden area then chances are there will be more shootings. However, if you allow them in a small town with hardly any crime it will probably not make a difference. This scenario is definitely a compromise for me, because I believe in having personal freedom. But I think that you have to consider the health of society as well and realize that people's addictive personalities and the crime rate are serious considerations that must be addressed. Let me know what you think.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5784096 - 06/23/06 02:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

That's a great idea but keep in mind that drug-related charges make up the crime rate, so you would have to base psycedelic legality on something else--- a crime statistic that neglects drug charges (I don't know what it's called)

Keeping "harder drugs" illegal does not solve the problem of drug abuse. "Remember prohibition-- it still doesn't work!" Justifying a drug illegal just because it is purely recreational and detrimental to one's health is both wrong and unconstitutional, not to mention hypocritical... hypocritical because that is the reason marijuana is illegal (even though MJ isn't really bad at all for your health)


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: Parabolalala]
    #5785309 - 06/23/06 10:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

you are right. That was my original argument, I just think that America can't handle all drugs being legal. Maybe if it started this way and it went ok then they could legalize all drugs. It really does not take care of the drug crime problem though. There will still be big drug lords, so the choice is either legalize them all and having hard drugs more available to children and irresponsible adults or make a compromise like I said. But as an initial step I think my last post would be the way to go. Maybe marijuana would be the gateway legalization to everything else.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: MasFina]
    #5805630 - 06/30/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I like this idea. I think one of the easier ways to implement it would to of course start with the cannabis. Being as somewhere along the line some official stoner holiday was made out of April 20th, I say we set the date there. Rally all the cannabis users together on that day to demonstrate and voice their complaints. March on your state capital. As far as doing so with a joint in hand I can't really support that. For the reason that many states don't have to do anything more than confiscate it and write you a ticket. All this would do is generate a supply for the hypocritical cops and generate a large source of revenue.

I think the important thing is to just get the message across that there are more of us than they care to admit. Plus this would help to reduce peoples concerns about legal issues being as they would just be flexing their first amendment muscles.

I think the message could be gotten across benignly enough. I forget who the group was that funded the billboards in Denver (and am currently to lazy to find out) about legalization there, but I am sure that they or similar groups would be willing to put up billboards to the effect of April 20th join us in (insert your state capital here).

Just my thoughts on a possible solution.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: nugjug]
    #5833984 - 07/08/06 12:47 AM (17 years, 6 months ago)

We should follow Holland's example. Hard drugs and soft drugs. Help for the hard stuff and the soft is un-prosecuted. But we go a step further and legalize them all starting with soft drugs. Then...

Drug licensing. Remember the Marijuana stamp? Only this time it won't be a catch 22. A license to grow/produce, and a license to sell. Cost would vary according to permit, drug, and amount you intend to process. (e.g. an ounce for personal use or kilos for sale.)

When this proves to be economical, we consider hard drugs. A license would include certification in each substance for production of a clean, safe, contaminant free drug. Perhaps they should only be available though official channels, but they should be available to those who need them. There would still be heavy restrictions, but people wouldn't go to prison for indulging any substance.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: shymanta]
    #5837038 - 07/08/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

thatd be cool if we dressed up as smart old people who hate drugs. and got a job at the DEA. and slowly climbed the company ladder kissing ass, hating drugs. until we had power to fire the people.

then fire all the bastards and legalize all drugs.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: kora]
    #5838637 - 07/09/06 12:19 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Try getting a heroine or a crack addict off his ass to work! I've got a buddy hooked on H and he can barely drag his ass out of bed. Sweats, chills, you name it. That shit makes you sick.

I do think the original idea is a great one. It would make a great website/discussion to be continued. A documentary is an equally good idea. I'm surprised no one has done one yet. Probably too busy smoking up or tripping? That may be the biggest downfall to drug use. Lethargy. But, I'm sure there are liberal non-drug user film makers (or functional drug users) that would entertain the idea. Perhaps passionately even.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: 76degrees]
    #5839266 - 07/09/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

or pretend to be a dare teacher, send the imposters out to every school asking to do a presentation. and teal the kids the real facts before the teachers can do shit about it. muahahaa.


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: kora]
    #5951651 - 08/10/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

we need to subvert the word "drug"

like for instance, you don't say you want "negro" rights... or N word rights... you say you want "African-American" rights, because African-American is a new word that doesn't have hate attached to it.

well drugs is like the N word and cannot be thought of in a good way.

entheogen is a word most people have never heard and can be used in replace.

so if you say "drugs should be legalized" people are conditioned to go whatever ....

but if you say "I really think entheogens should be legalized because they are so helpful for humanity and psychologists" people will be curious and ask what you mean.

then you don't mention LSD for a while, you talk about obscure drugs they've never heard of before, and gradually tie it into LSD... because I've found people are insanely prejucided about LSD more than anything at all

even though from reading the shroomery it sounds like mushrooms give you a lot harder of a trip to handle than acid does, all the people i know in real life think the opposite.

i think people are so prejudiced that if you walked up to someone and said "Have you ever heard of Lysergic acid diethylamide ? It's a fantastic chemical currently showing research in relatoin to conscoiusness and the treatment of cluster headaches......" and you gave them a spiel about what LSD does, they'd be like "wow that is awesome"

but that's because they wouldn't know you were talking about LSD!
if you replaced Lysergic acid diethylamide with LSD or "acid" they wouldn't give you the time of day.


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....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human......
Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (08/10/06 07:09 PM)


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Re: A Possible Solution for the Decriminalization of Drugs in America [Re: leery11]
    #5952768 - 08/11/06 12:38 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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even though from reading the shroomery it sounds like mushrooms give you a lot harder of a trip to handle than acid does, all the people i know in real life think the opposite.




I have noticed most people I have talked to hands down would tell you that LSD gives you a much harder trip than shrooms.


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